America's Cup Cascais Coverage

The wind is terribly light at the moment in Cascais, but the video feed is excellent and very viewable!

www.americascup.com

the light wind is making things a ~little~ slow....great time to splice some back-up spin sheets and kite halyards in front of the computer.

Need more wind.

I can't wait to see this in more breeze. The onboard audio and video is great. Still very entertaining even though the wind is around 5knots.

Agree

I presume they'll have similar coverage tomorrow. Looks like racing starts an hour later on Sunday...10am est. (I'm not completely certain)

They start an hour later tomorrow.
Really liking the X40 with the big outboards:

Thank's Jake for posting the "link" .... I enjoyed the coverage .... (but now I'm going to show my ignorance) ...

... WHERE IS CASCAIS LOCATED ??? ....

I kept on waiting for one of the commitators to explain ... but no-one ever did ..... looks like a nice place for a vacation ... but where is it????

Harry

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.697277,-9.421756&z=12&t=h&hl=en

Portugal

Cool coverage today! Man, Mitch Booth looks a little unkempt lately.

Wow! I thought Tnz carried that tack a little too close to shore.

the speed runs are pretty cool. Wish we could see some stats stack up on a board as they finish.

http://www.americascup.com/en/Competition/

Later this week, we move onto the fleet series/elimination that feeds the match racing events. Racing (and I presume continued online coverage) starts at 9:10am EST on Wed (Aug 10th) through Friday (Aug 12th). Thankfully, my iPad is connected to our guest WiFi network that doesn't block YouTube! ;-)

There's a bunch of stuff on youtube, but you have to dig around. It shows onboard footage of the races, so you get a sailors perspective.

Dude, that's Cowes. But it looks like the makings of a G-R-E-A-T rules thread.

LOL....wrong thread!

For the second time today...

Had a great time watching the AC45 coverage. Plugged the Xoom's HDMI into the home theatre and made a nice morning out of it.

I just finished doing the same. It's great to watch sailing on tv, even if it's not technically on tv.

Is there a schedule for the rest of the events anywhere?

this is the kind of sail-porn I need on Monday! The onboard cam is great, and you can do the tactical map with laylines and speed overlays in the summary video...

http://www.americascup.com/en/Event...-portugal/ACWS---Cascais-Event-Schedule/

Jay, it may be porn but it's classy porn.

hey, what's the blinky thing (red) on the beam?

warning signal for the course boundary

It lets them know if they are outside the (virtual) course. No bouys.

I don't think I want to be on the French team... But it was funny to see Loik light the fag before the first race...

I had a heck of a time finding the schedule the first time...
http://www.americascup.com/en/Event...-portugal/ACWS---Cascais-Event-Schedule/

Well...it lets them know as they approach the boundary (wouldn't be much help if it just let you know when you were outside it). It blinks faster and faster as they near the boundary line and turns solid when they go past it (and they get a penalty). They also have some sort of distance readout because I hear them call the distance to the boundary - but I'm not sure what that device is or where it is located. The race committee also appears to have the ability to reprogram the devices when they reset the course. I suspect that the red blinky on the boat actually gets it's signal from race command - where the GPS signals from the boats are processed in the judges command room (where they monitor the extremely precise GPS data/course map for penalties and reduce the need for on the water judges).

They were also experimenting with anchor-less mark boats that use thrusters and gps units to maintain position. I presume they're using this because I didn't see any anchor rodes on the mark boats (that I noticed). Feed all this back to a central computer station and all the devices get tied together with the same data. Pretty cool.

Thanks Jake. I see that the next stop is the UK in September, but I don't see a schedule for those races or where they go after that.

Ahhh...well...I banged around on there for a while myself and couldn't find any mention of anything past Cascais...so dunno.

http://www.americascup.com/en/Discover/Race-Format/The-AC-World/


"The America's Cup World Series could continue beyond the 34th America's Cup, allowing for a regular calendar of Cup racing to the benefit of sailors, fans, teams, and all stakeholders.

2011-2012 America’s Cup World Series Schedule*

Event One: Cascais, Portugal, 6 – 14 August
Event Two: Plymouth, England, 10 - 18 September
Event Three: San Diego, 12-20 November

*The remaining schedule will be revealed by October 2011."

Lest we forget:

What is the EST time for a 2:00 start in Cascai?

9am, which is IMO actually better then the 3pm over here.

Anyone else going to the Plymouth event?

I'm confused...which is pretty easy lately...Is it going on and being streamed now?

It will be on Wednesday...its Tuesday today.

Ahhh, so it is Tuesday. Thanks. Since I'm note racing tonight, I totally forgot today is Tuesday.

Therein rests the answer to all your problems .

That sounded like the case! ;-)

Light wind in Cascais, racing postponed until 16:00 their time. 11:00 EST.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclo...;min=0&sec=0&p1=1420&p2=2123

Thanks for the conversion...since I didn't race last night I'm continuing to have a hard time today with that type of stuff...I did make some pretty good coffee, better get some more...I should be better tomorrow, since I'll be watching my daughter making the other teams girls cry on the lax field tonight...maybe we should put her in football.

Is the stream active? I can't get it here at work and I'm afraid that while I could get to regular YouTube that I can't get to their streaming service through our firewall.

http://www.americascup.com/en/Events/2011-2012-world-series/2011-cascais-portugal/Live/ seems to be working for me if thats the feed

well...poop on a stick. I can't even stream it to my phone over 3G. I guess I'll have to wait for the recap video.

Spithill with the win by 10+ boat lengths. TNZ stuck way out on the left with a bad shift, starts last finishes third (I think).

Light air in the beginning building late (no white caps), boats flying hulls after bearing away at the last weather mark. Clear skies, beautiful day for sailing.

should've got a Droid

Couts in a collision at the start of race 2.

leg 3/6 spithill leads artemis by 3 boat lenghts

leg 4/6 spithill splits tacks with artemis

Artemis took the lead downhill with a 30m lead.

artemis over takes spithill

cayard aboard artemis

Korea 3rd @ 0:45s, ETNZ just behind.

leg 5/6 artemis leads spithill by 40 meters

halfway artems by 60 meters

Team Korea get 3rd, impressive.

artemis by 4 boat lengths. spotty wind.

http://www.americascup.com/en/Event...cascais-portugal/Results-and-Highlights/

4 boats over early incl ETNZ, OR5, China, GC.

leg 3/6 KOREA by 100+ meters spithill 2nd

leg 4/6 Korea by 100+ meters sailing away! next 4 boats very close.

halfway korea by 270!

5/6 korea well ahead, fleet splits

ETNZ closing fast on Korea.

slow tack by korea TNZ closing in!

korea tacks back to cover...

TNZ BY 20 METERS! korea was ahead by 300 meters

TNZ tacks into safe leeward, 20 meters

TNZ over Korea by 20 seconds.

tough break for Korea, looked like they sailed into light air in the midde of the course.

How bad?

no damage but a penalty.

just a bump..

..that you could hear!

ETNZ thought they were OCS and went back, turns out they were'nt.
Match race will be between ETNZ and Spithill.

WAIT! You can see it on your phone!?

crap...youtube streaming is flash. stupid apple.

Wow, dial down by Spithill after he took the lead again on the upwind!

Ridiculously close at the top mark! Side by side.

4/6 even!

OH! IT'S KILLING ME! {fist shaking in the air staring at the ceiling} Damn you apple!

This stream works fine on iphones and ipad. Youtube is builtin to iOS.
Whats the problem?

Tried going to http://www.youtube.com/live?

I can't even follow it at home. What a pita!

ETNZ won the match race by a big margin, great race to watch though.

I want a few of those screen shots as desktop wallpaper

Live stream has ended. Looks like it's back to work for me...

Regular YouTube videos do (I believe they use HTML5 for video)...but their streaming feeds are apparently flash based...which will not work on iOS devices. I've tried the youtube.com/live URL and can't get any of the feeds there to load (but I can view any other normal YouTube video). I get a slashed-out play button when viewing a live stream YouTube window on Americascup.com or an eternally spinning "loading" icon on the YouTube live site.

So was the match racing good? I was really interested in seeing how that worked out.

Yeh, from what I could tell. They split tacks several times and Spithill zigged when he should have zagged. ETNZ pulled away about half way up the course on the last leg to windward.

Boat speed seemed identical.

All in all I think it was a hell of a lot more competitive than any AC racing I've seen.

I was watching the AC coverage live over 3G on the iphone from the car
during the drive home (yeah probably not the safest way to watch) and at home on the ipad waiting for my laptop to boot.
Cant get any of the current YT Live stuff to play though, maybe some sort of temporary technical problem going on at YT now.

The matchrace was awesome, on the last downwind leg Spithill made a mistake which cost him a lot of meters.
Fleetraces where good too, good performance by Korea.

I'm with Elmo - The matchrace was awesome,

Was it downwind? My cable was so bad I could only get 2 second glimpses.

A new word: wobbly.

Pete Greenhalgh, Energy Team, on a ‘wobbly’ day: “We got a penalty from Spithill at the first mark as we were rounding first and he was just inside us. He was very aggressive in luffing us. We had let the wing go, nothing left to do. We were on the wobble, about to fall in. Very close. As soon as you let the wing go and there’s no flow, then it works against you, it’s dead weight, it will pull you in. Two wobbles today. A capsize would have been embarrassing.”

The new Ac twitterfeed is good for anyone not able to watch live: http://twitter.com/#!/AC34Races

What time do they start today?

Now. Course is being changed due to light air.

China, in the lead, blew there Jenny set, then lost the halyard lock.

Just learned that my fellow Texan, the famous Charlie Ogletree is running the main on china's boat, w/ M Booth helm.

NZ takes race 1

Wow, those boats are magnificent.

So, what happened to China Team on the penalty?

They have to stay in the boundaries, right?
Then isn't that an obstruction?, and they had to tack, making anyone on St. behind must tack also?

And a slow sown time penalty on the water? wow

Watched the replay, looked they they could have held their course and cleared, guess not.

I like the helmits also. Makes it more of an 'extreme sport.

Is something different? Why didn't Korea head Energy up?
They were leeward.

I'm sorry, but I see some rookie sailhandling.

Americas Cup match race, and you're over early?

'em boats are quick and don't stop well...those monohull guys (the ones without much multi-hull time) are learning a thing or two.

They're gorgeous too! This is a paradigm shift, I hope.

I emailed a link to one of the local TV stations, maybe they'll take a look.

The boundary is only an obstruction for 3 boat lengths, China was more than 3 boat lengths away an so normal port/starboard rule in effect.

I liked yesterday's match racing more than today's. It was closer.

what is that tail sticking up at off the rear beam of each catamaran?

I think that's one of the onboard cameras.

It is a communication pod. In addition to housing a high resolution GPS receiver, I believe it houses the antennae to communicate with race committee (the digital data variety), video and audio, and also supports a forward looking tilt/pan/zoom camera.

cool, thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWlYMxm1mTM&feature=player_detailpage

Man, four hours of sail porn. say goodnight, Gracie!

hey, why does team China's jib look like it's cut differently than everyone elses (especially Oracle 4&5)?

'Cause they picked the wrong one for the conditions and didn't have time to switch. Part of the learning curve.

I think Oracle 4&5 are using North's 3Di sails. (all fiber and resin, with no membrane)

There are a few 3di sails there besides Oracles also.

I think the jibs and genoas are open to whatever they want to design...can anyone confirm?

As long as it fits the rules:

http://www.americascup.com/en/Latest/Blog/2011/8/Morning-Briefing-110812/

Morning briefing:

Posted on 12 August 2011

Please refresh your browser to get the latest from Cascais...

1140 - Big news announcing partnership between YouTube and the 34th America's Cup. You'll be able to check out our new multi-stream player today.

1130 - Check out wing trim expert Dirk 'Cheese' de Ridder explain how the wing sail works.

1045 - And here are highlights from yesterday.

0940 - Check out these interviews from after racing yesterday...

Vasilij Zbogar, skipper, Green Comm Racing
Mitch Booth, skipper, China Team
Dean Barker, skipper, Emirates Team New Zealand
Terry Hutchinson, skipper, Artemis Racing

0930 - At his briefing with skippers this morning, Principal Race Officer John Craig told the teams he intends to run the full schedule of racing today - three fleet races, followed by three match races.

0835 - Check out Dean Barker talking about racing multihulls here.

0830 - First, let's start with the forecast: Northeasterly winds this morning will ease and give way to a building Northwesterly this afternoon.

At start time of 1410, the forecast is for patchy winds in the 7 to 10 knot range. But these will become more solid over the course of the afternoon, eventually building to 15-20 Northwesterlies by 1700.

can someone remind me of the max speed last AC had in place? and what was the top speed (est) that was acheived racing (with these limits in place... not testing)

thanks

I think maybe the monohull AC boats would get to 10 or 11 knots downwind?

how do I get YouTube to stream on my Vizio internet ready TV?

All I seem to have access to is Yahoo! apps crap (but not the internet browser itself)

I can't say how cool it is at the office with the 25Mbps pipe. I can watch the feed on the 50" flatscreen and it really looks like TV!

no i mean last AC with the cat and Tri. didn't they have a 15 knot limit and speeds around 40knots at that speed?

that dial-up (Oracle/Artemis) was intense.. I need some Blood pressure medication!

Who won Oracle/Emerites? I missed the last 2 legs.

Emirates. What's with the "dial down"? I never heard of it before.

I believe in match racing, you are allowed to hunt the other boat, but it appears, in this case, to have backfired.

Yep! I thought something had broken on Spithills boat.

I just finished reading Dean Barker's coments from the above link, if you have not, take a minute and see what he says.

I went through the same learning process when I transitioned from racing mono dinghys to cats, and it has taken me years to get "up to speed" in cats, so to speak, which is why, when the new AC Multihull teams were announced, I was surprised ETNZ (and some others) were trying to convert life-long mono-drivers to cat drivers, in such a short time.

I would have thought all the teams would have chosen from the pool of life-long multihull drivers, who already have the "basic instincts" to race a big cat fast upwind and down, vs. trying to train up a newbie. My thoughts were piqued again when I saw that VX 40 collision at Cowes.

I realise the AC teams are putting in a lot of time learning on these boats, vs. the rest of us weekend hacks, but still, why isn't Randy Smyth driving for one of these teams, or is he but I just haven't heard his name yet?

Dunno, ETNZ has Ashby handling sails.

A number of noticeable names missing from the picture; Randy, Bundy, Mischa amongst some others.

Note that guys like Barker, Spithill have been doing a lot A class racing the last bit and it really showed in the bit of film I watched today with the fleet race.
Coutts and team look pretty armature in their boat handling and decisions. They will undoubtedly be better over the next 2 years before the actual cup race, but right now they are a bit behind the learning curve. I think a bit **** in how fast they thought they would pick this up.

Still experience in cats doesn’t make it all. Look at a full complement of World class Tornado guys on China and they seem even more out of the game. Guys like Green Com with no experience and a new ride were bringing up the back, but today were driving right over China.

I thought that too - but they are gradually soaking up the multihull top guys that re making a living of sailing (and some that weren't previously). Ogletree, Ashby, Booth....I guess you also have to weigh in the professionalism that is required to be on a full time team like this. Most of the multihull guys, even those that make a living at it, haven't been part of that crowd. There are some advantages to keeping the basic team together and sprinkle in some specific experience even though the rules changed a bit.

With regards to Booth, China has had very little training time with their boat. I would expect them to be more competitive soon.

I guess in the end, it's still "sailing" ie. sometimes a crapshoot, you get the puff nobody else got or you were in front and hit the hole first, the guys behind see you parked and sail around it, to win, etc. But still, at this level, I would have thought every team would want the top cat racers on board and train them to match race, vs. take a top match racer, and try to train him to race a cat.

I guess the one factor that kind of levels the playing field is, the wing thing is new to everyone, (but I would have put the top C class guys on my short list of crew!) so the learning curve on wing handling is steep for all of them.

It will probably be the same curve all over again, when they come out with the Monster Boats, the 72 footer!

Spithill and Ashby sailed in the last C Class cat regatta. They came in second on a borrowed boat with about 1 week of experience on it.

How do you think your results would improve if you had John Kostecki crewing for you and calling tactics?

John's too fat to crew for me on my Blade...

;^)

Coutts got some hard needed training from Bundy in between races today.

This only applies in the match racing rulebook - but if the two boats are close and on opposite tacks coming into a mark to be rounded to starboard (match racing!), a starboard boat will have to tack again onto port to make the mark while port ~might~ be able to lay. Starboard would have a bit of a disadvantage under the normal rules (largely due to the starboard rounding). SO...in match racing, if port is having to duck starboard, starboard is allowed to dial down and "hunt" the port boat making them have to dive deeper or tack away. Starboard can't constantly turn down though, they have to drop to some angle below close hauled and hold that course (I'm not sure how long, how early, etc.). The is a call the port boat has to make very early approaching the situation and if they get it wrong, they get a penalty.


This came into play in the last race of the 32nd America's cup (which was a very dramatic race). New Zealand was on the left and fast but couldn't quite get clear of Alinghi when they would come back to the middle. Alinghi dialed them down coming into the top mark. New Zealand tried to duck but didn't get it done. Alinghi had to change course to avoid New Zealand and NZ was hit with a penalty (360 turn). New Zealand managed to pass Alinghi on the last downwind leg and then it got weird. The wind shifted 180 degrees and NZ was ready for it - Alinghi seemed to already be dreaming of champagne and when the shift hit them, it blew their kite back, broke the spin pole and made a general mess of the deck. New Zealand jumped to a lead and started to do their penalty turn just before the finish line...but they did it just a little too early and finished their turn with a little more than a boat length to the line with very little breeze and very little momentum. Alinghi crawled forward with momentum and beat them across the line by a foot or two. It was gut wrenching.

It's too hard for me to claw up to weather, I can't see giving any of it away.

World champions and Olympic medalists are the sailors with the best resume', the boats are just a different tool for the job. They'll get it. Coutts is definitely a bit ****, busting his crews balls after all the mistakes he made(OCSs, and hitting ETNZ).

Those things are going to be redonkulous.

when you're boat is traveling in excess of 40kph downwind in a busy crossing (fleet racing) situation, how can the driver waaaay back on that boat figure out how close to call the gybe?

You gotta have good depth perception or an excellent bowman...

I've accidentally poked a few people with the spin pole at busy starting lines, and that one is only 25 feet away!

I think Kostecki has a lot to learn. He doesn't have any fancy electronics helping him make decisions and I think it's showing. Hopefully he'll get it soon.

I just read on SA that there will be stop at New Port next summer. Can anyone confirm?

If they come to the east coast, I'm there!

Here it is:

http://www.americascup.com/en/Latest/News/2011/8/AMERICAS-CUP-WORLD-SERIES-TO-BE-HELD-IN-NEWPORT-RI/

That's been rumoured for a while (ever since Newport was putting in a bid to be the host city for the AC72 series.) Sounds pretty cool!

what are they going to do with these "little" boats once they start building and training on the big boys?

Any chance of an AC tour? I wanna ride, even if it's on the back!@

I thought AC45 was an on going thing?

sounds like a good idea if that's not what will actually happen.

Which begs the question: how much are they and who will be likely buyers? Sounds like this ain't no **** cruiser... but the X40 fleet seems to be doing allright...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaOQuXcNrA4&feature=player_embedded#at=16

I've never been up there. I assume it's crowded in summer but with this event it will probably be over the top and very expensive. Anybody know how to do it without spending a crazy amount of money?

It's expensive anytime.

Just fly out to SF for the real thing in 2013!!

I can watch the reply on my tv (via ps3) in HD quality via ps3youtube.com. Haven't figured out yet how to watch the live stream via that site.

Excellent piece on the wing. Amazingly small control lines.

Oracle(Spithill) over NZ in race 1 of finals.

Oracle(Spithill) over NZ race 2. They win match race championship.

Just got finished watching Day 5 action on the big screen. Its really impressive watching it in high quality on the TV. Its like I have Russell Coutts cussing out Murray right in my ear.

I've decided I like this one race/winner take all scenario, it keeps all 9 teams hungry and a lot of us are looking for ONE MORE CHANCE!

Mitch Booth is my favorite. His belly is almost as big as mine.

What was his penalty at the end? They were so busy covering the top three boats they almost forgot to show the rest of the fleet's tight finish.

I've been looking but didn't find anything on the penalty. If I do find something I'll post it.

I really think the top guys in the beachcat world could compete in this league.

Pete,

You don't think that Mitch Booth and Charlie Ogletree and Glen Ashby aren't the top of the beachcat world? If they aren't then who is?

Certainly Loick Peyron isn't a slouch on beachcats or megacats.

The fact of the matter is that the guys at the top are there because they are excellent SAILORS. You could put Spithill or Barker on an laser or an opti and they'd still be at the top of the fleet.

You don't think Heemskirk(?) would fit?

In any case you've mentioned three out of 45 positions.

I'll make my standard "can of soda" bet with you. Eventually those boats will be carrying more beach cat sailors.

fwiw- I'm not sure this correlates well with sailing but found it interesting.

http://www.michaelpage.com/content/110-what-makes-a-good-team.html

Mischa would indeed be a good addition, as would a domestic sailor around these parts who is in better shape than most of those guys. But realize that when you're talking about Americas cup, pure sailing ability is just one of many talents needed to succeed and be attractive to recruit.

Mischa was involved in a extreme 40 team at one point. Not sure if he's still into that.

In the winner takes all race, I wonder why Tactician JK did not cover Tactician GA on second downwind leg, and give ETNZ so much leverage over OR-S?

I think they got rattled when they missed spotting the leeward(?) mark and never got back on their A game.Then the lack of a cover after they were passed let Artemis get by. Seems Deano is on his A game, with more boatspeed, no matter what. It's pretty obvious they will be a major threat in the big game.

NZ showed some real muscle this last week. I bet we see Oracle with some new head sails soon....but yeah, JK nailed it a couple of times and then not-so-much. It's easy to look at the helicopter views and sail from the arm chair though....but NZ seemed to really be in phase with the pressure and shirts almost every race.

What puzzles me is OR-S had a commanding lead,
These guys have tons of match racing experience and failed to cover (spend some lead)?

Stay in between the next mark and your competitor, keep leverage to a minimum,
and spend some of that lead to maintain cover (Match Racing 101).

Perhaps the pressure / speed intoxicated them or got rattled as mention above?
How many times have you failed to cover and lost?

How about throwing the race. How unexciting would it be if Jmmy wins all the time. They don't want to kill the contest.

And ETNZ needs sponsors,but with the ETNZ boycott of the AC website I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be the team du jour if the AC management was crazy enough to try and get away with that.

From what I saw, it was so puffy and shifty, I think they were more focused on finding the next puff and staying in it than covering the guys behind them...

Been there, done that, every year at Wildcat and last year at Tradewinds there were a lot of puffs/shifts that would draw you away from covering.

It is possible to have too much of a lead. If boat speed isn't a problem, like someone mentioned earlier, cash in a little of that lead to cover cover cover so you can stay near the same wind system of your competition. Whether you cross the line with a 3 minute or a 3 second lead, it's still a win.

That gybe by Spithill (who was on starboard) to try and blanket NZ when NZ first got the lead baffled me. Even if they pulled that off and were able to blanket them, they wouldn't have been able to pass them since NZ was lower down the course and NZ would still have the inside track to get back to the mark. I believe they would have been better served to make NZ duck and carry that gybe out a short distance toward the middle and make the call for the gybe back for the layline (and hope to cross) or based on the available pressure / angle. NZ made a huge gain on that side so it shouldn't have been a horrible idea to go that way and hope you gained a couple of boat lengths.

I like these boats in and of themselves. I know the 72s are supposed to be the ultimate, but I hope these boats catch on as a class.

Some sad news for beachcat sailors

Mitch Booth leaves China Team
China Team, the Chinese challenger for the 34th America’s Cup, has decided to part ways with its skipper Mitch Booth after the first AC World Series in Cascais, Portugal, last week. China Team started the week on a strong note with many good results, notably coming third in the speed trial, and had some of the most magic moments of the event. China Team is in the process of finalizing the recruitment of another skipper to be announced shortly.
http://www.sail-world.com/index.cfm?Nid=87434&refre=y&ntid=118&rid=6

I'm not too surprised and suspect there will be more changes before it's all over.

The replacement should be interesting. Wonder if they'll bump Charlie up? Mitch had some great starts,more time in the boat would have certainly helped.

Regarding Newport in 2012:



No matter what you do, you want to book now. While that week is just before peak season starts (July 4 weekend is the real start of the crazy season), this event will most likely blow the doors off like a Jazz Festival or Tall Ships weekend (they call in the National Guard to help control traffic, all over the city, not just downtown).

Best option is probably to rent a house or apartment for the week, and bring lots of “relatives” to help split the cost. Technically, there are laws/ordinances that you need to consider. They frown on you putting 20 guys in a two-bedroom apartment, but unless you have a difficult neighbor, and/or are making a ton of noise, no one will likely notice.

There are also options for RVs: Fort Getty in Jamestown, and Paradise Park in Middletown (there is also a park over by Second Beach in Middletown).

Hope this helps.

Mike

Thanks.