Tradewinds and F16 Charters for Olympic Selection

Got this email from Jill Nickerson:

From: Jill Nickerson [mailto:funinthesunweb@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 11:28 AM
To: Leandro Spina; Jackgiehart@ussailing.org; 'Robbie Daniels'; Liz Walker
Cc: 'Michael Levesque'; 'Jill Nickerson'
Subject: F16 Viper Boat rentals for Tradewinds



Hello to all.



I am not sure who to communicate this to so maybe you can give it to who may be interested.



We have been flooded with calls from youth sailors who are scrambling to find boats, sailing partners and a way to go to the Tradewinds event in January.



We have offered several training camps in the Clearwater area for the youth to come and be able to try out the F16 Viper. We have offered these camps at about ½ cost to the youth. We have also extended a youth training opportunity to all of our camps on our calendar�.located on Red Gear RRacing facebook page.



We have put together a 3 tier training camp in Islamorada prior to the Tradewinds event for all sailors as well as housing packages. The housing packages will be very convenient for those youth who are having a difficult time going with out their parents as we handle food, housing, transport and guardianship.



We are offering charter boats for the event that include all the warm up time they would like, weather they are at one of the camps or practicing on their own. The regular price of these charters are 2600 with an insurance option of 200. We are offering a 500 discount on the charters to any youth team making the charter 2100. In addition, we are offering a 1300 rebate of the charter fee if any of the youth teams purchase their boat at a special event rate. We are also offering them 500.00 rebate of their charter fee if they purchase a new boat with in a year. All the Charter boats are new boats that have about 1 week of sailing on them.



Please let me know if you have any questions.





BELOW ARE THE SPECIFICS OF THE TRADEWINDS TRAINING CAMP OPPORTUNITIES WITH AND WITH OUT HOUSING



Subject: TRADE WINDS TRAINING CAMP



We have lots going on for the up coming Tradewinds event in January. Besides having multi events happening with in the Tradewinds regatta, we also have the Youth team qualifications to see what team will be going to the ISAF Worlds AND the Olympic mixed team development qualifications where the top 2 teams will go on the Olympic Development team. Both of the qualifications will be done on the F16’s.



PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE TRAINING CAMPS ARE FOR EVERYONE�..we help ALL kinds of boats and all levelss�not just AHPC boats.



We have a limited amount of F16’s and F18’s available to charter. Training camps will be for all types of boats. As we normally do, Tier 2 and 3 will have limited entrees. Tier 1 will be focused on starting and will have open entry.



Please pass this email on to anyone who you think may be interested. We are in the process of renting houses right now and last year we did 2. If we need more than that we need to know soon.



As we have done for the past several years, we will be offering training camps and housing at the event with packages that include food, housing and coaching for the training camp AND the regatta. To accommodate multiple desires we will once again have 3 tiers of camps available.



CAMP PRICES THAT INCLUDING HOUSING�.housing is based on 2 to a room. Costs of camps aare PER TEAM



Tier 1�SSTARTING CAMP Thursday JAN 12�COST 125.00 per boat (100 for single handed boats)



Will include a starting camp where we will mostly work on starts, along with some boat set up and some boat handling.

Will include drinks on the water

Will include video review and BBQ that evening

Will include camp give a way





Tier 2 (includes Tier 1) 4 DAY CAMP Monday-Tuesday-Thursday JAN 9-16��COST 1400.00 per boat (1300 for single handed boats)

Will include housing for the camp and the regatta from Jan 9-16

Will include a 4 day camp

Will include drinks on the water on camp days and regatta days

Will include video review and BBQ in the evenings on camp days.

Will include boat ramp fee each day of the camp

Will include breakfast each morning on CAMP AND REGATTA DAYS

Will include lunch on the water on camp days

Will include debrief during the regatta

Will include camp give a way

Will include a BBQ one night during the regatta





Tier 3 (included Tiers 1 & 2) 6 DAY CAMP” Saturday-Thursday JAN 7-16�COST 2000.00 per boat (1800 for single handed boats)

Will include housing for the camp and the regatta from Jan 6-16

Will include a 6 day camp

Will include drinks on the water on camp days and regatta days

Will include video review and BBQ in the evenings on camp days

Will include boat ramp fees each day of the camp

Will include breakfast each morning of CAMP AND REGATTA DAYS

Will include lunch on the water on camp days

Will include debrief during the regatta

Will include camp give a way

Will include a BBQ one night during the regatta





NO HOUSING



If you would like to attend JUST the camps and not be included in housing



Tier 2 750 total per boat

Will include a 4 day camp

Will include drinks on the water on camp days and regatta days

Will include video review and BBQ in the evenings on Camp days

Will include boat ramp fee each day of camp

Will include lunch on the water on camp days

Will include debrief during the regatta

Will include camp give away





Tier 3 1100 total per boat

Will include a 6 day camp

Will include drinks on the water on camp days and regatta days

Will include video review and BBQ in the evenings on camp days

Will include boat ramp fees each day of the camp

Will include lunch on the water on camp days

Will include debrief during the regatta

Will include camp give a way



As I had mentioned. Entrée into Tier 2 and 3 are limited as well as available housing so if you would like to participate, please contact me right away. Please pass this information on.







SAIL FASTER...PUSH HARDER!

Best regards,

Jill A. Nickerson

Fun in the Sun Services, Inc.

727-734-0799 www.funinthesunweb.com

Red Gear Racing www.redgearracing.com

Facebook: Red Gear Racing

PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: funinthesunweb@gmail.com

Less than a month:

NOR

http://www.catsailor.com/Tradewinds/TradewindsISAF_NORs2012.html

If not preregistered, you might not get a tshirt
Rick

Slight hijack here but is it just me or can anyone else see that Fun in the Sun/Robbie Daniel/Red Gear Racing has done more in the last few years for promoting Catamaran Racing in North America than Hobie Cat and Nacra combined. The clinics and the dealer support, in my opinion, are far above the "Hobie way of life", and Nacra.
Rick, as soon as I know my work schedule for Jan, we're planning on coming.

It's just you, Lee.

Because you don't sail Hobie Cats, you don't see the level of involvement of the company, the class association and dealers like Rob Jerry, Jim Sohn and Dan Carpenter.

Most Hobie racers don't participate on this site because of exactly the kind of divisive comment you just made - and the fact they have their own forums (hosted and moderated by Hobie Cat Co. and Matt Miller).

I'm fighting the urge to say something that will just put my butt in a sling.

****, so now I sail a Nacra. What I was pointing out was the coaching programs that Red Gear Racing has been doing ALONG with great factory support. Hobie does have good factory support as well as great products. I just haven't seen them put on ANY youth coaching clinics. My deepest apologies for not including Hobie Cat in the kudos. Have a Hobie day!

I do have to interject a little more. I have nothing against HCA, infact you will see this in the near future. There is an upcoming event in the works that I plan to help out with quite a bunch. I did, however, become very dissapointed when HCA booted other boats from the events. Big Bear and Ventura Bluewater were the ones that I liked and raced in when I had Hobies. Even when I had my old 21SE, I tried to pre register for Mid Winters in San Felipe on year and was told I didn't have a class and couldn't race (2002). So I bought a N20.

Lee, the problem is that you complimented what Jill and Robbie do (which is absolutely fantastic) at the expense of the people at Hobie and Nacra. That's not right - at least in the case of Hobie Cat and the Hobie Class Association. I can't speak for Nacra.

I'm going to lay some facts here and then I'm going away:

• Since 2008, the HCA has pumped over $30,000 into it's youth programs - mostly the youth grant program where we give $ to kids to reimburse their travel expenses to major Hobie Class events.
• The HCA has conducted a Youth North Americans in Hobie 16s as long as I can remember (and a Women's, too).
• The HCA, through the leadership of Harry Murphy, has been able to have Hobie 16s participate in the Junior Olympic Festivals since 2010 - and next year we'll combine our Youth North Championships with the JO event in the sailing capital of the United States - Annapolis. The HCA has provided the race committee and individuals have provided FREE charter boats.
• At each JO, the HCA has conducted Guest Expert programs that have a full day of on-shore and on-the-water coaching and instruction, followed up with post-racing debriefs.

It's OK for you to spout off fuzzy bunnies and rainbows for what Jill and Robbie are doing. Just don't do it at the expense of other groups that you aren't fully aware of, and obviously have some deep-set resentment against.

You're a bit defensive there Matt. He didn't have anything negative to say in there, just that Red Gear Racing is doing it well.

Jesus Matt, What color Hobie panties are you wearing today? I think they may be in a wad.
Wipe the Kool-aid off your chin.
Gotta respect your loyalty, though, I guess.

Bull$hit.



That's a slap in the face to everyone in the Hobie Class Association (and Nacra, too).

Who's Kool-aid are you selling, Karl?

I think what we have here is an East Coast vs. Gulf Coast vs. West Coast thing. Robbie D. is obviously in FL, and supports a lot of events on the East Coast and Gulf Coast, while it seems most of the Hobie supported stuff is on the West Coast.

All support for cat sailing is good, right? So let's not get into a pizzing contest over who's Support is better, it's all good.

Karl, since you are in the Middle...you're screwed, but you knew that already.

Sing it bitches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suYryXqNh0I

;^)

Glad to see my opinion holds that much water
On that note...and your defensiveness, Matt, I am strongly re considering making my chase boat and committee boat available for your 2013 event in Galveston that EXCLUDES other makes of boats.
I had no idea of the facts surrounding what Hobie Cat donates to youth sailing in the HCA. Maybe that's because I'm not in your "exclusive" club of Hobie sailors. Nevertheless, that's great for the sport (no sarcasm). ANYTHING that promotes youth sailing, is great in my opinion.

Disclaimer; I am not or have not been biased towards Fun in the Sun Sailing, ever. I simply wanted to point out what they have been doing and I think it's great. How many of the last 5 or so Alter Cups have been on thier boats? I don't own an AHPC boat, and probably never will. Nothing against em but when I get an F18, it probably won't be one of those.

Karl likes being in the middle.

Same old argument, over and over and over. Do the opti kids (parents, other sailors.....whatever) bitch and bitch that they are not able to sail in a Sunfish regatta? Really? The HCA is patially sponsored by the factory, therefore, the HCA has a few guidlines we need to follow otherwise we are no longer supported by the factory. WHY IS THAT SUCH A BIG DEAL?
Matt's right, we spend a boatload of money on the HCA youth program. I was never asked (in 5 years on exec) for any money, support, help or anything else from anyone doing a youth regatta anywhere. We jumped up and got as involved as we could at the Youth Multihull champs in Long Beach a few years ago.
Fresh dog ****? Exclusive membership? Its not like its invite only, for $20 you can get all the info you want too. You could also join the Sunfish, Opti, 420, MC scow, Highlander.......whichever clubs you want and get all the info from them you want too.
Matt is defensive because after all the years of being involved in sailing and surfing this board, seems like HCA people NEED to be defensive. I rarely if at all remember anyone from HCA going on the offensive here. Jeez. Give it a rest.
Karl, don't make me come up there.

What you fail to mention is that they are doing this for a profit while there are countless others who have done more for the love of the sport such as Matt Bounds for eg.

Gawd, I just realy wanted to give a pat on the back to Red Gear Racing.

+1

There is nothing wrong with that. My services to the Hobie Class are not completely free, although the hourly rate is well below minimum wage, and I'm certainly not making a living off of it.

I'm sure Jill and Robbie would be the first to tell you that they're not rolling in dough, either.

You want to make a small fortune in the marine business? Start with a large one.

I am glad you wanted to give a pat on the back to people that do what they do to help others in our universe. Its the negative toward the others that is the root of the flamming discussion here.

"You want to make a small fortune in the marine business? Start with a large one."

If you do, you will just lose it all!

Red Gear IS doing a lot to help out at the Tradewinds and will definitely be advertised on the TShirts, even though they did not ask to be included.
Rick

Agreed, I do wish I left that part out.

WUSS!

We'll live. I just want to move forward with multihull involvement (youth and adults alike) especially when the iron is HOT with all this big boat stuff going on. We need to all work together to build up the Multihull involvment and then the rest will take care of itself. The US vs. Them stuff needs to be put on the back burner for a few years (or forever) so we can get people's perception of sailing as NOT an elitist sport where we wear Topsiders and Lacoste shirts on the boats. People need to be thinking about sailing as beach stuff, thats fast, fun (dangerous) and relatively inexpensive.
Have a great holiday,
cw

And you don't see Hobie (corporate ,racers, etc) propagating the us vs. them attitude at all do you, it's everybody else. The air must be pretty thin upon that lofty perch.

Same old players ,same old sh!t.

Gentlemen, Gentlemen, Gentlemen ....

Now, as the "fool that just asked the question" ... can the multihull youths be allowed to compete in the local Junior Olympic's ....


Yes, from my PERSONAL experience ... Red Gear Racing, Hobie Class Assoc of North America and the Hobie Cat Co ... or if you prefer ... the Hobie Cat Co, Hobie Class Assoc of North America and Red Gear Racing all have been "stepping up" and have been actively helping develope the next generation of Youth Sailors ....

OOooopppsss ... thats my phone ringing ... hold on a sec ... Hello ... yes ... yes ... yes ... THAT"S GREAT !!!!!! FANTASTIC NEWS !!!!!

!!!! MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT !!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen .... WE HAVE JUST RECIEVED PERMISSION TO USE "THE ANNAPOLIS SAILING SCHOOL'S" FACILITY AS A LAUNCH BEACH FOR THE 2012 CBYRA'S JUNIOR OLYMPIC FESTIVAL and HOBIE CLASS ASSOC of NORTH AMERICA's JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP !!!!!!

... and that phone call was from "Mark Schnieder" (Mr "CRAC" ...)... the manager of Annapolis Saling School, who said yes, is Jason Pinder and is related to Sue and Tom Korz (FLEET 204 ... 204 ... 204 ....)

... so this is NOT about "Open" vs "Hobie" .... this is for the KIDS ... (or if you prefer "the UTES" ...)

NOW ... my challenge to all you out there is make a "Youth Multihull" Class happen in your local/regional Junior Olympics ...

Harry Murphey

Nice generalization. Got any hard examples that I am unaware of? Same old players.....Same old sh!t is right. Nice flame job. And its not everybody else....just a few. (I guess you'd be one of the few with that hatchet job.....)

Wow. I thought the Steeplechase/Tradewinds discussion was a train wreck...

Guys, I know sailing season is (mostly) over, but are we this bored already?

Go out, do some shopping, string up some lights, sit on Santa's lap, get a stripper dressed as an elf to sit on your lap, ANYTHING!!! Just step away from the computer and try to be nice for a few weeks!

Mike

<****. The "them" didn't make this stuff up. If Hobie makes people feel that things have to be divisive, then maybe some re-thinking needs to be done. Your last post has 6 sentences and 5 of them are pointing a finger , while your previous post said we all need to get along. Bi-polar much?
_________________________

Mike ,
You're right, you can sure tell winter is here.

+1

Thanks for carrying the torch Todd. I know I pussed out but my original post on the subject wasn't to take a jab at Hobie but to give a little pat on the back to Red Gear Racing. In re-reading it, I can see that I did without realizing it. I guess it's a conditioned action.
My offer to volunteer even at Hobie only events still stems from the feelings that "it's good to see cats on the beach", regardless if they're predjudice towards other makes. If I still offer my services and boat, I hope I can keep my mouth shut after a few pulls off the rum bottle.
What I do find funny is that HCA, in thier infinite wisdom, shut the door on themselves to one of the best beach cat sailing areas in North America by saying "no more open class boats at Hobie events". That place being Galveston, Tx. Division 6 came back with "We'll keep going with busniess as usual since attendance numbers are on the rise and we can do this on our own. That's where TCDYC stepped in and started running all the races at the Dike and Div 6 does mostly Canyon Lake.
A small group of sailors who frequent the Surfside Beach area started organizing a few social events (like Hobie Cat used to) and called themselves "Surfside Sailing". They started a little message board and have a nice website like TCDYC does. Most of the groups pretty much intermingle. Hobie contacted the Surfside group with an offer to invite them to be Hobie Fleet 33 but only a "Social, non racing Fleet", so that all boats were welcome. They did this, which is great. Now HCA wants Fleet 33 to put on a National Event in Galveston. Kind of like getting kicked out of a bar then sneeking in through the back door cause you still want to party.
Maybe this is HCA's olive branch and they want to be more involved with Beach Cat sailing altogether and not be as exclusive, I hope so.

Todd, I don't want to argue with you about this stuff. I have been working my butt off over the years to break down the walls that I did not put up. (that doesn't change the fact that the Hobie 'edict' exists and mostly can't change)
I just want you to know that we are working constantly to build the 'sport', not just our brand (within the confines of what we're able to do)
I understand sore feeling over the years, I wish it wasn't the case. Little to do but keep pushing forward.
Fleet 33: I spent my entire teen years sneaking into bars.
The reason to have a big Hobie event in South Texas? Its an awesome place to go and have a regatta. Most of the 16 people that are not from there wouldn't go there otherwise, so hense the reason its being discussed. Don't want to step on anyones toes (TCD) and would plan this just because it should be done. Wow, you really are up on what's going on.........

Bring it b!tch! I'll slap you stupid with my Topsiders, and choke you to death with my Lacoste shirt.


Terrorist.

Annapolis Sailing School is A-1 in my book. I am racing today because they got my parents involved in sailing back in the 70's. They have stepped up in recent years by allowing beachcats to land there for the Annapolis-Galesville race.

Karl- You'd be the only one I know that could fall out of that huge shitkicker truck of yours with a pair of designer jeans on and a flannel shirt. You certainly are 'Redneck Metro' if there ever was such a thing.

I don't think it would be stepping on anyones toes. I hope it actually happens. Like I said, cats on the beach are a good thing.

We don't want any alienation of the local establishment. Coming into a predominately multi-class multihull area with a Hobie 16 only event will most likely raise the ire of some, but hopefully not many. We are working on a few other things before we move to much further with this event, but its my intention to try to put it together for fall of '13.
Floyd and his guys with Hobie Fleet 33 are in it for a good time, and I don't want to stress them out over this.

Down here our sailing season starts at Tradewinds! Since you're the USS guy I'll put this question to you, but on another thread...

I know the season isn't over for everyone. Just trying to inject a little humor here...

I can't believe no one has commented on my elf idea. That's funny stuff right there...

Mike

It is funny but we have Tradewinds, Charlotte Harbor and GYC on the radar.

Incidentally, I got an email from Brian Gleason at Charlotte Harbor asking how many are planning on coming and offering storage. Seems they're looking to expand our course in anticipation of an even larger crowd than last year.

If you are able to make tradewinds, I'm sure that "Man-kini's" significant other would fit the "elf" part, although she wears significantly less than said outfit.

I didn't think Chewbacca existed until now. And I can't get that horrible image out of my brain with a belt sander and 80 grit.

But, it's those little touches that makes sailing in the Keys that much more memorable.

Into the egg nog a little early are we?

Don't start "man kini" stuff with me. I've found a whole bunch of "Borat" stills I'm sure some of these guys would love to see.

well, the only reason I looked in that area was because of his lady-friend (who's attire was almost as much as his), but man, that was a steep price to pay...

Props to both of them for the nadz to be out in public like that.

European I'm sure.

Not to take anything away from the great work Robbie and Jill have done but...it's just you.

Technically Lee is correct since hobie doesn't promote catamaran sailing really. They promote hobie sailing which isn't bad by itself... but when your official events don't include catamarans other than hobies, the efforts seem rather self serving.

That knife cuts both ways. You don't see Jill and Robbie promoting Hobie sailing, so their efforts seem rather self serving, especially since they sell AHCP product.

Just when the thread was about to die an ignominious death, you and Bob had to poke a stick in it again.

Red Gear accepts any boat into their seminars. I've attended two with my Blade. Further, Jill has returned every phone call and email I've ever made to her, and she's pulled me out of the drink twice.

You may want to remind HCA of rule 1.1.

Guys -

Let's drop this. It is ugly and divisive to the sport of catamaran sailing/racing. Good folks on all sides of the arguement are getting bashed that should not be and it is becoming uncivil behavior that can occur when you are not in the same room. Let's not have it escalate any further.....I am a child that is a product of divorce

Cheers!

Technically Lee is correct since hobie doesn't promote catamaran sailing really. They promote hobie sailing which isn't bad by itself... but when your official events don't include catamarans other than hobies, the efforts seem rather self serving.
I am pretty sure we've promoted open events in our magazine, listed tons of Non class sponsored events on it as well and encouraged Hobie class members to attend all local multihull regattas as well as invite the IWCA guys (a really nice group of people I might add) to every event we can get away with it at. I could run naked through the streets with a huge flag saying 'Catamaran Sailing' on it if that would make you happy. I guess having it say 'mixed multihull' would probably be better......I am just trying to help here...maybe get a huge tattoo of a Cougar Catamaran on my back? Have 'Karl' shaved into the side of my head (no hair up top). Let me know what works, okay? ( I am being sarcastic only because I thought it would be funny as **** to be running around naked with a flag saying Catamaran Sailing on it.)

[quote=mbounds] don't see Jill and Robbie promoting Hobie sailing, so their efforts seem rather self serving, especially since they sell AHCP product.
/quote]

They do promote the hell out of the F16 above the Viper, not our fault Hobie or Hobie Cat Europe doesn't build one.

I also don't see anyone else bringing their own powerboat to help out at events.

Gotta remember Fun in the Sun is not the manufacturer, all they do is bring them into the country.

Hijack Cat soothing crying baby to sleep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXigjFm4TM&feature=player_embedded

You just dont want me shaving your name into the side of my head.

OK...

My shopping is almost done.

My lights are up, even got the Wave on the front lawn lit up like a Christmas tree (literally).

We went to see Santa (twice, actually).

And I see that we're back to this nonsense... Guess I need to go find that elf...

Mike

You put a Wave in your yard? Brilliant!

I am not back to the nonsense. Sorry about giving you that impression. I was just fooling around.

The "Karl" on the side of the head (maybe both sides) would be a riot. On your "boys" might be more appropriate, just less attention grabbing.

Yes, no new picture yet; but here's what it looked like back when we had the Hobie 16:

http://www.winkflash.com/photo/imagew2.aspx?c=3069279&i=476283231&z=0

Got the idea from a NAHCA News submission a few years ago. My dad called it "the beacon" because you could see it from at least a half-mile away...

Mike

Great Idea for Christmas. We decorated our H-18, then later the H-17 for over 20 years, the neighbors loved it. Four strings up to the top, then large star at the top.

Someone should host a Hobie/AHCP/Nacra football game.

What about Marstrom, Sail innovation, cirrus, ect.your discriminating.

We are in.... As long as it is AUSSIE Rules football!!!!

Thats a lot like Irish football isn't it? Drink, beat the hell outta one another and drink some more?

That's not called "Irish Football," Karlos. In Bendigo, that's called "Friday night."

I wonder if there will be sailing in this, I mean Cat's not kayaks.

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I'm guessing kayaks only.

Anyone who is planning to participate in any of the US Sailing events being run in conjunction with Tradewinds (US Youth Multihull National Championship, or US Sailing Youth World Qualifier or US Sailing Olympic Development Team Qualifier) please see this important new link!:

to all,

please pass along the following link to teams you know that want to register for the US Sailing portion of the Tradewinds regatta.

https://www.regattanetwork.com/clubmgmt/applet_registration_form.php?regatta_id=4805

best

Leandro