Hobie 16's and 20's NA's

Any reports from the site??

I know the event is up at: [url=http://www.hobienorthamericans.com/[/url]

If you go to the webcam link, you can see boats on the water and weather info.

Is there a link to results? If there is I can't find it!

Daily Race Updates
Nothing posted yet.

Go Roger and Christina!!!

Results

Day 2 results and pics are up.
It would have been great to see all the guys from the Pan Am games there to see who could give Worrall a run.
H16 North Americans

Gorgeous photos. I still think the H-16 is one of the prettiest boats ever built.

Any news from the water?? I'll be calling to see who won in a couple of hours, but... waiting till then!!!

Time to start planning for next year.
2008 Hobie 16 Open, Youth, Women and 14 Open.
Clear Lake Iowa
September 5-12
Hobie 16 Women, Youth and 14 Open will be Sept 5,6 and 7.
Hobie 16 Open will be Sept 8-12.

What a great event!

We had varying conditions from 6kts and flat water to 23kts and brutal short chop. Div 3 really put on a good show for this one. And the sailing was second to none. Here's a short view of what I saw all week:
The Aussie team of Aaron Worrall and Brad Wilson
Puttin the smack down!
(Fiji)

Followed by Armando and Rodrigo (Mex)
Thomas and Fortuna (Hobie Team, Smoke #4)
and Team Puerto Rico (Green Sails)


Armando and Rodrigo flipped at A mark and lost a rudder pin. Aaron and Brad asked the race committee to hold the next race until they fixed the boat. Very Cool!!

Armando and Rodrigo showing us how it's done:


PU set some awesome courses, coupled with the conditions in the bay proved to be challenging the racers.



The 20's were just as exciting.
The young punks Jake and Vinnie had their moments and are fun to watch when they're doing trapeze head stands.


The Champs Jamie Livingston and Brian Lambert
[img]http://www.hobienorthamericans.com/photo/8.2/images/IMG_5002.jpg[/img]

Gordo, with mad skill and big cojones port tacked the fleet , first to A, first to gate, first to finish! Nice Gordo! (Sail 51)
[img]http://www.hobienorthamericans.com/photo/8.2/images/IMG_5045.jpg[/img]

Here's how it ended up... North American Results

Fun was had by all!
Photos by Jerry Veleske

Jeremy, Thanks for the GREAT pics! Way to go Armando! Is that my friend from SoCal. Gordo? Happy to see him kickin butt! Love this stuff!

When Gordo pulled that maneuver off, the whole fleet was hootin and hollerin for him. The race committee and chase boats down course were all cheering...it was pretty cool. The absolute domination (a few times by one leg, often by a tack!) of the aussies at this event being upset by this guy from Las Vegas was pretty cool to watch.
The competition was fierce in the 16 fleet. Aussies, Puerto ricans, Noriega, Thomas, Modderman, not to mention the local heavyweights Hess and Montegue. And a slew of other top notch sailors. I love chase boatin' at events like this. It's a front row seat to world class sailing.


It's all fun and games!

I love these guys!

Nice photo, Jeremy!

Now that's guts, Gordo!

Nice Matt. I didn't know Gordo's legendary race was captured. All of these photos were taken by Jerry Veleske who bobbed around on a chase boat all week.
I hadn't seen the first photo either. Between pulling anchors and plucking people out of the water we like to 'critique' the sailors. We have a good time.

By the way that guy Joel to my left, was the superstar of racecourse rescues. He jumped in the water probably 10 times over the course of the week to help right boats, and make sure people were OK. It takes volunteers like this to make a regatta run smoothly.

Those two photos were taken by Teri McKenna. She's got several hundred posted on the event site.

And the black/grey sails are fitting! What a start!

He was clean?...Looks like he had to have been OCS.

I'll say !

How can Gordo be so far in front of the pack at this level of racing; its was the NATIONALS right ?

If those boats at the port end of the line had hit the line right on time and at speed then they would have nailed any port tacker cold.

I too find it very hard to believe he was not OCS.

Wouter

We had just sneakily skewed the line before the sequence and he got it. There was also a 2kt current coming straight down course, which made it hard to hit the line right. He was so clean, It was beautiful. I was sitting behind the pin boat watching for over earlies and he skimmed my motor made it through a hole, got a lift and was gone! There was some good racing out there! Teri Mckenna is an awesome photogropher.

The lines are always set a bit port favored at the Nationals.
It was the last day and the Facio(PUR) and Armando(MEX) are still in a battle for North American Champion. Worrall way out of reach in the regatta.
Those guys are going to control the pin end of the line and were probably a bit conservative.
Then a perfectly timed wind shift,lots of luck and a brass set.
Gordo has done a lot for youth sailing in recent years.
Maybe a Karma thing.

And look who's there at the pin, Noriega, Figueroa...

Also look how far ahead the boat at the starboard end is in the second picture.

Right on, MISTER Bagley!!! Hooray for the little guy!

You’re not kidding "a brass set" to port tack those guys! Truly a thing of beauty.

Gordo left a message this morning and said something like,"I'm just glad my (youth,13 years old) crew had a good experience, that's the most important thing".
Pretty cool.

I was the 13 year old on the boat with Gordo. That first place finish is something I'm always gonna remember. It was tough staying up there in front of Mike Montigue. It was real nice how everyone came up and congratulated us. I appreciate Gordo for taking me on, this and one other were the only ones i sailed with him. Those two and one other regatta were my first hobie regattas.

Congratulations Nick! Sounds like you have a promising future in sailing! It is guys like you that give our sport a future. I hope you continue to enjoy it for many many years

I saw on some of the pictures that they where checking the weight of the Hobie 16, why? Was it to check the building quality or do they need to add corrector weights on some boats because they are below minimum weight?

/hakan

All the boats are weighed at every North Americans.

Some boats are underweight and need to carry corrector weights. (My 16 was 1 lb under last year and they made me carry a weight.)

Dan Ward's 17 was light at the event in Geneva and he carried a corrector weight.

My 14 was only 3 lbs over minimum - the lightest boat at the event.

In the gold fleet at Hobie 16 europeans you must use a brand new sail supplied by the factory including battens, but they don't check the weight of the boats!

I wonder why the weight is checked at the North Americans but not at the Europenas or the Australian and Asian championships?

/hakan

They also weigh the crews. If I remember correctly, some of the hot Hobie babes had to tape weights to the pylons of their boats, because they were so light.

What are the correct min weights for a 14. 16 and 17 ?

The weight of the skipper and crew has always been checked so it meets the minimum weight on every major Hobie 16 regatta I've sailed, but never the weight of the boat.

During the Europeans they sometimes check the top boats skipper+crew weight after a days hard sailing and you must still be above min weight.

/hakan

OK, but I would really like to know what the min weight of these 3 boats is.

Hobie 16 has a minimum weight of 145 kg if my memory is correct. I'm not sure about the other boats.

/hakan

Hobie 14 - 240 lbs / 109.00 Kg
Hobie 16 - 320 lbs / 145.15 Kg
Hobie 17 - 330 lbs / 149.70 Kg

FYI, these are also in the class rules, not just for those three boats, but for all Hobies (OK, most Hobies, but not all the new Euro ones). Try this link, or go to hobieclass.com and surf for the class rules.

http://www.hobieclass.com/site/hobie/ihca/downloads/rulebook/IHCARBook070523.pdf


If you join the class association, you should get a hardcopy of these rules (a small book).

Hope this helps.

Mike

For what it's worth they DO check the weight of the boats in Australian championship events. When I went down there for the 2004/2005 H-18 Worlds, they weighed in every boat as well as the skipper/crews. It was obvious this was not the first time they had done a weigh in, because the Aussies had some very cool ways of adding weight to underweight boats, or for making up for underweight skipper/crews.

Stephen
H-18

Thanks Chaps

I sailed the Australian/Asian Hobie16 in Melbourne 2005 and they didn't check the weight of the boats during that regatta.

But is the Hobie 16 really a one design if you have to measure it before each major regatta?

/hakan

Virtually every one design class requires a measurement inspection at major events. For example, Lasers measure the angle of the rudder, the depth of the daggerboard, whether the sail has a measurement "button", etc.

I would much rather have my boat be built a little light and have to add weight than to be stuck with a heavy boat that I can't put on a diet.

Also, Measuremnt will also include "compliance with the class rules".

Hakan... was the event a bring your own boat... or did they provide boats.

Perhaps, they assumed that the all the boats were more or less equal from the factory and the luck of the draw was used to assign you a boat ... so... no need to measure and add corrector weights.

In terms of weight, the best answer that I have been given is the fact that the hulls are hand-laid (and thus vary in weight), and depending on the age/condition of the dyes, the aluminum extrusions may vary in weight.

As Matt said, we'd all much rather have a boat that has to have corrector weights added to it. Most boats gain weight with age (water in the hulls, etc.).

And as Scooby mentioned, compliance with ALL class rules is something that needs to be controlled after the boat leaves the factory. Good examples are length of the H17 centerboard lines, purchase and setup of the H16 downhaul, etc. which have been watched carefully.

Mike

The Australian and Asians championship in Melbourne was a bring your own boat event, they had a limited amount of charter boats. No boat had their weight checked.

On all Europeans I've sailed, no weight check of the boats, but all Gold fleet sailors had to use supplied new sails and battens.

Why is it only the Hobie16 Europeans that use the concept with new sails for the gold fleet?

For me "one design" means bring your boat and sail, no boring delays with measurement and other stuff.

/hakan

But you are assuming no-one has fiddled with their boat since it left the factory.

well, you forgot about those of us that have reverse engineered the boats, made a mold of the hull and laid up our own all carbon H16's <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Shhhhhh

I'm making a Carbon one filled with Helium. Carbon mast with a few iron filings on the epoxy !

It would be really cool with an all carbon 75 kg Hobie 16. It would probably be possibel to build but EXPENSIVE! The downwind performance would be good but I'm not sure about the upwind performance, not enough hull digging in maybe?

/hakan

Three Hobie 18 Women's World Championships were held in the U.S., and they were all bring-your-own boat regattas, and all the boats were weighed at every event. I know that at the last one, in the early 90's in New Jersey, the difference in weights was as much as 30 pounds.

And the age of the boat does not necessarily mean it will be heavier, either. Boats from different years or eras were built heavier or lighter. Our boat was the lightest one there, at only 3 lbs over minimum weight, but I think it was also the oldest boat there.

Mary, I would think you would remember that the event was held in Wildwood in 93 and that you and your sister won the Womens 18 Worlds.