WANTED!!! - Ashby a-cat mainsail

Sail custom built for 170 lb sailor on a Boyer MKIV. Hoisted once, never sailed! I'll exchange one 9mm bullet for the sail! Caution - bullet may be hot to the touch and moving very quickly. No offers refused!

(someone stole my brand new Ashby main off my boat last night before I even had a chance to sail it).

That is ridiculous!
Who would do such a thing? Its not like you can sell it or anything,

Hope you find the A-hole who did it.

I'm going to put a hex on that stinker.

You should handcuff yourself to the spare. Oh wait, I've got the cuffs here at the house.

That seriously sucks.


Maybe some freak has some new sail material fetish.
oh wait...

Where from? The Keys, at a regatta?

I hope it turns up somehow.

Jake, a description of the sail to help the rest of the class identify it? Sailbag and sail cloth color, cut, shape, battens, number (although that has probably been removed by now) any other identifying features? Was there a civilian population wandering about or just sailors in the area?

I would hope another A catter would never do this, but a non-sailor passerby might, and then try to sell it on Ebay or something.

Jake,

I hope it is just another sailor playing a trick on you or some one just got yours by mistake. Never, never, never leave your sails on your boat!!!

FUBAR!

wtf. It will problably show up jury rigged on a locals H16.

THAT SUCKS!! If you find out who took it I'll provide the 9mm.

We see these things from time to time and while I would imagine it would be easy to spot, I've never heard of them being found again...even whole boats.

However, the mainsail is a nicely shaped square head sail made of white pentex with blue scrim. It has USA and the Ashby logo on it (an "A" with a kangaroo and "shby" following it). I hadn't yet put the sail numbers on it - even though they would have been able to peel them off, that was bad fortune there too. It's in a purple sailbag with a tag, that undoubtedly would no longer be on it, with my name, "Jake Kohl", on it. It has the plastic tube bolt rope designed for a mast with no halyard...so it probably won't even fit anything other than an a-cat.

Its pprobably going to be on Rick's Tiger, with my 8:1 blocks on it....all stolen

I thought that was Blake's old N20 sail stolen from Daytona with your 8:1 mainsheet...

Someone's building a carport with sails instead of canvas, I'll bet..

sorry to hear that Jake... really stinks!

Jake,

Hopefully you filed a police report and have contacted your insurance company.
As for the 9mm, that's a woosies bullet. I have a 30.06, 220 grain high speed, scope capable of 500m+, just for that special person.

Bob the Hunter

reach out and touch someone. I'm too lazy to wait for 500 yds.

.338 (300 grain) Lapua at 950+ yds. Leupold 6.5-25 x 50mm

I'm blueprinting a .408 Chey Tac, but really don't think I'll be able to shoulder it (definitely need to think brake/suppressor design). The Lapua is enough after about 6 shots! But one is all it takes, right?

If you find the sail don't use the 9mm. I have a high power 22. We can start at the knees and hit every major joint in the body. Knees hips elbows shoulders ankles , wrists, and let them live long enough to suffer through the whole thing.

Jake, That really sucks. There are not that many Ashby sails in the US, should be easy to spot. I would contact local sail lofts and put the word out in case of a recut. Hopefully some punk-butt isn't going to use it for a tarp or something.

100% agree; also keep an eye out on ebay etc.

The word is out but I really doubt we'll see it again. Police report filed, I'll contact insurance on Wednesday...I'll get to see how good Progressive is and if my zero deductible holds up. I've moved on - sail gone and even if it did show up it's probably been mistreated. I did, however, have a ball today racing with the a-catters out here. Several people graciously offered up their sails (thanks guys!) but I didn't want to go to all that trouble. I'm running my 8 year old GoodAll main (that has little use) and still am relatively competitive...having a lot of fun!

Jake my friend, she's a keeper.

Jake,
Maybe it was a godsend. If you had that purdy new sail up you'd have been staring at that instead of where the offset mark was. All those guys with the purdy sails couldn't stop starin' at 'em and look what happened. Right, Mike?
Tawd

Yeah....I know.

SK-47, CHINA/RINCON, .223, WE CAN CAP THE BASTARD FROM .5+ miles even before the sail hits the mast hook. As long as it aint too windy, heh,heh.

.308 The only way to fly.

British Enfield?

Me thinks that's .303

I was referring to the Remington 700, US army's weapon of choice for distant target termination since the late'60s.

I really like waterbugs choices too, just outta my price range.

Ah! You right. .303 elephant gun.... .308 people gun. (kiddin)

My my, this excess of "Who's bullet is bigger" talk has me all flustered. Can't quite articulate what it brings to mind or what it might imply...

Methinks a scattershot of rock salt would be quite sufficient to make some low rent trash drop a sail bag, bloodthirsty beasts though ye be.

You boys talkin about the size of the hole that your guns will make in people....

I propose a different approach. Spray and Pray. That is, turn your target into spray then pray for the poor bastard:

Jake,

Sorry to hear it. Why can't they ever take that 5 year old main that you've been meaning to replace for about 2 years.

I think a sail is equivilent to a man's horse. Here in MO we still hang horse thieves. So if you find someone dangling from a palm tree with two black eyes down there you know what happened.

The spray and pray or rock salk , bird shot could out a hole in the sail thats why u use the 22 accurate and painfull but the sail comes out clean.

Yes, scatter guns and "spray and pray" could damage the sail. That's a no-no.

You guys can keep the CQB crap. I'm staying a safe distance away.... like 2000 meters. That way no one can shoot back...

Jake: Did you put the stolen notice on SA?
The more the know about it the better.
And maybe put up a reward or something?

Thats what Im waiting for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The reward!

Oops.

Done...overwith...time required for my involvement is beyond the reward...sucks? yes. Find the culprit?..prolly not...I'm moving on an happy with my 14th place finish.

I figured I might as well chronicle my insurance experience with Progressive on the claim for the sail...so here goes...I have been really impressed with Progressive Insurance to date although I have not had a claim. I like to keep notes on these sort of things so I figured I might as well share.

This morning at about 10:15am I called the national Progressive claim number and got to a rep about 20 seconds after entering my policy number. I gave her some details about the incident but I left the police report number in my car...said I would have to get that back to them (she said "no problem"). Everything was entered and she said a claim person would contact me within two hours.

I got back to my desk at 11am after a meeting and my wife had sent me an email that the local claim person had already called the house after trying my work number and my cell phone number (I was in a meeting and my PDA phone is with our IT department for some data problem). She said he wanted to know how much to write the check for....

so far so good...I don't have a replacement quote yet so it looks like I'm going to be the delay in the process at this point. I called the guy back but got a voicemail...I'll wait to leave him a message until I have my cell phone back this afternoon.

Jake

Called and left message for the local claims guy "Dennis" this afternoon at 1:15p and left my cell number (now that I have my phone back). I probably don't have the info he needs but wanted to check on what information I need to provide him so I can get it all to him at once.

(I'm leaving last names out of this board for protection of the innocent!).

Dennis calls me back at 2:15pm...I just need to send him the invoice/estimate for replacement and a copy of the police report. I explained that I purchased this sail at a time when the exchange rate was low and with a group of five sailors so we could share a combined / reduced shipping expense. I was concerned that because the exchange rate today isn't as favorable and that the shipping may not be able to be shared like was done originally - it may cost a bit more to actually replace it. He explained that they don't normally consider shipping expenses but that they would see what was possible once all the numbers were on the table. Nice guy - prompt responses. I'm pleased thus far.

I am sure that when I first purchased the policy for my F18 (which was then transferred to the A-cat) that it was a "replacement value" policy and not an "agreed value" policy. Dennis said it was an agreed value policy...which means they cover me for what I paid for the sail and not what it costs me to replace it. It could be a difference when dealing with the whole boat vs. a small part of the boat or something...I'll figure out what's up with that soon enough when I have a chance later to research my policy details.

thanks for the updates on your insurance... i have a $7000 policy for my boat with AllState (that is up for renewal)... and i pay $320... how does that compair with yours?

The value on my a-cat is similar - I pay $115 per year...but I also have a second boat, a Hunter 23 monohull, insured with them too at about the same rate and similar value. Both plans cover racing, the trailers, and towing.

I am in no way promoting one insurance company over another. I just thought you guys might find the experience interesting as it happens since it's something you hope to never have to use. It's the first insurance claim I've ever had against my own insurance boat/auto/home or otherwise.

I have found Progressive to be pretty on the ball with regard to this stuff.

One thing I have seen is when people fill out applications online, they don't always look closely at what they are applying for. They look for what costs the least.

Replacement cost policies are more expensive than actual value, but who but an insurance geek would know the difference between the policies?

The other biggie? "How much insurance should I buy"? You'd have to know the depreciated market price. Overestimating a boat's value just means you're paying more premium. Understating the value puts you in a co-insurance penalty situation (meaning you won't get as much as you think on the claim payment)....

So unless you have the marine "blue-book" with your boat listed, I'd contact your agent or some reliable industry expert to help...

I will look into them.... thanks

PS "supposedly" they will pay out the full amount of my policy (7K)regardless of actual value, depreciation, replacement cost (minus the $500 deductable)... for the first 3 years.... this is part of their "premium" plan.... but i wouldn't be surprised to learn there were "factors i wasn't aware of" that mitigate that somehow....

My coverage is for agreed value (more than what i paid for it) and is only $136 a year through state farm. I have my home and car insurance through them as well.

I recently switched from the gowerie (US Sailing) plan because they wouldn't increase my coverage. With what has happened with the mast in the N20 class, I felt that I needed to get more coverage so that if something DID happen, my boat wouldn't be totaled with me sitting with a check that wouldn't even come CLOSE to buying a replacement 20. So now I'm happy with State farm.

OK, it took a while, but I finally got the receipt and everything in order for the sails to send to the insurance guy. Monroe County Sheriff's department was astonishingly efficient at sending me the report several weeks ago. I made one phone call and spoke to one person with my case number and she had emailed me a PDF of the report within minutes. Talked to the local progressive adjuster in town this morning and faxed over the report, the receipt, and the current exchange rate between the AUS dollar and the US dollar. I was honest that I actually paid a little less for the sail because the exchange rate was better in early December but he said don't worry about it and I used today's rate...the difference was about $100 in my favor (but it will probably cost me a little more than that difference to replace the sail with the current exchange rate and shipping). Everything was faxed over this morning and I have a feeling I will have a check by week's end.

As for the agreed vs. replacement value on the policy, I confirmed that my boat policy is replacement value but that does not extend to this kind of claim. If the boat was a complete loss, the policy will cover what it takes to replace the boat with something of equal or greater value should an equal replacement not be able to be located.

thanks for the continued updates