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Posted By: Isotope235

Bullets - 08/26/10 04:07 PM

The Isotope Nationals are coming up this weekend, so I made these keychains to give out to the winning skipper of each race. Take a bullet - get a bullet. Each cartridge is laser-marked "Isotope Nationals 2010" where the "I" is replaced by the Isotope sail logo. I made them in a variety of calibers. From top to bottom: 5.56 NATO (a.k.a. 223 Remington), 7.62x39mm, 243 Winchester, 7.62 NATO (a.k.a. 308 Winchester), and 30-06 Springfield.

I hope they make the event even more fun.

Regards,
Eric


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Posted By: brucat

Re: Bullets - 08/26/10 04:10 PM

Yikes...

Fleet 204 has the best bullet tradition I've ever seen... Bullet Shots! Skipper and crew must do a shot (rum, I think) for every race they win.

Mike
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Bullets - 08/26/10 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Isotope42
The Isotope Nationals are coming up this weekend, so I made these keychains to give out to the winning skipper of each race. Take a bullet - get a bullet. Each cartridge is laser-marked "Isotope Nationals 2010" where the "I" is replaced by the Isotope sail logo. I made them in a variety of calibers. From top to bottom: 5.56 NATO (a.k.a. 223 Remington), 7.62x39mm, 243 Winchester, 7.62 NATO (a.k.a. 308 Winchester), and 30-06 Springfield.

I hope they make the event even more fun.

Regards,
Eric


Nice Work Eric!

Damn, now I have to find an Isotope for sale...
Posted By: mikeborden

Re: Bullets - 08/26/10 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by brucat
Yikes...

Fleet 204 has the best bullet tradition I've ever seen... Bullet Shots! Skipper and crew must do a shot (rum, I think) for every race they win.

Mike


When do you do the shots? During racing or after?

If you get 5 bullits in one day, that's one heck of a hangover for me the next day....

I'm a LIGHTWEIGHT!

Just ask Timbo!

Mike
Posted By: Kennethsf

Re: Bullets - 08/26/10 06:13 PM

haha, I first thought this was a joke- I think that americans don't realize how typical US of A this is..
It would be so not done anywere outside America
Posted By: brucat

Re: Bullets - 08/26/10 07:50 PM

At the end of the day, usually at the regatta party (sometimes at the RVs)...

We're all getting too old / lightweight. In the old days, they used to do these shots on both Sat and Sun, now it's just at the Sat party (if anyone remembers).

If it's a week-long event, it's every day, especially the last!

I consider one of my top 5 sailing achievements to be having earned a bullet shot (once) at a Division 16 regatta, racing in Hobie 16, A fleet.

BTW, there really aren't a lot of people getting 5 bullets in one day in that fleet...

Mike
Posted By: mbounds

Re: Bullets - 08/26/10 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Kennethsf
haha, I first thought this was a joke- I think that americans don't realize how typical US of A this is..
It would be so not done anywere outside America


Yeah, try going through an airport with your keys on that.

At one Hobie 16 NAs, they gave out the shotgun shell that marked your victorious race - on a little wooden base with the race number on it. That was cool.
Posted By: John Williams

Re: Bullets - 08/26/10 08:25 PM

Bert Rice did that for the Pensacola Beach Alter Cup, too - it was neat to have the shotgun shell with the race number and time written on it. Cool idea.

Of course, then Lloyd went and shot himself in the butt...
Posted By: cyberspeed

Re: Bullets - 08/26/10 11:38 PM

Doing shots of rum for a win on the water is a great handicap system!
Posted By: Isotope235

Re: Bullets - 08/27/10 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Kennethsf
It would be so not done anywere outside America

Does that mean that outside the USA, "bullet" is not a slang term meaning a first place finish, or that Americans are not as hoplophobic as Europeans?
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Bullets - 08/27/10 01:48 AM

Eric- Badass! You need a .50cal for when somebody pulls off a miracle win.


Originally Posted by Kennethsf
haha, I first thought this was a joke- I think that americans don't realize how typical US of A this is..
It would be so not done anywere outside America


At first I thought you were joking, then I just realized you're another smug European.
Posted By: catman

Re: Bullets - 08/27/10 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Kennethsf
haha, I first thought this was a joke- I think that americans don't realize how typical US of A this is..
It would be so not done anywere outside America


The real "funny" part is, we're made up of all the people of the world. Chew on that for a while. Then ask us if we care.

Nice idea Eric.
Posted By: arbo06

Re: Bullets - 08/27/10 02:02 AM

Bravo! Those are awesome. Very creative, original and relevant.

Good on ya!
Posted By: bullswan

Re: Bullets - 08/27/10 05:18 PM

very creative and unique.
I'd like to win one...........
Good point Mike. But those that came here and those that stayed "home" are two different breeds. That's what makes us different.
Posted By: Luiz

Re: Bullets - 08/27/10 09:49 PM

Are those live? That would be interesting...
Posted By: 45degApparent

Re: Bullets - 08/27/10 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Isotope42

Does that mean that outside the USA, "bullet" is not a slang term meaning a first place finish, or that Americans are not as hoplophobic as Europeans?


Here are the statistics, %age of households with guns.

United States 39
Norway 32
Canada 29.1
Switzerland 27.2
Finland 23.2
France 22.6
New Zealand 22.3
Australia 19.4
Belgium 16.6
Italy 16
Sweden 15.1
Spain 13.1
Germany7 8.9

ref: http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvinco.html

Clearly people in other countries have guns at home. The swiss horde automatic weapons at home!
Please drop the "We are different and better" crap. That is kindergarten stuff.

Now, using ammunition for this purpose? Not something you would see outside the US or banana republics. I did not even imagine we would see it in the US until today. Nicely done, but a terrible idea even if the word "bullet" is commonly used all over for scoring one point.
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Bullets - 08/27/10 11:09 PM

If the primer, and powder have been removed, is it still a munition?

Why is it a terrible idea? I'm just curious.
Posted By: hobie1616

Re: Bullets - 08/27/10 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by 45degApparent
The swiss horde automatic weapons at home!

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the Rekrutenschule (German for "recruit school"), the initial boot camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel or the SIG 510 rifle and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home with a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm), which is sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use takes place. The ammunition are intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.

When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.
Posted By: IndyWave

Re: Bullets - 08/28/10 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Kennethsf
haha, I first thought this was a joke- I think that americans don't realize how typical US of A this is..
It would be so not done anywere outside America


Maybe he's referring to wasting good ammo; since in most countries, it is neccessary for settling elections (or in lieu of elections).
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Bullets - 08/28/10 02:11 PM

Hey Eric,

Did you pass this idea through the EPA? Since youknow, they're trying to ban lead (Pb) based ammunition?
Posted By: Luiz

Re: Bullets - 08/29/10 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by 45degApparent

Here are the statistics, %age of households with guns.

United States 39
Norway 32
Canada 29.1
Switzerland 27.2
Finland 23.2
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.



There is at least one country with weapons in more households in % than the US: Israel, but they live in a problematic neighborhood.
Posted By: Tony_F18

Re: Bullets - 08/29/10 08:34 AM

IMHO that report is bogus, it says 1,9% of Dutch households have guns.
Since you are not allowed to have a gun here under any circumstance I highly doubt those statistics are correct.
There are people who have guns in their house because they are members of a shooting club, but they are not allowed to have ammo, they can only shoot at the range for which membership is mandatory for anyone who has a license.
Having been in Israel once, I was shocked to see how many people wear guns (no toy guns either, .45s or something).
Posted By: Stewart

Re: Bullets - 08/29/10 03:22 PM

the Australian stats are also problematic. To calculate who has legal weapons in is difficult since the states do not give out the numbers. The closest one can find is the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) believed there were less than 9% of households having a firearm. The numbers in proportion would be higher in the farming areas as opposed to city.
Posted By: TEAMVMG

Re: Bullets - 08/29/10 03:44 PM

I see that the UK doesn't register in the statistics, everything that goes bang or is a bit sharp is banned here!

GBR competitors even have to go to France to practice some Olympic sports!

we would still kick anyones arses in a fight tho'
Posted By: pepin

Re: Bullets - 08/29/10 05:11 PM

The French numbers are also utterly ridiculous. The gun laws in France are draconian. I don't know who compiled these statistics, but they can't be correct.
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Bullets - 08/29/10 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by TEAMVMG
I see that the UK doesn't register in the statistics, everything that goes bang or is a bit sharp is banned here!

GBR competitors even have to go to France to practice some Olympic sports!

we would still kick anyones arses in a fight tho'



Well, don't bring a knife to a gunfight, if you come over here, they'll be shooting.
Posted By: Kennethsf

Re: Bullets - 08/29/10 08:02 PM

well, and that is why we all love your country... [for your good sense of humor that is]
Posted By: JeffS

Re: Bullets - 08/29/10 10:11 PM

The laws and attitudes to guns changed in Aus when we had dickheads killing as many people as they could to set a record. The breaking point was the guy that went to a tourist spot and shot over 30 people including a mother and baby girl with one shot. When they caught him he asked if he had set the record for the most killed. It shocked our whole nation and now its even against the law to hold a cartridge unless you have a gun licence. My kids know how to shoot and gun safety but if they took one of my empty cartridges to school there would be a big drama.
Posted By: Don_Atchley

Re: Bullets - 08/29/10 10:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY3TfjOeuhM

The Deadshits turned this into a gun control thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSEgeg-3ts0

That bullet for a bullet is an awesome idea! And if it's only appreciated in the U.S.; then so be it. Even better.
If you're not in favor of this idea, then come up with a better one for your area and share it. Don't piss all over someones attempt to grow the sport. Lots of work and passion probably went into making those. And you can bet they aren't free.

Nice work people.

Posted By: JeffS

Re: Bullets - 08/29/10 11:05 PM

As a gun owner, I never said it was a bad idea I only explained with facts why it wouldn't be allowed here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Bullets - 08/30/10 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by hobie1616
Originally Posted by 45degApparent
The swiss horde automatic weapons at home!

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the Rekrutenschule (German for "recruit school"), the initial boot camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel or the SIG 510 rifle and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home with a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm), which is sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use takes place. The ammunition are intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.

When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.


they are trained in 100 ways to kill you with that little toothpick that comes in the swiss army knife as well
Posted By: Stewart

Re: Bullets - 08/30/10 06:54 AM

If it works for Americans so be it..
Posted By: Tony_F18

Re: Bullets - 08/30/10 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by andrewscott

they are trained in 100 ways to kill you with that little toothpick that comes in the swiss army knife as well

...and another 100 ways with that little magnifying glass.
Posted By: Isotope235

Re: Bullets - 08/30/10 02:12 PM

Lighten up guys - it's just a play on words.

Originally Posted by Luiz
Are those live?

No. There's no powder nor primers in the cartridges.

Originally Posted by JeffS
...now its even against the law to hold a cartridge unless you have a gun licence.

Ok, hoplophobia then.

Originally Posted by mbounds
Yeah, try going through an airport with your keys on that.

Well, TSA tried to confiscate Gen. Joe Foss's Congressional Medal of Honor too. I guess that just proves that the USA is not exempt from irrational behavior either.

Originally Posted by Undecided
Did you pass this idea through the EPA? Since youknow, they're trying to ban lead (Pb) based ammunition?

Speaking of irrational behavior...

Originally Posted by Timbo
Damn, now I have to find an Isotope for sale.

That's the most intelligent statement I've seen so far! grin It just so happens that I know where there's one for sale wink

Seriously though, we had great winds, 15 boats, and 5 outsanding races over two days. John Norton (who usually races a thistle) came down from Raleigh to be the PRO and did an excellent job. The Waccamaw Sailing Club opened their grounds for us and put on a fabulous steak and fish dinner. The bullet keychains went over well, although I only managed to give away two of them.

Regards,
Eric
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Bullets - 08/30/10 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Eric- Badass! You need a .50cal for when somebody pulls off a miracle win.




My dad has a spent casing (brass) from a H&H .700 NE "big game" round that his tour chaperone test fired for them while on a trip to the dark continent a decade or so ago. (I think he said it was truck mounted, but offered in a double rifle configuration for the truly massochistic). It was apparently intended for charging elephants in the African bush, which seems to be more of a problem these days since the elephant population has rebounded somewhat (and they have lost their fear of humans, are running out of habitat, etc).

In any case, THAT should be the "bullet award" for the miracle win - especially if the likelihood of a repeat is non-existent (sort of like a "follow-up shot" using the .700 mag. I suspect you'd have a broken shoulder on the first shot.) I think there is something like 19,000 J of energy from that round. The bullet is 1000 grain weight
Posted By: mbounds

Re: Bullets - 08/31/10 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Eric- Badass! You need a .50cal for when somebody pulls off a miracle win.




My dad has a spent casing (brass) from a H&H .700 NE "big game" round that his tour chaperone test fired for them while on a trip to the dark continent a decade or so ago. (I think he said it was truck mounted, but offered in a double rifle configuration for the truly massochistic). It was apparently intended for charging elephants in the African bush, which seems to be more of a problem these days since the elephant population has rebounded somewhat (and they have lost their fear of humans, are running out of habitat, etc).

In any case, THAT should be the "bullet award" for the miracle win - especially if the likelihood of a repeat is non-existent (sort of like a "follow-up shot" using the .700 mag. I suspect you'd have a broken shoulder on the first shot.) I think there is something like 19,000 J of energy from that round. The bullet is 1000 grain weight


That's not a bullet. It's an artillery round.
Posted By: Codblow

Re: Bullets - 08/31/10 03:23 PM

You guys are pussys . In our club we shoot the winning boat eventually sinks if it wins too many races , pefect handicap system. [img]http://picasaweb.google.com/oneforthewebsite/DropBox#5511593674707335218[/img]
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Bullets - 08/31/10 04:31 PM

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There you go Codblow.
Posted By: Seeker

Re: Bullets - 08/31/10 05:25 PM

Funny this topic came up...on ship shape TV yesterday they had a program on defense against pirates. They even had one of the Mossberg's there with their array of weapons, and took the viewer on a trip through their factory.

The law enforcement expert on the show suggesting putting a round through the hull just below the water line angled downward so it made two holes...one in the side and one in the bottom as it exited. They seemed to ignore the fact that many boats have closed cell foam flotation in the bottom. Good luck with that technique on a Boston Whaler.

The weapon of choice was a 12 gauge shooting riffled slugs. After the shot to the hull you were to follow up with two rounds to the engines so they couldn't follow you...they didn't say anything about how to do this while the "bad" guys are spraying you down with automatic weapon fire from an AK47 ...LOL

Since Cats don't have engines I guess if you are a really good shot (Ex Navy SEAL), two slugs to the mast base or chain plates might suffice in lou of the engines...

Regards,
Bob
Posted By: Codblow

Re: Bullets - 09/01/10 09:43 AM

cheers undecided , cant get grip of putting in photos .

bullet holes hide dents in foam sanwich too , so the two time winner of above was gratefull of my attentions
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Bullets - 09/01/10 02:47 PM

Did someone say pirates?
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