Area D South

Who's in, beside me?

In.

Aye

When is it?

Nov. 21/22 at the Clearwater Sailing Center.

Weather should be perfect for Uni sailing.

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=33767

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxdetail/USFL0085?dayNum=4

We really like this event. Great sailing and usually big wind. I wish we could be there, but after leaving the kids for three weekends and one week, we'll not be making it. Have a great time and we'll see you all at the next buoy regatta - Tradewinds.

We will not be there...family obligations.

Ahhh, the reason it's not on my calendar...I'll be in Europe.

Where in Europe? Or are you going under-cover, so the Paparazi can't hound you?

If this post is supposed to attract people to a regatta.. it is very unclear what its about.. I see no other posts about it, neither in open forums nor the NOR forums.

as a non racer.. i have no clue what area i am in, what this event is, who its for... etc

as a non racer.. i have no clue what area i am in, what this event is, who its for... etc

Then don't worry about it...

surely not going to "help attract new blood/racers" like that...

I was messing with you. Being in Dunedin, FL, you are in AREA D, and I'm sure you know where Clearwater is.

I am also sure that anyone interested in qualifying for the Alter Cup is not "new Blood" and already knows what "The Area D qualifier" is, and what area they are in, but incase they do not, go to the US Sailing web site and look around.

Oh... so its an Alter Cup quilifier... thanks for not expaining that.. :p

now i know...

U.S. Multihull Championship
http://championships.ussailing.org/Adult/USMHChampionship.htm

Qualifiers for 2010
http://championships.ussailing.org/Adult/USMHChampionship/Area_Elimination__NOR.htm

Two days of Racing on beautiful Clearwater Beach, Florida! Participants
South Eliminations are eligible for qualification to compete in the US Multihull Championship for the
EARLY REGISTRATION DEADLINE: Saturday October 17
Schedule
November 21 0800 – 0930 Registration
0930 Skippers Meeting
1030 First Warning, More Races to Follow
November 22 1000 First Warning, More Races to Follow
ENTRY FEE: Postmarked or before
Postmarked after
Make checks payable to “Clearwater Community Sailing Center”
Entry includes shirts and dinner Saturday night
Send a completed entry form and entry fee to:
ELIGIBILITY for the Area D South Elimination:
catamarans under 22.5 feet in length having a current US Sailing Portsmouth Number. Boats with Pr
Portsmouth handicaps, e.g., those with brackets [ ] or parentheses ( ) around their rating, are ineligible to compete in
Area Eliminations. Only boats in their original One
Portsmouth “correction factors” are not allowed. US Sailing Membership (Skipper and Crew) is
Eligible to Compete in the Eliminations.
LOCATION: Set up on the public beach north of the sailing center
Accommodations: http://search.live.com/results.aspx
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT:
US Sailing Area D Representative: David Ingram(352) 636
Smalldog266@comcast.net
Clearwater Community Sailing Center:
Jerald D. Harris <jharris@harris-burgin.com>
FOR COMPLETE DETAILS PLEASE SEE THE NOTICE OF RACE.
Regatta Invitation
for the 2010 US Multihull
Championship
November 21 and 22, 2009
qualified for
Hobie Alter Cup.

Andrew: the US Multihull Championship for the Hobie Alter Cup is an invitation-only closed event. The participants are (mostly) chosen from the different US Sailing areas over the country by winning their local "qualifier". Being in Florida, you're in Area D (South). In order to qualify to sail in the championship in 2010, you need to win the qualifier in Clearwater Florida. This is the event they're talking about.

Sailing in the qualifier is not unlike sailing in any other regatta (except that all boats start at once and are scored only on handicap), its just that the winner (and if your area has the largest participation, the second place team) gets to go the championship.

... thanks for not expaining that.. :p



That's what I'm best at, just ask my wife.


For the interested parties, here's the entry form:


http://home.comcast.net/~smalldog266/2010_Eliminations_Notice_of_Race.pdf

Thanks guys... now i know

Good luck to all that are participating...

This year the Area D South qualifier is piggybacking on the Carlylse Classic Regatta that has been going on at the Clearwater Community Sailing Center for at least the past 5 years. I did sail the regatta in lasers 15 years ago when I was in college, but am not sure if cats were a part of the regatta in those times.

You ought to check out their site and consider participation yourself. Typically, the Carlisle Classic supports their Access Dingy Program, which is a very worthy cause.

There will be something 50-100 kids running around. It's pretty cool and the Saturday night dinner is always very good.


http://www.clearwatercommunitysailing.org/Index.shtml

i did it last year, it was very nice.

Anybody know what boat types they are going to use for the 2010 Alter Cup event ?

Is this known yet ?

Wouter

I'll ask around this weekend, but doubt any decisions have been made yet.

Maybe JC can get Hobie to supply 10 new Wildcats!

Andrew, there has been a forum thread:

http://www.catsailor.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=194933&page=1

There is an NOR in the NOR forum:

http://www.catsailor.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181852#Post181852

And I've sent SPAM to every sailor I have an email for.

Now the week before the event I get the impression that this event has caught everyone by surprise. Guys, I'm completely at a loss here. If I provide the information too early you either ignore it or forget it. If I provide it too late you know what you say.

Also if you have questions about the event my contact information is on the USSailing website and I'm happy to talk to anyone at length about a championship that I consider one of the finest in the nation, yes that is only my opinion and I'm not looking for a sh!t fight.

Also, it may be time for change in the Area Rep slot. I'll admit this task does take it out of you a little bit and my enthusiasm without a doubt is beginning to fade.

Regards,

David Ingram

USSailing Championship for the Hobie Alter Cup Area D Rep
.

David: You've done a great job and at some point I think you just have to stop worrying. Those of us that race will be there. The others. . .

I'd rather sail with three people who care about Alter Cup than 100 who don't. And frankly, I'd probably go to an exclusive, racers only website; citing your frustrations.

Area D south (and the Cup) are the highlight of my sports year. As long as it's held and I have a pulse I'll be there.

See you on the beach Friday?

David, thanks for setting me straight. Sorry about my oversight.

Pete my friend you and I will have to sit down had hoist a rummy this weekend. Maybe there is something to the whole 2012 thing.

Perhaps.

Wow....maybe we all CAN just get along!

There has been a lot of progress on this front, and NOTHING is offical until the USSailings Board of Directors meeting. Once ink has been put to paper you all will be happily notified.

I'd say "Group Hug", but I'm not in the circle of trust anymore..

You were warned and you did it anyway, there will be no sympathy provided today.

Picking on the Waves... BAD KARL! Yeah yeah they started....

Wait a minute.....I picked on no one. I was just defending my peeps.

Pimpin': Winds 7-9 for Saturday. Me likey.

They've been in the freezer for years, so I doubt they'd hurt much even with your boots!

But the Wave hijack does have me thinking... Two toddlers and dad should be able to handle that, right?

The older I get, the better the Getaway looks. Built in coolers, back rest . . .

Depends on how well behaved the DAD can be. Can he sit still? does he follow directions?

I'm married. This means that I have somewhat successfully passed the training in OBEY and can be housebroken at some point (dang that seat lid thing!)

perhaps its best you stick with a Bravo until you get the "seat lid" under control.. no one wants to sit on a boat with Mr. Leaky Pants

Yeah but you'd better hope you never have to wheel it around. The thing weights a metric shitton for its size.

Yes you were, and deep down you're my hero.

Well you've been slacking lately (especially now that you and Pete are all lovey-dovey). Someone has to carry the torch.

Carefull about the boats your dissing. I found out mine needs a 4 hour erection warning on it. If that's the case, your's will require at least 6!

Damn....what got into me today.

4 hour erection?

Shouldn't you be talking to your doctor about erections lasting longer than 4 hours while using Cialis?

Sorry, carry over from another thread that has me in a bit of a twist right now.

Never apologize. Its a sign of weakness :P

ha

ill be there Friday afternoon as well.

I don't which one of you b!tches have the good Karma working but keep it up.

FYI, 5 F18's committed, and one we haven't seen on the course in a while. I know this is an all out DPN battle but it's still nice to see the peeps as Karl says on the course.

Saturday
Southeast winds around 15 knots. Seas 2 to 4 feet. Bay and inland waters a moderate chop. Slight chance of showers.

Saturday Night
South winds around 15 knots. Seas 2 to 4 feet. Bay and inland waters a moderate chop. Slight chance of showers.

Sunday
Southwest winds around 15 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. Bay and inland waters a moderate chop. Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.

I would have scoffed. . . 'til I took up yoga.

hahahah!!!!

Results anyone?

Did the date/location for next fall get announced?

Ding will post the results, but as best I recall: 1- Alex Shafer/crew (sorry, didn't get her name), 2- Olly/Kelly Jason, 3- Robbie Daniel/Chris Prentice.

My sailing stunk but I had a good time anyway. Saturday was light and shifty. Sunday was brutal! We had fourteen boats on the line and eventually all came in except four boats; the three medal winners and the team of Dave Ingram and Mark Herrendeen. Ladies and gentleman, you're all a lot tougher than I am! Kudos. I was shocked when the PRO told me he recorded wind only in the 14-23 range. It felt much higher and at about the start of the second race, the waves started to build as well.

There was an impromptu discussion of The Alter Cup in general and Area D south specifically. I thought it was very helpful and positive. Those of you who don't participate are missing out.

There are two ACs in sailing; THE ALTER CUP and the America's charade. You can do one and talk about the other.

Cheers and happy Thanksgiving!


BTW- the single I20 was in it's glory! I'm not sure when they came in but sailed well.

Not so sure about the 14 to 23. I think the R/C needs to recalibrate their wind speed device. Here is a link to yesterdays wind at Pier 60 (about a mile north of the race area).

http://www.iwindsurf.com/windandwhe...5&days=1&Isection=Wind+Yesterday

Mr. Mac, that's a good question and I'm glad you asked.



Area D South Results

Of the 14 teams we only had 3 individuals that were not paid USSailing members, and opted not to join/renew.

I freaking forgot to announce the 2010 Elim location (Oldtimers is a bitch) so here you go:

The 2010 Area South Eliminations will be hosted by the fine folks at the Fort Walton Yacht Club, November 13 & 14! This a club with great facilities and they really go out of their way to treat the cat sailors well. You have 1 year to make your plans and work out your schedules.

Something interesting that I noticed at the regatta was a few folks I had never seen before. We had a new F18 team easily in their teens ( < 16 ) that will clearly be a force to deal with once they dial in Mosley's old boat, and a couple of A cat sailors I hadn't seen before as well.

To the sailors of ADs you did your area proud this past weekend kudo's to you all.

And Pete, the talk on the beach was good for me too.

David Ingram

USSailing Championship for the Hobie Alter Cup Area D Rep <- what a title aye, they make me say it.

The graph is mph, and Fairlie was probably quoting knots. 23 knots -> 26.4 mph

It was fun, fun, fun! Well, until the crash but even that was a low drama event. Although my coach (sweetness) chastised me for pushing it when 3rd was a lock and 2nd was out of reach. There really is no good response to the 'why' question.

FYI, the finishes in the last race are incorrect, it was Daniel, Shafer, Jason, Ingram. It doesn't change anything in the final placement.

Either way....it was freakin' windy. You have officially redeamed yourself from dropping out of Macho Man. Princess, well, he's still fair game!

I'm down with that. For the record spandex boy (Mark H) is my hero!

Awesome, great news that it is FWYC, bummer it's the same weekend as the Cuba Run. Curious, was the Cuba Run date taken into consideration?

Phillip,

It's difficult to find a weekend that works for everyone. You should note we didn't get a single sailor from the panhandle, AL, MS this year and there wasn't a conflict. The Area D elims are a regional event and a 5 hour drive time seems to be the cut off point. So within a 5 hour radius of FW how many will the ADs Elims lose to the CR and vice versa? Be honest.

This is why I like to see the full results: 5 different sailors,on three different boat types, took bullets. Number difference between 1st and 2nd was one point. 3rd place was 11 points back, but had to eat a dnf.

Box scores are great fun!

Ding, honestly I can only speak for myself, so the answer is one. I do believe that the CR will affect the turnout at FW, as several of the expected Gulf Coast racers have expressed their interest in doing the CR. What if Newkirk, Smith, Charlie, Boog, Altman, Lambert, Craig W., Joe P., myself, and others do the CR? The OA for CR is expecting 100 boats, mostly N20 and F18. I might question the number of expected boats racing at CR, but I don't doubt that there will be alot of N20's at CR. Remember, the panhandle is a target rich environment for N20's.

I hated that I didn't make the elims this weekend, just too much on my plate. Maybe similar things with the others. Alter cup, Global Challenge, then elims back to back was a travel strain for anybody, especially those of us as far as Birmingham, Memphis, etc.

So, I would guess that one would understand why I would even ask if the CR even show up on the radar? . .

I thought Cuban cigars were made of tobacco!

The OA

Wow.... by my count that is EVERY N20 and F18 that has done at least one race in the USA in the past year....

Events like Tybee and Steeplechase get oh... 20 boats or so... that's a far cry from 100.

Can he even come up with 100 names?... much less willing to do this kind of race.

Don't shoot the messenger Mark! I said I doubted his numbers.

So if I remember right, Alex won the Nacra 20 NA's, which would put Olli/Kelly in there for D-South, right? Knowing you're racing against national champs makes regatta racing math pretty interesting

Good showing Dennis on the N20! With that fleet of 7 F18's swarming around you it's remarkable that you were first to finish the first 3 races (and OCS in the 4th or maybe another first?)

sorry... I did not notice that. Well, I wish him luck and hope his budget does not rest on 100 boats. That is a recipe for another Worrel 1000 fiasco.

I should see all if not most of the names you mentioned at the Tradewinds this year and I'll get a better feel of what intentions really are there. If what you say does look like a possibility I'll consider moving the date around. Experience has taught me that "I'm thinking about it", is the same as "maybe" which is the same as...

Phillip, you haven't been to the elims for the last three years, maybe more. So, when you say we will lose you you can see where I might have my doubts, right?

Dave

Not necessarily. Nacra and Hobie arbitrarily choose their Champions to represent them and the AC Conditions document only provides recommendations on how to select those sailors. The manufacturers can choose whomever they want. Nacra typically chooses the winning skipper from their largest class at their North American Championship. Last year it was actually the Inter 17's that got the initial Nacra nod. Hobie doesn't necessarily follow the largest class recommendation but they do pick someone from the top of one of their North American class championships.

So, the results should indicate 11 boats? How is that an "option?" That's one of those "eligibility" rules from the NOR, right?


Interesting, they want to throw their name in there, but fail to mention multihulls?

Mike

The title of the event is actually the U.S. Multihull Championship for the Hobie Alter Cup. US SAILING's name is not in the title.

Some weeks back you noted that only about 50 people are paid up Golden Anchor members. I was surprised to hear that, but even more surprised to hear, at Clearwater, that some people who've been around a long time don't know what the Golden Anchor program is for.

If you wouldn't mind, one more time. . .

John is spot on there and it was MY BAD, titles are such a hassle! Sorry if I have ruffled any feathers.

Right...I am a USSailing member but not a Golden Anchor.

I think you (JW) expained this awhile back, but I wasn't paying attention as usual.

How do you convert an existing membership?

Yes, you must be a current USSailing member to be eligible but we've never turned anyone away that wanted to sail and didn't want to be a member of USSailing. The Area D South results turned in to the AC committee only reflect the 11 eligible teams.

All the results turned in are reviewed for membership status at the time of the elimination. This does have a fairly dramatic impact on lot of the data that is turned in.

The area reps are given a fair amount of latitude in how they hold their eliminations. Some eliminations are stand alone events and some are in conjunction with preexisting events. As long as the minimum criteria is met the event is good to go.

Mike, I'm curious about your interest in the AC elims. You were kind of down on the AC a while back, are you softening your position?

Dave

I was down on the AC? I really don't remember that. Was it just a particular detail?

The membership issue has always been a problem, historically even here in Area A. The Olympic decision turned a lot of people here on CS off from USSA.

I am a GA member of USSA, and always make a Youth donation, so I'm personally not against joining (I don't like the Olympic decision).

The sticky part for the OA is what to do with the non-conforming boats (not meeting eligibility). It can be considered that having them on the same starting line as the "real" competitors can be unfair to those actually competing for the title (ROW, collisions, etc. could affect the results).

It's somewhat less of an issue if they're in a different start on the same course, because then it's just like any other mixed event. BUT, since these are supposed to be eliminations for a USSA championship, they should be held to a "higher standard", and an argument can be made that this should be conducted on a course free from any other racing. Not to say it can't be combined with another event, just that the racing should be done on separate circles.

I know, the reality is that the numbers are probably not going to support that in most areas, but that's my impression of what is expected.

Mike

Mike, I can't and won't disagree with anything you've said there. Ideally that's the way it should be done. So far I haven't received any complaints about the ineligibles being on the course but it just might be the rope waiting to hang me you never know. I can usually a$$hole up with the best of them but telling someone there is no love for non-members, man that would be tough.

"...telling someone there is no love for non-members, man that would be tough."

That's a perception that needs to change. This is a special event, and has special rules. It's not a typical weekend fun event. It's actually less fair to those who do join to allow this practice (although most would probably not complain).

I know, no good deed goes unpunished...

Mike

No, wrong. You asked me to be honest. I was. There would be no doubt about losing me or not, and that ain't really the point. It is a choice I have to make, Cuba Run vs. my chances of winning my area qualifier. I look at the Cuba Run as an opportunity of a lifetime (item checked off of the 'ole bucket list). I look at my chances of winning the elims a long shot. Additionally, I usually follow through on my commitments.

I plan to be at Steeplechase and Tradewinds, so I would like to hear everyones thoughts on this. The question is, is the Cuba Run going to be the real deal? It does seem like it is not being taken too seriously. . .

I'm guessing that nobody probably knew the date of the Cuba Run when the elim date was picked. My original question was simple, was the Cuba Run date taken into consideration? It was a fair assumption that it might have been an oversite.

Pete, here's the info on the Golden Anchor program, on their web site you can click and join with a credit card.

http://membership.ussailing.org/Membership_Options/Golden_Anchor.htm

I thought there was a way to identify yourself as a multihull sailor via the Golden Anchor program. Was I wrong, again?

Eeeww- Multihull sailor? What is a multihull sailor?