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A Class Worlds start soon

Posted By: ACE11

A Class Worlds start soon - 12/21/08 01:02 PM

The A Class Worlds start on 2 January 2009 at Belmont 16ft Skiff Club Lake Macquarie NSW Australia. The preliminary regatta of the Australian Titles starts on 28 December 2008. So far 94 entires have been received from 13 countries. The usual A Class luminaries will be there as well as a few Olympic class jumpers and an AC skipper. Surprisingly no Seppos (A term of endearment) have nominated for the event. It's a shame after the strong numbers at the last Worlds in Florida and the emergence of US sailors as a force in A sailing. Maybe the GFC is biting harder than we think!
The event website is here http://www.a-catworlds2009.org.au/
I'll try and make some posts during the event as I'll be sailing myself.

Cheers
John Dowling
AUS9
Posted By: ACE11

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/01/09 02:51 AM

The lead up regatta is now finished with the top 5 being Glenn Ashby, Steve Brewin, Andrew Landenberger, James Spithill and Brad Collett. It was pretty hectic with 83 boats on the water with three heavy races and two lighter. Can't wait for the Worlds now though. They begin in earnest on Sunday 4th.
Full details of the event so far are on the website listed above. I am next to the sailor who got the lightning in the boat park he was standing 6 feet from me and I didn't get any shock while he fell like a stone. Very scary stuff - but he has been fully checked out and is fine now.

Cheers
John Dowling
AUS9
Posted By: John Williams

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/01/09 03:16 AM

Thanks for the posts, John - sounds like the regatta is shaping up nicely despite the summer storms.
Posted By: ratherbsailing

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/01/09 10:40 AM

Go the Olympic sailor in 8th place who normally sails a Laser.

And the America's cup sailor in 4th.

Boy these guy's could sail anything fast.
Posted By: Twister

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/02/09 07:10 PM

Any interesting equipment developments this year?
Posted By: dave mosley

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/03/09 02:59 AM

no US sailors?
Posted By: ejpoulsen

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/03/09 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by dave mosley
no US sailors?


There are several interesting story lines, and I'm certainly interested in how things play out:

*No US sailors despite significant talent including former world champions
*Several elite sailors from the non-catamaran ranks
*Parallel vs canted vs banana boards
*Glued vs non-glued
*More hull designs than ever: flyer II, A3, the tool, boyer, bimare V1, balance, nikita, marstrom, scheurer; yet unclear if any recent US designs will be present (like the Evo or LR2); BUT, anything new like wide/planing sterns, chines or trip turbulators?
*Sail shape innovations--wider tops still, new batten configurations, any boomless?
*Rig innovations--whippier or stiffer, tapered or same ol' stuff?
*New techniques--Is there a new breakthrough like "wild thing"?
*New talent--is there a new "Ashby"; will the non-cat sailors threaten?
Posted By: Tony_F18

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/03/09 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by ejpoulsen

*yet unclear if any recent US designs will be present (like the Evo or LR2);

Piet Saarberg will be sailing with the EVO A-Cat design.
Posted By: bvining

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/03/09 02:42 PM

There's two story lines here, one about the competition.
- Can anybody beat Ashby - probably not, Guck's not going, so he'll sweep. Spithill's more of a multi guy now, F18, Dogzilla and Acats all under this belt. It will be interesting to see how the two Aussie Olympic guys do, non-Acat guys, one Laser sailor and one 49er sailor. Two new non Acat sailors isnt really all that ground breaking, unless of course if they win. Its good to see that the Acat class is attracting new blood.

Its more disappointing rather than interesting that the US didnt show up. Winning without beating Guck, Melvin, Kinder, Hall, is a rather hollow victory. If you add up all the world and national titles that the US has in Acat sailing, you'd have a nice long list and lots of those guys are still racing. So in my opinion, this world championship will always have that as an asterick.

The other story is the curved boards.

- Do the curved boards really give that much of an advantage? - The answer is probably yes, in the right downwind wind range and how do you take adavantage of that?

The rest of your list really isnt that interesting (sorry)
And why is glued vs no glued interesting? Are you waiting for the glue to fail?

Shapes,
The more radical hull shapes, the LR2 and to a less extent the the Dk17 wont be there. I dont see anything that radical from the tool, balance, nikita or schuerer, they all look pretty similar, more of a refinement that than dramatic new ideas.

Boomless? Doubtful.

Rigs are getting stiffer with the squaretops, nothing new there. I doubt you'll see a whippy mast. The last big innovation came from Ben Hall with his wing mast and thats not going (disappointing). He also tried a super light weight mast in Florida last year, but he broke it. I doubt you'll see that again.

Any new techniques? The only new technique that would be interesting or innovative is if the curved boards allow you to plane downwind and go mild instead of wild.

Bill

Posted By: TEAMVMG

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/03/09 04:10 PM

"Its more disappointing rather than interesting that the US didnt show up. Winning without beating Guck, Melvin, Kinder, Hall, is a rather hollow victory. If you add up all the world and national titles that the US has in Acat sailing, you'd have a nice long list and lots of those guys are still racing. So in my opinion, this world championship will always have that as an asterick. "

Rubish

You need to get yourself a blazer and get on some ISAF committees, then you can start administering the 'world championship' franchise and take it off classes that you don't think are worthy.

There are always guys that don't show up to any race, no-one has the right to assume that they are better than anyone else without competing.

You gotta be in it to win it.

You should appologise to all the a-class sailors for demeaning their championships!
Posted By: bvining

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/03/09 04:20 PM

You are right, they didnt show. No disrespect intended to the guys that did show.

Posted By: ACE11

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/04/09 01:05 AM

Piet Saarberg is sailing a Tool. The EVO is sitting on the beach unrigged. He didn't have time to get it finished. I don't think it will hold him back - it doesn't look to be anything too different to the other top designs. With most of them it isn't the design that makes the speed - it's how you handle the boat and where you place yourself on the course and in the fleet.
Gotta go now to get on the water - it's blowing the dogs of the chains.

Cheers
John Dowling
AUS9
Posted By: ACE11

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/04/09 03:29 AM

Racing has been abandoned for the day after an attempt was made to start. Wind was around 24kts. schedule has been amended for a 9.30am start tomorrow to try and get 4 races done.
BTW it is dissappointing that no USA sailors were able to come but I think it is a stretch to claim that it will impact on the quality of the fleet. There are a large number of quality international sailors and many very fast locals. Ashby won't have it all his own way. THe history of World A class champions is Australia 17, Italy 3, Germany 2 and USA 2. I'm sure the USA A sailors will take a deep breath after the GFC and head off the the next Worlds in Italy 2010.

Cheers
John Dowling
AUS9
Posted By: Hakan Frojdh

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/04/09 10:08 AM

Hi John,
I know that things can get busy at a Worlds but if you get time try to give us desktop sailors some quick reports! It's always interesting to get reports from both the sailors and organisers.

/håkan
Posted By: Tony_F18

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/04/09 10:36 AM

Looks like typical choppy lake conditions.
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Posted By: phill

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/04/09 10:41 AM

Anyone interestd in checking out the wind for that area over the next few days just click the link-
seabreeze.com.au
Posted By: AUS

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/04/09 11:20 PM

Talking A cat inovation. Not to hijack this thread but the first of the A cat US winter circuit starts Monday week. While we won’t see as much innovation as we did for the US worlds we will see a small snippet of what is going on outside the US. The Swedes are coming with their curved boards, Randy Smyth is said to have refined his boomless mainsail so that will be interesting. We may get to see the new chinned hull from Racer X. I also know a bunch of us will have our new 09 Ashby sails as well as the most recent Glaser and Landenberger rigs will be on the water.
Posted By: dave mosley

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/05/09 12:14 AM

So if Larry and Dogzilla arent allowed to compete in the AC, is it a real championship?
I see both of you guys points, but I have to say if Nigel didnt show up to our EMSA series, and I won it, would I really be the best sailor around our area?
If Ashby didnt show for this one, I bet you would feel the same way about whoever won, and we all would.

But, you have to race to win, Damn, who's side am I on?
Posted By: Jake

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/05/09 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by dave mosley

I see both of you guys points, but I have to say if Nigel didnt show up to our EMSA series, and I won it, would I really be the best sailor around our area?


Maybe, maybe not...but you would have won the event. Winning any worlds is a huge accomplishment...and I don't care who you are who is not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/05/09 03:30 AM

Enough chat...

Originally Posted by www.a-catworlds2009.org.au
It looked as though Australia’s 2002 World Champion Steve Brewin had won race one of the 2009 A-Cat World Championships at Belmont today. However Brewin was OCS by three seconds.

The race was closely contested in a five to seven knot nor’easter. Brewin was first around the top mark, with Ashby back in tenth place.

But it was Spain’s Manuel Calavia who claimed first place. Glenn Ashby, Matthias Dietz (GER), Dave Brewer and James Spithill were among the top finishers at the second top mark.

Calavia was the first ranked European behind Glenn Ashby and Scott Anderson in the 2007 European Championships and was placed second behind Steve Brewin in the 2008 Europeans.

'I was the third boat up from the pin. I went left, found clean air and was good after that,' Calavia said.

Ashby, who came second, described his approach to the challenging conditions. 'The secret was to go hard left until your nose bled or you almost bricked, and then come away,' he said.

The light conditions were difficult; the 94 boat fleet had trouble coming in on port tack, but found it easier on starboard tack.

Spithill, who was fourth across the line and third in the race after the OCS of Brewin, explained he was pleased with his recovery.

'I was deep in the 40’s on the first beat but I kept chipping away and got a couple of good shifts and worked my way back up into the fleet,' he said.



by Gemma Noon


Posted By: Hans_Ned_111

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/05/09 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Originally Posted by ejpoulsen

*yet unclear if any recent US designs will be present (like the Evo or LR2);

Piet Saarberg will be sailing with the EVO A-Cat design.


I did talk to Piet and he is sailing a Tool, the EVO was not completly ready and his idea was that the Tool was better to do the Worlds on so he kept it in the container.

Posted By: Tony_F18

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/05/09 11:25 PM

Interesting to see the AC sailors are doing so well.
Spithill (BMWO) in 2nd, Luc duBois (Alingi) in 3rd, only after 3 three races so still a long way till the podium.
Ashby in 1st obviously.
Posted By: scooby_simon

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/06/09 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Interesting to see the AC sailors are doing so well.
Spithill (BMWO) in 2nd, Luc duBois (Alingi) in 3rd, only after 3 three races so still a long way till the podium.
Ashby in 1st obviously.


THey are good sailors or they would not be doing what they are doing; they have (I assume) the budget for the bst kit, and the time to train!
Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/06/09 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by bvining
- Can anybody beat Ashby - probably not, Guck's not going, so he'll sweep.

Its more disappointing rather than interesting that the US didnt show up. Winning without beating Guck, Melvin, Kinder, Hall, is a rather hollow victory. If you add up all the world and national titles that the US has in Acat sailing, you'd have a nice long list and lots of those guys are still racing. So in my opinion, this world championship will always have that as an asterick.


That's is pretty ordinary. Ashby took out the 07 Worlds on US soil.

This fleet as with all A class Worlds is full of previous world champions and some of the best cat sailors in the world. Ashby is giving them a hiding. I'd imagine Gashby's Olympic campaign has only increased his speed and smarts in the class he has dominated like no other sailor....... And just like other Worlds, the top 10 is very heavily AUS bias.

If the US sailors came over, then they would have been taking on the best A Class nation on their home soil.
Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/06/09 09:42 AM

In the last 23 years,

AUS have won 16 WCs
ITA - 3 WCs
USA - 2 WCs
GER - 2 WCs

And each year the top 10 results are really impressive for AUS.

WORLD CHAMPIONS:
YEAR VENUE CHAMPION NATIONALITY
1981 Botany Bay (Aust.) B. Anderson Australia
1982 Cesanatico (Italy) A. Babbi Italy
1984 Wellington (N.Z.) A. Goodall Australia
1985 Spray Beach (USA.) A. Goodall Australia
1986 Brenzone (Italy) S. Anderson Australia
1987 Blairgowrie (Aust.) B. Schafferius Australia
1988 Turkey Point(Can.) G. Goodall Australia
1990 Napier (N.Z.) G. Goodall Australia
1991 Gromitz (Germany) P. McKenzie Australia
1992 Silvaplana (Switz.) P. McKenzie Australia
1993 Sanguinet (France) E. Babbi Italy
1994 Lake Cootharaba (Aust) M. Booth Australia
1995 Andijk (Holland) E. Babbi Italy
1996 L'Estartit (Spain) G. Ashby Australia
1997 Long Beach (USA.) P. Melvin U.S.A.
1999 McCrae (Aust.) N. Bunkenburg Germany
2000 Cesenatico (Italy) N. Bunkenburg Germany
2001 Port Genesta (Spain) S. Brewin Australia
2002 Martha's Vineyard (USA) G. Ashby Australia
2004 New Plymouth (NZ) G. Ashby Australia
2005 Sanguinet (France) P. Melvin U.S.A.
2006 Vastervik (Sweden) G. Ashby Australia
2007 Ismoralda (US) G.Ashby Australia
Posted By: Rolf_Nilsen

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/06/09 11:02 AM

Without inflating your ego further ( wink ), I always thought Australia to be the premier beachcat nation smile

Cool to see that the AC/olympic sailors do well. Indicates that sailing fast is a skill transferable into new classes.
Posted By: Tony_F18

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/06/09 11:22 AM

Aus is one of the coolest countries anyway! (10x better than NZ!).

Stephen:
Why are you not competing? Its practically in your backyard.
Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/07/09 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
Without inflating your ego further ( wink ), I always thought Australia to be the premier beachcat nation smile



A few cat sailors here make the rest of us look good as a whole grin
Posted By: Tornado_ALIVE

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/07/09 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Stephen:
Why are you not competing? Its practically in your backyard.


Sold the T to buy an new F18 when they anounced the AUS Worlds. Like many other class jumpers, tried to sell the boat post worlds. Took a year and a half and lost a lot of money on the boat. A little hesitant to do that again. I am also looking at growing up a bit....... Buying a house and getting married. So the next new boat will be on the back burner for a bit. May have to get a cheapy though to ease the itchy feet.
Posted By: Phile

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/07/09 07:58 AM

Soil??
Posted By: fin.

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/07/09 11:16 AM

Why do you suppose Australia is so dominate in the cat world?
Posted By: AUS

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/07/09 02:45 PM

Great conditions for more than 4 months of the year. Established class with great racing for many years. As you see the fleets grow in each country, The europeans are catching up. ESP, GER, ITA, USA etc all have growing fleets. It is great to see.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: A Class Worlds start soon - 01/08/09 09:29 AM

Hi Stephen,

I told you that now you live in Vic you should back the Vic's. Ashby has cleaned up again, winning by minutes and it wasn't even that windy which is when he shines most. cool

Glad he is on our side, a awesome talent, yet so humble and happy to pass on tips to us mortals. I learn stuff every time I am lucky enough to sail near him. smirk

If only we could all afford A classes. cry

So what did we bet on Ashby winning wink
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