Juana's

I was within 20 miles of Juana's after our 50 mile bike ride this am and couldn't resist trying to get over there for the start. I got there probably 10-15 minutes after. I'm guessing it was a one start fits all like they usually do.

Anyway, what I saw was I'm guessing 35-50 boats on a downwind leg with the wind between 10-14 out of the east. Temp 89 degrees. Not a cloud in the sky! In other words, a perfect day to sail. It was really a beautiful site!

All I would like to know at this point is who the guy was sailing on spinnaker alone?? I couldn't see any other sail, and I was using binoculars. The thing is, he was doing pretty good! I don't have a clue what he will do when he rounds the mark. (which is usually 14 miles near Bob Sykes Bridge, Pensacola Beach)

Tom

sounds awesome. spin alone... really? interesting.

I doubt that it was Spin alone, is that possible?

Of course it's possible, it was the downwind leg. The guy was like 10th or so..............

okay, maybe 15th..............

Well, thinking about it some, that would put quite a load on the mast without the main up...........



I was thinking " this has gotta be Tikipete!!", but he was too near the front (-: .... Unless Bobster gave him some hints. The wind may have been up at the start and maybe it was a new singlehander kinda guy. It appeared to be a singlehander boat F17/F16 maybe. Yellow and Blue spin if I remember correctly and a black mast.

Talked with a friend and turns out it was him. He sailed down to Juanas and tore the grommet out of the top of his sail and didn't have time to run back and get his second main. So he sailed back to his place under spin alone. The mast on an HT can take that kind of strain and it isn't like he was pushing it or anything.
Blades doing well. Prelim reports show there are as many F16s there as the next most prevalent boat- the N20. 2 blades rounded the mark ahead of the F17 but Bob got them upwind.

Some photos from Sat are already up. Imagine results and Sun photos in the next couple days.

A tip of the hat to Key Sailing II, winners of the Spin fleet! Andy and I lost a 2nd place tie breaker with Hey Baby (Mike Kelley - SC 22). The kinks on the new N20 will be worked out by the next regatta!

JMac

Up where?

not many...
http://juanaspagodas.com/2007EventPhotos.htm

The HT went out early to check conditions and within minutes his sail was down the track about 3 ft. He sailed back to Juana's but couldn't make a repair there. I think he lived nearby and sailed (downwind) under spin before the race started to retrieve another main. Probably why you saw him soooo far in front of the other boats.

So guys,

How about a race report from Juana's ?

Results, Hero's, Zero's, the works !

Wouter

Agreed. Excellent location and a fun time!

Saturday was the distance race (about 30+ miles). At the skipper's meeting the PRO said for all spin boats to go to channel marker 131...however, on the board posting boats into fleets the F16's and F17 got lumped into the "Y" fleet which meant a shorter course .... channel marker 129) Either he didn't realize we were spin boats or (more likely) seperated boats by PN. Anyway Tiki, Chris and DoubleT didn't get the word and they sailed to the far marker.

One start for all boats ... downwind. Bob and I started at the leeward pin with spi's flying at the horn. Tom a bit back and towards the middle of the line. Bob and I dueled all the way to the turning mark (generally less than 10 boat lengths separated us all the way) with 3-4 lead changes between us on the run down. The BIG news was tshan...he ROLLED us under spin!! He sailed so deep (and fast)...as Bob and I were gybing back and forth ... Tom almost was able to sail straight down the Santa Rosa Sound.

At the turn it was tshan, then me about 10 seconds back then Bob about 2 boat lengths behind me.

Then it was over.

Bob was just faster up wind...and could point noticably higher than both me and Tom.

I bore off for speed going across the sound and tacked back. Bob and I crossed within 2 boat lengths and Bob tacked to starboard to cover me. When we got to the southern shore to tack again, I tried to point up with Bob and lost boat speed and he just kept walking away from me.

At the finish it was Bob, me back a couple of minutes and Tom back from me a couple of minutes.

Remember Tiki, DoubleT and Chris? Well Chris and Nicole capsized under spin and the main came off the hook, so they limped to shore for repairs and scored a DNF. Tiki and DoubleT sailed to the far mark and back and have claims of sailing with the N20's!!

Sunday was triangle races (2). Bob easily beat us with finishes of Bob, Terry, Tom and I think the others finished Tiki, Chris and DoubleT.

Agreed, great weekend. They announced 40 boats at the skipper's meeting, but everything is "ish" at Juana's.

Bob was very impressive on the water and had some good comments off the water about single handed sailing and having the proper rig for it. During the triangle races on Sunday, he was usually right behind the yellow ARC22 "Hey Baby" (and a I20 or 2) at the first mark (and kept it pretty close the rest of the way around). He can sail that boat higher and faster upwind than I could. No doubt he is the current North American champ....

Are we talking Bob Curry? He was sailing an I-17 right and not a Blade?

Doug

Yes. Bob Curry was on the F17 known as "Outlaw".

Tom:

Curry could make a bed sheet go fast. So don't feel bad. I met at Great Bay Race. He had a Corsair 750 flying.

Doug

Bob is just a fad.

Video from the regatta
Some nice video of Bob Curry's F17

It really was fun watching that start at Juana's. I was out by the bay in Pensacola again today. Another beautiful day to sail. Same as Juana's on Saturday.

I can't wait to see RTI in Ft. Walton in a week or two!! RTI always follows Juana's. The Juana's race is like the tune up for RTI!! September is really the best time of year to have large regattas here in this area. There are fewer tourists, motel/hotels rates are cheaper, plus the local expert sailors are usually there and not busy which means you can always learn a thing or two!!.

The first time I saw RTI in Ft. Walton was in 1995. I saw a Hobie 20 finish that year before 6pm, and he did not have a spinnaker. When I had the chance to do it in 1996, my 15 year old son and I had a great time on my new NACRA 6.0 and finished at 7:30 pm. We didn't know squat about coastal sailing having learned to sail near Memphis TN (actually Arkabutla Lake in MS). I will alway remember sailing close to shore and seeing all those empty beach chairs with umbrellas and hitting all the large jelly fish. Plus, seeing the high rise condos and cranes that would indicate how close you were to each town along the way.


Oops, now I'm being told that RTI is in June these days. Thats' a joke right? JUNE? ...........

Tom

Future F17 Sailor............?!

yep, already done in june.
I was wondering if the great bay race would be rescheduled to Sept (rti was june- the month I guess the GB race is done)

I want to PLAY! but I will resist.

Round the Island is now in June, that is correct. Info will be available at www.fwyc.org. Ft. Walton is hosting a Tri-Maran shootout the weekend of September 29th. Tri's from all over the nation, the week after the Noods. Come check it out.

My point is that the race(RTI) should still be in September. When you come down here from a place like Memphis, TN and see beaches that are not totally crowded and all sorts of fish and wildlife that you have never even thought possible(except now maybe on that show Planet Earth) It's just really an awesome and worthwhile vacation........

Sorry, I was too far back! Maybe if we beg the folks at Juana's they will post the overall results. We all started together, it would be nice to see how it all shook out.

In any case, I'll be back next year. The must do list includes: Tradewinds, JPOR, Daytona and Juana's.

This has to be one of the top venues in the SE U.S.

Thanks to the regatta organizers for a job very well done. And thanks to Bob Curry for spending some time with us. He is very generous in sharing his experience.

Video footage; Two F16's leading the Curry F17 under spinnaker, priceless !

Can I have some more of FAD, eehh that !

Still, good to see that Bob is getting challenged, must be alot more enjoyable for him as well.
Is Bob sailing with the 19 sq. mtr big boy spinnaker or the standard F17 one ?

Wouter

I would guess the standard spinnaker. It appeared smaller than ours.

He has the flattest mainsail I've ever seen! I honestly would not have believed you could get a sail that flat! There is a shot in the video where, viewed from astern, Bob's sail almost disappears. I remember thinking, " that sail should be called a Blade."

That is some great footage on how to sail a boat upwind (uni or double). A lot to be learned from it.

The full regatta clip had a lot of other action in it that has been edited out (unbelievably the edited clip still showed a few seconds of downwind action that had other boats in it). Too bad b/c there would have been some not so good footage on how to sail upwind (for comparative purposes, of course). <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

nice video. really makes you look at how you set up your trap lines to make sure you are perpendicular to the mast. Works well in smooth water, not so much if there is a lot of chop.

He uses a high/low dog bone for that very reason.

What do you mean? Like a stainless dog bone? With the stopper knot on my trap set up you could adjust it but isn't something you could do quickly. It would be nice to see that set up. Doubt he would post pics though.

Is it "the FAD" we see go upwind? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Nice trapeezing, but look at the mainsheet and mast. Looks like mainsheet is very tight, and that's probably where his windward ability lies.

Like have been said, trapeezing that low is difficult in large waves. You will not fly a hull all the time, and then it is very easy to be washed overboard. Setting skippers trapeze static in that height while leaving the crew free to adjust his trapeze can be an exercise in how to manage your teamwork in strong winds..

Juana's look very nice! Seeing events like that while we have 9degC outside is tough.

http://murrays.com/archive/48.pdf Item G. Lots of people use it. You just hook into the round end when there is chop, the longer end as needed.

I was not able to find it at the Online Store.

same thing could be done with item F

The Bobster never sails in any single mode. He is about as constant as the wind is. He changes up that mainsheet as the wind changes, and it is easier said than done(to do it correctly). (and that's not the only thing he changes)

My point is that the quote statement above might get some guy to thinking............
" That's it! Next time I'll just sheet tight and point right with that FAD guy and kick his butt!!" Ahh, .........I doubt it. Simply sheeting tight ain't a quick fix.


I think his upwind sailing ability just might have something to do with the 30 years or so that he has been sailing catamarans with and against some of the best sailors anywhere.

If you really want to go up against the Master Uni Fad guy at his best, try it after a strong cold front has gone through say in early spring when the wind is shifting all over the place. The wind was relatively constant at HWJuana's Saturday.

The pictures are starting to roll in from the racers at http://www.thebeachcats.com/index.php?module=pictures&g2_itemId=31726 Here's a sample

No doubt about it. Whole post is true.

I think Rolf just wanted confirmation that the video was a commercial for Bob. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Jeez! You deleted your smart butt post! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

I had a great come back. Now I can't use it.

Hey.......HWhat's the deal with this cushy F16U rating of 67.1? Jees! The F17 is like 150 lb's heavier than the F16 and has a rating of 66.7 ..........

Our good buddy Wouter always used the rating of 65.2 like it was for 1 or 2 up.

And even that rating is a peach !

Wouter

I was just thinking about RTI next year. On prevailing wind days, it's mostly a spinnaker run all the way around for the most part..............." Them " F16 guys are gonna be chomping at the bit to race F17's in a race where there's not much upwind racing to worry about.

The norm is to race the F16 at 65.2, no matter the configuration.

The F17 I saw this past weekend was MUCH faster than 66.1 (?, didn't check the decimal). <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The Master Uni FAD Guy is usually rated on a different scale...

Didn't you notice that asterisk on the Portsmouth Ratings page? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I think it was all in the hair do, less wind resistance.

this shouldn't be discussed over here...

Coiffures?

And btw, the H-16 crowd are still the party champions of the Universe!

I have a newbie question, been reading this forum for a couple of years. I purchased a old H-16, but find myself sailing only single-handed. Would it be better to find a good cat design to fit my deeds?
looking at the results, http://juanaspagodas.com/RegattaNews.htm
I see that Nacra builds a F16 & a F17
anyone know the price difference

Rich

There was an error in the results posting. Nacra does not make an F16. The F16s there were all Vectorworks marine blades. Nacra makes the SL16 but it isn't an F16 and I am not sure it is meant to be sailed solo.
Nacra does make the N17R "F17"

Lol! Patrick, you've been tagged with the 1980s syndrome characterized by Hobie sailors' belief that anything without a Flying H is a Nacra. I got labeled as the Nacra Capricorn the other day. Try not to take offense, oh ye F16-nazis. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The Capricorn is not a Nacra?!?!?!? What are you gonna do next.....try to tell me the Tornado is not a Nacra either?? :-)

The guy at The Cathouse in Michigan did have a sale on: New 2007 F17's for like $10,800!! I'm sure he could ship you one.

Tom

Just keeping things real <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thanks Guys
I have sent emails to both companies requesting info.
Was this regatta a two day event? What happen on the second Day?

Thanks
Rich

Day 1 was a distance race. Day 2 was two buoy races. The results are a combination of the two days.

For F16: contact Vectorworks Marine (Blade design, US based), Formula Catamarans Australia (Blade design, Aus based),Stealth Marine (Stealth design, UK based), or Australian High Perf Catamaran (AHPC) (Taipan design or Viper design, Aus based with US importers in FL). They'll get you started.

For F17: contact Performance Catamarans (makers of the NACRA line).

You can email me at tbshannon[at]charter.net if you have other questions.

I can provide some real insight on only the boats I have sailed against that you will never read anywhere on the internet! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Only if you are truly interested and be respectful of my time.

Bob <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Multiple choice reply, should it be?

A. What else are you going to do, didn't you just retire?
B. Wow, Uncle Bob is always so warm and cuddly.....
C. A tad bit arrogant, ya think?

<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> laugh Bob......

Bob, you gonna email me that thing that I emailed you about that you emailed to others?

Give it a break Bob !

You weren't sailing against the Mac's or even our "master uni-rig sailor" AKA "the F16 world champion".

First take on somebody of your own size before you tell us things about the boats that we will not see anywhere on the net.

Wouter

Thanks Tom
I see everyone has Blades, I have sent an email to both Nacra & Blade. I have already received a bunch of info from Nacra.
I guess comments on the second day of racing can be sent to me at rxzxwxaxrxnxerxatgmail com [remove x,s&at]
Bob, your input would be appreciated
thanks
Rich

ugh

Bob:

How do you rte the Blade as a step up for me from the 17. I am getting good spin training on the 4.3 and have lost 30 lbs. Down around 200 lbs now.

Doug

I have wondered whether some people's desire to sail solo is because no one will sail with them. I think that has occurred with some people desiring to sail solo. Some more than others, not wanting to name names.

Oh, I see you are suffering from number 50 syndrom.
<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I was just thinking, we singlehand sailors actually have something good going on here. When we F17 sailors bought our boats, we were hoping for a large fleet of them. Then the F16's and the A's took away lots of would be F17 sailors so naturally we were disappointed. BUT, Juana's has changed things a bit I think. You F16 guys know what you need to win and will probably be making a few changes. Others, will see the F17 for what it is..............a really fast, well engineered boat. All this adds up to lots of competition. I'm thinking these boats will be sparing with one another for years. Future singlehanders will just have to decide which boat is for them.

I'll put it this way since we've been talking movies over on the F16 site.......

From "The Right Stuff"

We gotta stick together on this deal guys.....

Also, one singlehander telling another singlehander that he's on a Uni because no one will sail with him.............well, it just doesn't work.

I sure would like to be about 6,000 miles away like our good buddy Wouter. That DUDE can say anything and doesn't have back it up. Hey Wouter, I think your new name should be ........THE DUDE!!

I agree... the comment about being a uni because no one will sail with them was just a thought. Works the other way too... someone being a uni because they don't want to sail with someone else. Guess the meaning is different though. The comment about no one wanting to sail with a uni sailor was not necessarily directed at anyone.
I agree with your premise that singlehanders should try to stick together.
I just wish Bob weren't so enigmatic in an attempt to bait us so often.

As far as backing things up... not everyone who posts here portrays themselves as sailors who know everything about how to sail. I know I sure as heck don't know everything and I don't think I come across as such. I like the talk and sharing of ideas.

Me calling Wouter THE DUDE has to do with him bringing up that goofy movie in the middle of our Apocalypse Now/Heart of Darkness discussion over on the F16 forum.

Bob..... you going to send me the email or is it a big secret?????

I'll tell ya... Bob kicked our collective F16 butts at Juana's, but... he beat every other boat there too. It did not matter if it was PN of 57 or PN of 59, he killed us all. Some on elapsed time and some on corrected time - but I bet he was miles ahead on corrected time.

I take his criticism as advice and will work to improve. It is not his fault he is damn good. He's worked hard and he deserves to be a "little" bit arrogant (Bob, please try to contain it). He is a gracious competitor but an butt of online poster, hahahahahahaha.... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

?

As I have always done since the beginning, I actually favour putting the F16's and F17's into one racing fleet and race first in wins. That will make us all better sailors and the difference between these boats is too small to matter much anyway.

I also believe that all F16's sailors and boat designs should not be afraid to measure themselves against the best, that includes the best I-17 sailors like Bachelor, Strubble and Curry. I don't believe that losing out to these sailors will cost us much sales at all. And I dislike the attitude of staying away from the other boats and sailors just to maintain an reputation.

I always wanted the F16's and the F16 class to have a "can do" mentallity and actively work against the splintering of the catamaran scene. This means not being afraid to take on anything, including I-20's, and activily seek to race as many other boats as possible by combining starts and fleets.

Personally I'm already thrilled at 2 sailors who have had their F16's now for about a year manage to give mr Curry a right challenge on the down wind legs. Next stop, working to do the same on the upwind legs. More fun for everybody.




I think so, otherwise we'll see to many sailors end up trying to sail a 29-er singlehandedly.

Wouter

<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Ohh, I thought you had been talking about me there for a moment ! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

One reason for Bobs continued success is the amount of time he spends on the water. I am a member of the same sailing club that Bob belongs to and also live on the water on the Bay that he sails on so I get to watch the sailing activity daily. I cant tell you how many times the last 2 summers Bob would rig his F17 and go out and practice for hours . Never just daysailing to the local beach hangout but out for hours at a time going upwind and back down nailing down his boat handling and tuning to the conditions. Catching up with him on the beach derigging his boat and he would always share what he learned that day and how his latest rigging idea was working out. I have sailed here in town around the likes of Randy Smyth,Brian Lambert,Kirk Newkirk, and the late Carlton Tucker for over 30 years and have never seen any of those guys apply the dedicated training that Bob does (exception being Randy when he was doing T boat campaigns in the 80s).So along with Bobs talent for going fast(er) is the huge committment to do what it takes to get there. My hats off to Bob for just that, he puts in major effort to achieve success.

Well, that would explain a few things. I wasn't going to share this since I was the biggest loser. (sounds like a good name for a TV show!) But anyway here goes.

I had an F17 before the Bobster. So when he got his, we sailed together to train. My idea of sailing back then was to set the boat up and then relax. To me, it's beer time! Well, after meeting up with Bob at 0800 and sometimes doing windward /leewards til 6:00pm I learned that if I am going to do this, there will be no drinking after setup. I mean after we would finish for the day, I'd hit the beach, get off the boat, and put a hand on each knee.........like a guy that just ran 10 miles.

Anyway, needless to say, I won't be drinking at all(ahh............on the boat that is!) when I get my next F17. Another thing before I get to my story, After a few of these practice sessions, we would sail upwind for a few miles. It was really fun except that the Master Uni Fad guy would be on the windward side of the Sound, and I would be on the leeward side! Not fun. But gradually he would give me hints here and there and before you knew it, I was an awesome sailor that on an upwind run was only half way across the sound when we hit the windward end. Gradually though, I did get close enough whereby you could take a picture with a wide angle lense, and we would both be in it at the upwind mark. Then Bob liked to say...

" Who's your DADDY? I'm thinking what the hell? Yeah, so we do it again, and again he's like Who's your DADDY? I'm thinking Mr. Thomm225 Sr?? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> My point is you F16 guys need to develop a thicker skin when dealing with the Fad guy. He likes to joke around somewhat.......HE thinks it's funny! NOT when you're the guy getting his butt kicked!! Anyway, I got tons faster.

Okay here's the story, (hopefully I can get this right although I'm a little fueled up! Yeah, I like to have a few beers after a 50 mile bike ride!)

At Performance Midwinters in 2005, there was a really light turn out. I think the N20 guys had something going on the whole week. So in our division(singlehanders) there were only three F17's. Me, Bobster and some " new" guy I didn't know. Anyway, the new guy turned out to be some Nat's Champ from back in the day when there would be like 60 boats on the line. (but I didn't know that at the time) First race 2-5 knot winds everyone finishes relatively close in our group. Then the wind picks up, and I cannot even enjoy my beer during the wait between races.

2nd races starts, and the " new" dude is out pointing me and Bob but Bob doesn't know it yet since he beat both of us off the line. I'm like F#@K! All this work, and I can't point with the "new" guy. Anyway, I get pissed off and head to the beach. Normally, I can take an butt whuppin like a man, but on this day I had had it. A few minutes later the Bobster comes in during the break between races and switches rudders. It didn't help as I would learn later. If I have this right, the Fad guy used things like good starts, tacking in favorable spots especially up near " A" mark which was really being affected by the land breeze from some of the newer condos. The point is Master Uni Fad still won even though that "New!?" dude could point better.

Who's Your Daddy F16 guy's?? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Tom

Future F17 guy (I think the # is 137)

Hey Thomm225:
What does the F stand for in F17?

Honest to God Tom just wrote down these exact words, in this order.





Do you think that there is a hidden message in there somewhere ?

Afterall, he is also referring to mr Curry as "MASTER unirig guy" all the time.

Wouter

I have always wanted a situation like that- training against another boat the same as mine. I sailed A LOT in July but it was always alone and sometimes the discipline to continue pushing yourself doing tacks etc lapses. I would have loved to get together with you and sail before I left even though it would have been on different boats... but oh well. I think the N17R and F16 are probably two of the more equal boats out there.
The problem with the "who's your daddy" mentality is that it doesn't translate well on the forum - especially if you don't know the guy.
I surrender. The whole concept of beating your chest a bunch because you win which just irritates the lesser of us... it would be great if Bob would share some of his hints ABOUT pointing rather than pointing out who is the "lesser of us."

Wouter, looks like you deleted a whole paragraph to make your point. Seems like you are into the Hershey Bar thing. Well, I'm not.

Anyway, my point was that through hard work you can improve. Doesn't matter whether your boat weighs 240lb's or 315!! As a matter of fact, when we used to do those long practice runs, I out weighed the Master Uni Fad guy by 15 to 20 pounds plus my boat was a bit older and heavier.(no carbo blocks, etc)But on light wind days, I could stay with him. When the wind came up, I couldn't.

As far as what letter is in front of the number 17, I'm not sure if that makes any difference. People are usually wanting to know what type of Hobie I sail anyway. And when I say NACRA, they are like what??. So I just say that I'm thinking about getting another catamaran.

Another thing, Wouter's 5 page rants on sail theory etc are not really that helpful as some folks keep saying. It appears to do nothing more than confuse an already confused group. You actually have to learn a bit at the time, and not just in the "classroom!" That's why they have labs at most colleges. Yes, you have to get out on the water. Plus, if a new sailor were told everything at once, he wouldn't be able to grasp it all anyway.

Here is the sad part, everytime we get close to becoming a solid group someone gets mad. People shouldn't take offense so easily. I think most people like to celebrate when they win. Anybody ever watch football, baseball, golf or tennis? All these folks celebrate sometimes for something as simple as a good catch or volley.

Hey, I haven't heard a whole lot about boat weight lately until I brought it up. Interesting. You mean sailing may actually have something to do with THE DUDE driving the boat?

One other thing, it's not magic. Bob didn't win all the races at Nationals so don't get to thinking it's just the one guy that's fast on the F17.

Tom

Tom,

You F17 guys need to grow a thicker skin !

It was just a joke.

Wouter

(remember that advice, you liked to dispense it yourself)

That is right mr Curry scored 4 points in a 3 boat fleet (= a OCS, DNS, DSQ or DNF) in the 3rd race.

As such he didn't win that race because "he wasn't in it"; he did win all the other races, though.





Your statement suggests a wholely different situation. I appears that the Gonzales method to truth telling is gethering a following.

Wouter

Actually, you have backed up my statement. I dropped out on the second race just like I said. You must go back and reread my rant. Hey, it's almost as long as one of yours.

Also, like I have told lots of the guys around here, this is a good example of why I am a cyclist and runner these days. When you don't start sailing until age 38 and are self taught like I am, you WILL have your bad days on the water as Wouter's post shows especially if the only guys sailing in your division are past Nationals Champions. Hey, where's my third place trophy??

Tom

ps. Just be happy that second place dude was not at Juana's........THAT would have made things look that much worse for the F16 crowd!

More results http://www.crawsailing.org/regattas/Recaps/Lighthouse2007results.htm
4 F17s & 2 F16 attended this regatta

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Pete. W T F.

What!?

You can have your batten back now.

56. . . <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Well, I was able to figure out what my pointing problem was at that regatta which helped me out a few months later at Island Hop 2005.............

Sometimes you have to lose a few to pick up info.

Tom

When will this event be taking place next year?

Were there any FX-one's, and how'd they do?

Advertised to ALWAYS BE the next weekend after Labor Day (Sept 6-7, 2008)

No FX-one's, but they were just a fad anyway! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

It is a long way for you, 1300 miles one way. Still, it would be nice to make this a big uni-rig event. Along with all the other stuff.

Yes it is, but if there is a FX-one nationals next year in B.C. that's 2000 miles one way, and I'm kicking around doing that event. You guys have it made down there, lots of beach, and a sailing season that borders on infinitly longer than ours. I'm about ready to pack it up now. Too cold. This past weekend it was 30 degrees the morning of the regatta. If I'm stupid enough to race in that, I'm dumb enough to burn 180 gallons of diesel to get to FL. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Drive the boat down once ... leave it for the winter ... and you can fly down on the weekends to sail <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

There is probably room for you at GYC. I'll look into it if you're interested.

JPOR Sept. 29-30

Area D qualifiers Nov. 3-4

Tradewinds early January.

Good idea! I have a friend who drives his boat down and does that. I wonder if he'd mind stacking my FX on his H17?

Yep, you can fly Minneapolis to Orlando for $99 each way or $116 to Tampa if you plan in advance (on AirTran).

Upcoming races:

9/29-30 Jetty Park Ocean Regatta--Harken Buoy Series(Cape Canaveral, FL)
10/6 Gulfport Yacht Club Fleet Race (St. Pete)
10/20-21 Fleet 45 race @ Melbourne Yacht Club
10/27-28 Wave Federation, Performance Sail, Melbourne
11/3-4 Alter Cup Area D Qualifier,Gulport Yacht Club
11/10-11 Hiram's Haul Distance Race, Performance Sail, Melbourne
11/17-18 Carlisle Classic, Harken Buoy Series, Clearwater, FL
12/8-9 SteepleChase, Key Largo FL

WOW ... Lots of sailing coming up!! So come on down and extend your season of sailing!

Extend? You mean double my sailing season. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Jan - Tradewinds Founders Park - Islamorada
Feb George Washington race - Lake Eustis
Mar - ???
Apr - F16-A Cat invitational Gulfport Yacht Club.

Thanks, Pete, for offering some relevant information in this thread entitled "Juana's". The uninitiated might get a bad impression of the Good Time Regatta with all this talk about upwind/downwind performance....and training??? Holy Cow, what's that???!

Jerome Vaughan
Hobie 16
Clinton, Mi'sippi

<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> C U next year!

Mar-??? How about an Intergalactic Championship at Lake Jackson, Sebring in March? The wind is usually pretty good that time of year (actually all winter it's pretty good, right up until May-Sept)

I'm in!

me to I can call the hotel and setup a group rate.

Lets do it.