politics

Anybody wanna get into this? I won't discuss the war, but I would be interested in hearing thoughts on a U.S. energy policy.

Dont mention the war!

Pete, why don't you ask Rick to create political or Pete's sound off forum for you.

Or you can always go here: http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/mb/ORCL

Let's keep the sailing forum sailing related please.

I'll take that as a "no thanks".

BTW- I don't need to sound off on this issue, I'm more interested in listening to others. Even you.

Seems like this has been pretty well discussed before as far as the effects of higher energy costs on regatta attendance, etc. My opinion on U.S. "energy policy" is not really appropriate for a family website <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />.

It's a 'no thanks' in the general forum on a multihull sailing site.

Again ask Rick and Mary for a general bs forum. Or you could use the F16 forum.

Even when we have get-togethers of sailor friends at our house, it is kind of a rule that we don't allow the conversation to get into religion or politics. Well, it is MY rule, but I think it is a good rule.

We dont want that, but outsiders insists on abusing our forum.

FFS its CATSAILOR.COM

'nuff said.

What does "FFS" mean? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

FFS - For Friends of Sailing

It wouldn't be funny if you wanted it.

ffs - For #&@%'s SAKE!!!!

Oh come on Andrew! Does EVERYTHING have to be censored!?

Tad,
I am going to ask again: What does "FFS" mean?

For "Feth's" Sake.

There's a reason why its Acronym'd.

So that is your opinion on fun.. Nice to know.

Lighten up Rolf.

What's the over under for how long it will be before it's added to the censor list?

Me too.

I guess it's sad that people cannot debate topics without getting all emotional and starting verbal or physical fights.

Have we lost all self control or respect for others' opinions? I think that was a central theme in "debate class" in grade-school Perhaps they don't teach this anymore?

While I agree that politics may not be the central theme of a multihull site, it seems sad that discussions and discourse often turns so primevil (even sailing topics)..

One of my shooting partners once said three things will solve most of our problems (this may apply to the politics discussion, too):

Study up - know what you are talking about or shut up. If you can't verify your source to others, it's hearsay and non-admissible in any discussion

Lighten up - we're all entitled to our opinions, and it is not up to us to change anyone else if they don't want to (and few people actually want their opinions changed by other people - even if data proves they are incorrect)

Grow up - you can still appreciate and respect someone, even if you don't agree with them. You (the participant) control the debate - don't be stupid enough to let it become an argument. Call it "respectfully disagree" and move on.

Who is Feth?

Feth comes after 4th and before 6th!

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I think the problem with "political discussion's" online is that we are too far removed from one another physically and emotionally to be able to value and respect one another's opinion's.

It is just too easy to write someone off as ignorant or wrong. Unkind things are said even in this forum, that would never be said in a "face to face" discussion.

I enjoy a "spirited Debate" but usually with someone that I already know and respect. Often in the course of the debate I learn something about the subject we are debating. How can that be a waste of time.

The problems start when you hold your opinions more dearly than your friendships. True friendships often survive and flourish because of differences not in spite of them.

In Example, I think the Hobie 18 is the best catamaran in the world. I call some of the people that disagree with that opinion very close and dear friends. Some of the people that disagree with that opinion, are willing to call me friend, life is good.

Just my .02.

Stephen