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Posted By: Storz

Finally! - 08/21/09 12:54 AM

My boat is home, that is all smile

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Posted By: Dazz

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 03:25 AM

Nice bow spreader!!!

Interesting spray rails too.
Posted By: FasterDamnit

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 03:58 AM

Awesome!

Keep the graphics!
Posted By: TEAMVMG

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 06:25 AM

Sorry sir, you can't park that there........ Move it along now.
Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by FasterDamnit
Awesome!

Keep the graphics!


The graphics are definitely staying smile I think that mine is one of three made with the lightning bolt. My apt complex is (luckily) cool about that kinda stuff being parked in the lots.

Anyone have a cheap tiller extension they are looking to get rid of? smile
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 12:25 PM

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My apt complex is (luckily) cool about that kinda stuff being parked in the lots.


Shiiiiiit... when I lived in Cary, over at the Stratford, they wouldn't even let me pull the N20 into the parking lot to clean it.
Posted By: Isotope235

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Storz
The graphics are definitely staying smile I think that mine is one of three made with the lightning bolt. Anyone have a cheap tiller extension they are looking to get rid of? smile


Ryan,

Contratulations on getting the boat home. Definitely keep the hull graphics - but then they'd be hard to get rid of. The design is not vinyl nor paint - it's gelcoat and goes all the way to the glass. The boat is one of three with a similar design, all originally owned by Jim Howard (he and his son David currently sail the other two and look forward to seeing yours back on the water). Jim always said that Frank put the lightning bolt on upside down, so we called it the pterodactal boat.

The cheapest tiller extensions can be found at HomeDepot/Lowes in the paint department mislabeled as handles for paint rollers. Before you buy one, though, try the rabbit-ears tiller. It is very easy to use. The only drawback is that it's not long enough to use on the trapeze.

Regards,
Eric
Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Undecided
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My apt complex is (luckily) cool about that kinda stuff being parked in the lots.


Shiiiiiit... when I lived in Cary, over at the Stratford, they wouldn't even let me pull the N20 into the parking lot to clean it.


Ha small world, we live at the Stratford now. The only thing they have ever given me some troubles about was wet sanding a project BMW in the parking lot wink

I am going to pick up one of these tonight and see if I can rig it up.
Its almost identical in lenght to the Arriba FX3. What is the best way to attach these to the tiller?

http://www.homedepot.com/Paint-Brus...-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 02:45 PM

They must have had a change of heart. I brought it to the back lot where the "car washing" area is (which was also right in front of my building) to wash it. This was the picture sent to me by management when they told me to never bring it back again:

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Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 03:03 PM

Yah they have totally differnt managment now, thats wild though...where the hell did they want you to keep it? Did anyone ever mess with the boat when it was parked down there?

Awesome Vehicross BTW!
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 03:54 PM

Nobody messed with it. I didn't even park it there. At the time it was Trey's boat and he kept it out at Rtodd's house out on Lake Wheeler Rd. I just wanted to wash the damn thing :P

LOL you know what a Vehicross is? I had to trade it in. I gained about 50lbs and the seats pinched the blood flow off to my leg during long trips. I'd get out of it and couldn't stand up!
Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 05:15 PM

yeah man the Vehicross is awesome, totally wanted one back in college but couldn't afford one.
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 05:30 PM

You can pick them up for cheap these days. Great vehicle. Tons of power - the best damn reactive AWD system I've ever driven (much better than the Audi trash they peddle) and the "what is that?" factor is unmatched.
Posted By: BLR_0719

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 05:40 PM

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Posted By: BLR_0719

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Undecided
(much better than the Audi trash they peddle)

hey hey easy, quattro is the ****! On the autocross courses I couldn't spin my tires or spin my A4 out no matter how hard I tried
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 05:47 PM

Trash.
Posted By: hokie

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 06:12 PM

I think I saw you driving down the interstate last weekend, either that or one of the other two isotopes with the lightning bolt. You are definitely lucky to be able to keep it at your place.
Posted By: pepin

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 06:22 PM


I prefer the RWO plastic ones:

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Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by BLR_0719
Originally Posted by Undecided
(much better than the Audi trash they peddle)

hey hey easy, quattro is the ****! On the autocross courses I couldn't spin my tires or spin my A4 out no matter how hard I tried


Awesome, fellow autoxers! I've raced Corvettes, Audis, Subaru, BMWs and had a couple 1st gen MR2s as well. (I'm on car #17)

The varying awd systems really depend on which model of them you get, my Quattro A4 was better than the open differentialed AWD I had in my 2.5RS, but not nearly as cool as the AWD found in the WRX/STI.

I've pretty much stopped autocrossing though, got tired of standing in 100 degree parking lots, and my wife really wasn't into it. I now drive a 100hp Jetta TDI. Slow and boring but 50mpg is awesome.

Sailing is something we both enjoy, and when it gets hot its much easier to cool off smile

I just picked my boat up last night, so it musta been one of the other 2 lightning boats smile

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05 2.5RS
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Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 09:03 PM

someone's got a very expensive hobby BESIDES sailing....
Posted By: BLR_0719

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 09:12 PM

WRX's are almost too powerful for the autocross unless its a huge open course. We did a lot of events at the Atlanta Braves baseball stadium parking lot. The Miata drivers are probably the craziest people on the course. But other than an E36 M3, there wasn't another car I'd rather autox than my 2.8L A4 Quattro. Lets put that Vehicross between the cones and see what happens!
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Finally! - 08/21/09 10:34 PM

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Lets put that Vehicross between the cones and see what happens!


You'd be very, very surprised Brett.

The VX is more dirt track Rally than it is Autocross.
Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/24/09 12:56 AM

Well I got the tope out on the water today! Hit the launch area at 8:30 and by 9:15 we were on the water smile

The boat is a blast to sail! I definitly have some little issues to work out, with the windward jib cleating its hard to get much purchase on the jib sheet for the crew. I also need to come up with a better way to secure the jib tack up front, what have works, its just not ideal. Managed to get out solo a little bit as well, what a difference!

Only casualty of the day is the trampoline, apparently I am fat, or the stitching is just old and sunbaked. First tack we go from port to starboard and it split the seam from front to back, yanked it off tonight and am going to get it repaired this week.

Anyone know someone around Raleigh with a heavy duty sewing machine?

Pics to come soon smile
Posted By: Isotope235

Re: Finally! - 08/24/09 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by Storz
Well I got the tope out on the water today! Hit the launch area at 8:30 and by 9:15 we were on the water smile

Great news Ryan! Too bad you couldn't make the Nationals this weekend, but we're looking forward to Catfest.

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The boat is a blast to sail! I definitly have some little issues to work out, with the windward jib cleating its hard to get much purchase on the jib sheet for the crew. I also need to come up with a better way to secure the jib tack up front, what have works, its just not ideal. Managed to get out solo a little bit as well, what a difference!

There's a technique to getting the jib sheet all the way in, or you can switch to 2:1 purchase. I had 2:1 purchase for a while, but changed back because it's less line to haul in on each tack. I cah show you how I sheet the jib, and how to attach the tack at the lake.

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Only casualty of the day is the trampoline, apparently I am fat, or the stitching is just old and sunbaked. First tack we go from port to starboard and it split the seam from front to back, yanked it off tonight and am going to get it repaired this week.

Anyone know someone around Raleigh with a heavy duty sewing machine?

Joleen and Howard have heavy-duty sewing machines at Howard's loft in Raleigh. If you bring your trampoline over, she or Howard can work with you to restitch it.

Regards,
Eric
Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/24/09 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Isotope42
Anyone know someone around Raleigh with a heavy duty sewing machine?[/quote

Joleen and Howard have heavy-duty sewing machines at Howard's loft in Raleigh. If you bring your trampoline over, she or Howard can work with you to restitch it.


Awesome, where is the loft at? I would like to try to get it fixed during the week so we can use the boat again next weekend, I may call around a few places in Cary as well to see if they can do it - though I am doubtful I'll find anywhere...
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Finally! - 08/24/09 12:04 PM

Canvas shops, shoe repair places...
Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/24/09 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Undecided
Canvas shops, shoe repair places...


Shoe repair, hadn't thought of that, thanks.
Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/24/09 02:20 PM

Taking it up to a local shoe repair place at lunch, says he should be able to fix it no problem.
Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/24/09 11:02 PM

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Posted By: BLR_0719

Re: Finally! - 08/25/09 06:14 PM

An Isotope meeting the One Design class specifications can be raced as a single handed Formula 16 boat. An Isotope with a spinnaker can be raced with crew in the Formula 16 one up class.

Just trying to understand this. I guess one-up they consider the Jib to be the spin? (F16 max jib area = 3.7m sq, Isotope jib= about 4.2m sq // can't race F16 one-up with jib) And, since the difference between one or two up on an F16 is in the use of the jib with no variance to the class or rating, what exactly does "An Isotope with a spinnaker can be raced with crew in the Formula 16 one up class." mean?
Posted By: FasterDamnit

Re: Finally! - 08/25/09 06:39 PM

It means it was poorly written.

I think they mean it can race F16 if one man on boat, no jib, add spinnaker.
Posted By: Isotope235

Re: Finally! - 08/25/09 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by BLR_0719
An Isotope meeting the One Design class specifications can be raced as a single handed Formula 16 boat. An Isotope with a spinnaker can be raced with crew in the Formula 16 one up class.

Just trying to understand this. I guess one-up they consider the Jib to be the spin? (F16 max jib area = 3.7m sq, Isotope jib= about 4.2m sq // can't race F16 one-up with jib) And, since the difference between one or two up on an F16 is in the use of the jib with no variance to the class or rating, what exactly does "An Isotope with a spinnaker can be raced with crew in the Formula 16 one up class." mean?

F16 class rules allow you to sail singlehanded with main and gennaker, or doublehanded with main, jib, and gennaker. Although I can't find it in the class rules, I understand that the Isotope was grandfathered in (along with the Hobie 16 et. al.). I believe that would allow you to sail an Isotope single-handed with main and jib (rather than gennaker). I haven't looked, but a jib might fall within the measurement rules of the gennaker as well. An Isotope fitted with a gennaker could be raced 2-up with three sails (provided everything measured in).

There was an effort a while back to fit various local boats with spinnakers and race them in F16 Open Class. I bought a spin but never got around to rigging it. I doubt an Isotope would be truly competitive with a boat optimized for F16 class, but it would be fun to join in anyway.

Regards,
Eric
Posted By: Storz

Re: Finally! - 08/26/09 12:11 AM

Hmmm....Isotope with a spin smile Sounds like fun
Posted By: bulldogbarber

Re: Finally! - 08/26/09 03:58 AM

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I am going to pick up one of these tonight and see if I can rig it up.
Its almost identical in lenght to the Arriba FX3. What is the best way to attach these to the tiller?

http://www.homedepot.com/Paint-Brus...-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053



If you have an Ace Hardware locally, they make a painting extension that's built more like an Arriba than the one you're considering. The Ace version would allow you to adjust the length with one hand.
Posted By: pepin

Re: Finally! - 08/26/09 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Isotope42
Although I can't find it in the class rules, I understand that the Isotope was grandfathered in (along with the Hobie 16 et. al.).


The hobie 16? That was never grandfathered into the class! Grandfathering is dependent on your local F16 association.

Originally Posted by Isotope42
I believe that would allow you to sail an Isotope single-handed with main and jib (rather than gennaker). I haven't looked, but a jib might fall within the measurement rules of the gennaker as well.


No way. A jib is not a gennaker. The F16 box rules are really clear on what a gennaker is.
Posted By: Mark P

Re: Finally! - 08/26/09 10:09 AM

I think FasterDamit is on the right tracks. As I see it from previous posts single handed the ISO fits straight into the box rules (no jib). However, if you wanted to race with a crew (two up) you would want to rig the jib but the jib is 0.5m sq to big to fit into the box rule hence the confusion. Pepin is correct it is up to the discretion of the local association chairman to decide whether or not to Grandfather a boat. Here in the UK the Stealth R has been grandfathered and that has a larger jib than the F16 rules.
I have purposely left out mentioning the Spi as I didn't want to confuse the issue but would strongly recommend fitting one if you fancy racing as an Open F16. Or just enjoy the buzz of going downwind fast but before you buy anything just make sure your mast and platform will take the extra loads.
Posted By: Isotope235

Re: Finally! - 08/26/09 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by pepin
The hobie 16? That was never grandfathered into the class! Grandfathering is dependent on your local F16 association.
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No way. A jib is not a gennaker. The F16 box rules are really clear on what a gennaker is.

Well, since there is no local F16 association (as far as I can tell), this discussion is rather moot. I did sail with a Taipan 4.9 once and we raced on Portsmouth. I doubt there are many (if any) Isotopes racing where the F16 is popular either, as we are primarily a local fleet.

I had recalled the F16 rules being more inclusive with existing designs, but I must be mistaken. Too bad frown . I admit that I don't understand why, since the other designs wouldn't be as fast as a ground-up F16 boat anyway.
Posted By: pepin

Re: Finally! - 08/27/09 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Isotope42
Well, since there is no local F16 association (as far as I can tell)[...]


http://www.formula16.net/content/view/34/52/lang,en/
Posted By: pgp

Re: Finally! - 08/27/09 11:19 AM

http://www.gulfportyachtclub.com/ Come on down! We are hosting the "Global Challenge" in November and there is an annual event in April. Lots of F16s from all over.

I'm sure you'll need a spinnaker to be competitive.
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