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Spam abuse

Posted By: P.M.

Spam abuse - 04/10/12 02:41 PM

Rick,
The spam lately has gotten out of control and has become a bit annoying. Any way to provide some relief?
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 04/10/12 03:04 PM

+1

I guess the good thing is that most of this spam seems to all go under that "Drill" thread...
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: Spam abuse - 04/10/12 03:54 PM

I am working on it. At this point, I am manually deleting them usually with a day, if I am tied up on other projects.
However, I am trying to get UBB to offer a solution to the problem.
I don't think these are real people.
Rick
Posted By: Mugrace72

Re: Spam abuse - 04/10/12 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by RickWhite
I am working on it. At this point, I am manually deleting them usually with a day, if I am tied up on other projects.
However, I am trying to get UBB to offer a solution to the problem.
I don't think these are real people.
Rick


Rick,

I use UBB for my forum and don't have any trouble at all. It isn't UBB.

What kind of screening do you have for new members?

I screen all mine personally before I approve them. It looks like you let everyone in who registers.
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 04/10/12 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Mugrace72
It looks like you let everyone in who registers.


Well, Duh! Why do you think I'm here? smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Spam abuse - 04/10/12 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Well, Duh! Why do you think I'm here? smile

AS Groucho said, "I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER"
Posted By: Mugrace72

Re: Spam abuse - 04/10/12 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by Mugrace72
It looks like you let everyone in who registers.


Well, Duh! Why do you think I'm here? smile


Perhaps you need some cleansing Rick grin
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 04/10/12 07:05 PM

There are many of you who consider my personality somewhat "Bot"-like, anyway...
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: Spam abuse - 04/10/12 08:32 PM

Thanks, Jack. I went over all the registration admin and found what I needed. In order to register it gives you a random scrambled message you must put in the box.
I think that should do it.
Rick
Posted By: tshan

Re: Spam abuse - 04/10/12 10:27 PM

Dadgum Mummp - life must be pretty good if this registers on the "to do" list !?!? grin

Hope all is well in Dixie.
Posted By: P.M.

Re: Spam abuse - 04/10/12 10:58 PM

Hey Tom,
We miss you down here. Hope you have settled into your new world . . .
and get a boat will ya!
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: Spam abuse - 04/11/12 02:34 PM

Hope you all will keep an eye out for spam, and email me if you see anymore. Hope I got it stopped.
Rick
Posted By: mmiller

Re: Spam abuse - 04/11/12 03:52 PM

I used a customized response required that virtually stopped spam registrations. Most of these people are foreigners from China and eastern block countries... they don't speak English, but can type in random letters. That won't stop them... tried that.

Ours requires an answer to a question like "what is your favorite hobby?" Duhh... sailing. Or where can you use a sailboat... water. What is the name of the website you are visiting?... Catsailor. You can add multiple answers that fit.

They can't seem answer these questions.

Next... moderate the first 1-2 posts of new users.
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: Spam abuse - 04/11/12 06:42 PM

Thanks, Matt.
Makes sense
Posted By: Mugrace72

Re: Spam abuse - 04/12/12 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by RickWhite
Thanks, Jack. I went over all the registration admin and found what I needed. In order to register it gives you a random scrambled message you must put in the box.
I think that should do it.
Rick


How's that working for you Rick? smile
Posted By: HMurphey

Re: Spam abuse - 04/12/12 03:43 PM

There are three more "SPAM" threads just this mornin' ....

1) # my right wedding dress.txt

2) Aspargus (Green Bean) orange Salad

3) From Aspargus to a perfect Brew in 7 steps

I've also noticed that these threads usually start w/ "9" views ... but "0" postes ....


Here's my question: What color is the blue ocean???
Posted By: soccerguy83

Re: Spam abuse - 04/13/12 11:09 AM

Also 2346's post in "LED Trailer Wiring Problems" They just took Jake's post and inserted spam links.
and
"waht do you think about Juicy Outlet"
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 04/13/12 04:52 PM

which juicy outlet?
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 04/13/12 05:01 PM

Deep breath Karl. Show some restraint....
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Spam abuse - 04/13/12 05:17 PM

hahaha! You guys are killing me!
Posted By: ksurfer2

Re: Spam abuse - 04/13/12 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Deep breath Karl. Show some restraint....


You dissapoint me. frown
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 04/13/12 05:31 PM

I think I would've disappointed Jesus had I typed what I was thinking.
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Spam abuse - 04/13/12 05:37 PM

But...WWJD??

Hey, we KNOW who Jesus is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPuRTroOE9c
Posted By: Jeff Peterson

Re: Spam abuse - 04/16/12 05:16 AM

It is sad what has happened to the internet. EVERYTHING on the internet is trying to sell you something or scam you. There is no shame or ethics. The spammers are like muggers, violently marketing to you, and they will keep it up until the whole system is corroded to uselessness. I find the internet is less useful to me than it was ten years ago. And, I definitely use it less than ever. So now it is here at Catsailor, too. What a killjoy.
Posted By: yurdle

Re: Spam abuse - 04/16/12 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff Peterson
I find the internet is less useful to me than it was ten years ago. And, I definitely use it less than ever.


I knew it seemed like a ghost town out there for some reason..
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 04/17/12 01:32 PM

Does rick still get paid if we click on ad links? or is it pay-by-action rather than pay-by-click?
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 04/17/12 09:51 PM

Too bad these spammers don't realize catsailors are the cheapest, most broke, mfer's to ever step foot on this planet.
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 04/18/12 07:08 PM

perhaps that might be why the asian escort folk wandered off?
Posted By: mmiller

Re: Spam abuse - 04/19/12 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
perhaps that might be why the asian escort folk wandered off?


They headed over to the H16 forum...
Posted By: mmiller

Re: Spam abuse - 04/19/12 10:27 PM

and the Wave forum...
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 04/20/12 02:21 PM

which leaves us, again, in the sausage-fest. when are we gonna learn?
Posted By: Mugrace72

Re: How is the screening working out Rick? - 04/23/12 06:35 PM

blush
Posted By: P.M.

Re: Spam abuse - 04/23/12 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Mugrace72
How is the screening working out Rick?blush

obviously, not much has changed, but the rest of this thread has been entertaining . . .
Posted By: F-18 5150

Re: Spam abuse - 04/23/12 10:58 PM

Spam, Spam, Eggs, and Spam.
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Spam abuse - 04/23/12 11:32 PM

Can I get egg spam sausage and spam, without the spam??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Spam abuse - 04/23/12 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
which leaves us, again, in the sausage-fest. when are we gonna learn?


Now that all the Asian hookers are gone, it's just us Lumberjacks! ;^)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZa26_esLBE&feature=related

Sing along, I know you KNOW the words!

Posted By: Mugrace72

Re: Spam abuse - 04/24/12 01:02 AM

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Posted By: Timbo

Re: Spam abuse - 04/24/12 02:42 AM

Hey Rick, that reminds me, about time for an update to your book, isn't it? To include all the 'new' spinnaker cat (Formula clases), A cat and Wave techinques, etc. that have come about since that one was written.
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: Spam abuse - 04/25/12 01:34 AM

Been meaning to. Usually did one evey ten yrsx
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 04/25/12 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by RickWhite
Been meaning to. Usually did one evey ten yrsx


then you'd better plan on chapters for foils, curved boards, and wing sails...
Posted By: mmiller

Re: Spam abuse - 04/27/12 03:25 PM

I'm about done with Catsailor...

Low actual post activity and high level of spam posts bum me out. A ton of spam in the 16 and Wave forums.

Rick, you gotta get this sorted. People are not going to keep coming to the forums.
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: Spam abuse - 04/27/12 04:40 PM

SOrry, I was traveling from Key Largo to Put in Bay and had limited access
I am on it
Posted By: Jake

Re: Spam abuse - 04/27/12 04:40 PM

I second that - this place has been pretty slow lately.
Posted By: P.M.

Re: Spam abuse - 04/27/12 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by mmiller
A ton of spam in the 16 and Wave forums.

Not to mention the 11,000 posts in in that BS Drill thread . . .
Posted By: bacho

Re: Spam abuse - 06/20/12 11:46 AM

This is ridiculous this morning.
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: Spam abuse - 06/20/12 01:42 PM

yep, the spammers got pretty aggressive during the night.
I have been trying to stay on top of them more diligently and that has seemingly been working.
However, I have noticed that a lot of them are using the same IP address, so I started banning those IP addresses.
That should help.
Rick
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 06/20/12 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Jake
I second that - this place has been pretty slow lately.


Yeah, way boring. But it always is when the sailing season starts kicking up.
Posted By: PTP

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 03:19 AM

alright Bacho...
your sig is racist.
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 03:56 AM

Pretty sure that's his right. As is yours to judge him.
Posted By: PTP

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 12:49 PM

eh, I suppose you are right
Posted By: TeamChums

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 01:40 PM

Quote
Pretty sure that's his right. As is yours to judge him


+1
Posted By: Mugrace72

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by RickWhite
yep, the spammers got pretty aggressive during the night.
I have been trying to stay on top of them more diligently and that has seemingly been working.
However, I have noticed that a lot of them are using the same IP address, so I started banning those IP addresses.
That should help.
Rick


Only two got through so far today. shocked
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 02:02 PM

Hopefully, Obama will be in that house another four years.
Posted By: Mlcreek

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 02:04 PM

B.S!
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 02:08 PM

Here ya go Jake, action.
Posted By: Jake

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by pgp
Here ya go Jake, action.


errr..wrong kind...and don't drag me into this!
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by pgp
Hopefully, Obama will be in that house another four years.


wrong thread, Pete. Didn't you start that "part duex" one?

as I'm fond of saying; vote early, vote often smile now, WHO to vote for is an entirely different discussion and not worthy of debating on a SAILING forum. Unless you're discussing who the ISAF chair should be...
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 04:40 PM

I think that was Timbo. Any way, see Bacho for the source, "Obama is just another black man living in government housing"
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 06:29 PM

yeah, I saw that. and while personal attacks on the leader of a country seems a bit childish, it is a First Amndment right.

Thankfully, it's also my right to ignore any and all comments posted by anyone (except the asian escort guy...)
Posted By: TeamChums

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 06:32 PM

I'm offended by naps.
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 06:35 PM

You keep it up with the escort guy you'll lose all your kitchen passes.
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
yeah, I saw that. and while personal attacks on the leader of a country seems a bit childish, it is a First Amndment right.

Thankfully, it's also my right to ignore any and all comments posted by anyone (except the asian escort guy...)



Grow the f*ck up people. Its a completely fair statement. Barry is just another black man living in Gov't housing. If Romney is elected would anybody get wound up if it someone said just another white boy living in Gov't housing? No, they wouldn't. Now, if it said Romney, just another cracker living in Gov't housing would they get wound up? Nope. It'd be dismissed rather quickly.


Don't worry Pete, Cap't Obama will be at the helm for another four years. Fortunately for him, this country is made up mostly of racist's who are in denial, and are constantly told, and under societal pressure that their views on race are wrong. You may disapprove, you may not like it, but there is no such thing as wrong. Furthermore, its going to be either Obama or Romney, whats the difference? One's a commie, the others a god damn socialist, and they're both worthless liars not worthy of the effort of putting them on a pike.


God damn it, I hate political correctness.


Sorry for the hijack. I just hate this guise of intolerance guised as tolerance bullsh*t. Its okay for you to hate someone because they don't like, or flat out hate another, but there's nothing wrong with the hater hating the other one.
Posted By: lonestarcat

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
I just hate this guise of intolerance guised as tolerance bullsh*t. Its okay for you to hate someone because they don't like, or flat out hate another, but there's nothing wrong with the hater hating the other one.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

In one case it can be inferred that the democratically elected president is hated simply because he is black. In the other case, a thinking person may dislike the person that appears to be proudly associating himself with race-based hatred specifically because that kind of thinking and actions based on that thinking (prominent 100 years ago) are ignorant and detrimental to everyone involved.

The two are not alike. Sometimes political correctness is simply correct. Condemming racism, not defending it, is the proper thing to do.

This site may soon find itself limited to like-minded Southern white boys telling Captain Noah jokes to themselves. Carry on, if that is what you want.
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 07:30 PM

ROFLMAO! I couldn't have said it better.

"This site may soon find itself limited to like-minded Southern white boys telling Captain Noah jokes to themselves. Carry on, if that is what you want."

Unfortunately I've come to believe you are quite correct and that is the inevitable outcome.

fwiw, I'm unconvinced it's okay to hate anyone or anything except in the most extreme cases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoVL1Zs6WTw
Posted By: Clayton

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 08:38 PM

Getting back on topic...

I like to abuse my spam with a 30-30! Anyone else?
Posted By: TeamChums

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 08:44 PM

I've got a 300 Win Mag I could bring to the party.
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 09:08 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nGw_vAnqPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpiYgFi42PM
Posted By: hobie1616

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by lonestarcat
This site may soon find itself limited to like-minded Southern white boys telling Captain Noah jokes to themselves. Carry on, if that is what you want.

What's a Captain Noah joke?
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 09:41 PM

So when did the president become Black? I thought he was half black and half white, isn't that tan, mocha, or mulatto?
He should only get half of the guilt ridden race vote if that's the case. Douchebags.
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 06/25/12 10:37 PM

Tawd, prepare for a boot to the nuts next time we meet.
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 01:13 AM

You better bring somebody else in those boots , cuz you ain't got the stones.
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by lonestarcat
Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
I just hate this guise of intolerance guised as tolerance bullsh*t. Its okay for you to hate someone because they don't like, or flat out hate another, but there's nothing wrong with the hater hating the other one.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

In one case it can be inferred that the democratically elected president is hated simply because he is black. In the other case, a thinking person may dislike the person that appears to be proudly associating himself with race-based hatred specifically because that kind of thinking and actions based on that thinking (prominent 100 years ago) are ignorant and detrimental to everyone involved.

The two are not alike. Sometimes political correctness is simply correct. Condemming racism, not defending it, is the proper thing to do.

This site may soon find itself limited to like-minded Southern white boys telling Captain Noah jokes to themselves. Carry on, if that is what you want.


So the Rev. Jeremiah Wrights racism is OK because it comes from a black man? Not exactly an equal playing field.
Here's a little tune about being stereotyped.


And before you start in on the Nazi skinhead thing do a little research on Ian McKay and Minor threat.
Posted By: Todd_Sails

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 01:45 AM

Wow, what happened here?

Capt'n Noah? Mikee, ever read Ricks Magazine?
Posted By: hobie1616

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Just Todd
Wow, what happened here?

Capt'n Noah? Mikee, ever read Ricks Magazine?

Do you mean more than one Rick as in "Ricks" or or did you mean the possessive "Rick's" as in, the magazine is his or "Rick's Magazine?"

I haven't read Rick's magazine.
Posted By: lonestarcat

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Douchebags.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
So the Rev. Jeremiah Wrights racism is OK because it comes from a black man? Not exactly an equal playing field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_attribution

You know so long as (the late)Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Roger Ailes, Grover Norquist, and Rupert Murdoch have convinced you that Obama is not for you, their work is done. All the rest of the propaganda is just a means to that end. You don't have to swallow the entire pitcher of Kool Aid. I have trouble understanding how Jeremiah Wright is a threat to us. The Koch brothers want their politicians to protect their wealth, that I can understand. Maybe they sail beach cats too. But somehow I suspect what is good for the superwealthy is not actually good for the rest of us. Trumped up concern about black on white racism, gun control, or where Obama was born, is just a useful tool for them.

I apologize for not watching the suggested video or doing the suggested research. I endeavor to avoid being a tool for the goals of Karl Rove, et al.
Posted By: TeamChums

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 11:04 AM

Quote
Trumped up concern about black on white racism


Really? You guys should move this to the train wreck thread.
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by lonestarcat
But somehow I suspect what is good for the superwealthy is not actually good for the rest of us.



Why's that Lonestarcat? It's those evil super wealthy that do all the innovative things, its those nasty super wealthy that supply the rest of us jobs, its those horrid super wealthy that drive the economy.
Posted By: TeamChums

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 12:29 PM

Wow! From simple (percieved) racism to the super wealthy in one page! AWESOME! Libs are an impressive bunch indeed.
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
Originally Posted by lonestarcat
But somehow I suspect what is good for the superwealthy is not actually good for the rest of us.



Why's that Lonestarcat? It's those evil super wealthy that do all the innovative things, its those nasty super wealthy that supply the rest of us jobs, its those horrid super wealthy that drive the economy.


That's just not true. Consider Gates and Jobs, neither was wealthy when they started out. Iirc, IBM came to Gates for help with their pc and they still couldn't build a competitve system.

How many Uber clients do you build cabinets for?
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 01:15 PM

Oh dear, another delusional liberal who thinks that the Koch brothers are born from the bounty of the devil's loins, however Soros and his tentacles consist of the dust of Jesus' remains.

You know so long as Soros, AFL-CIO, David Brock, NYT editorial board, and the children of ACORN have convinced you that Obama is for you, their work is done.

(The boogeyman game can be played both ways)
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 01:27 PM

Quote
How many Uber clients do you build cabinets for?


If he doesn't build cabinets for uber rich guys, then I bet he builds cabinets for guys who do work for uber rich guys. Those uber rich guys pay them cash for their labor commodity, which in turn is used to purchase Karl's labor commodity.

I work for an insanely rich guy. His net worth was about $35mil this year. He provides me a great living in return for my labor commodity. (Along with 5000 other employees - his company started with like 20, back in 1996 btw)

My Dad was a construction worker - built the DC metro, then sold life insurance door to door during the doldrums of the 70's recession after he graduated from a fine school with a great liberal arts degree. He ended up becoming the executive vice president of the largest custom home builder in America - by selling homes to mostly uber-rich people. He employed thousands of workers to get this done, and in the process, provided his family a great living.

Liberals hate the term "trickle down" economics - as well they should. The mainstream media has led you to believe that all of the rich people take their dollar beels and stuff them under their mattresses, or shred them into confetti for some extravagant display of their wealth at a friend's dinner party. I don't know for sure what this view of wealth and economics is based on, but I have a good feeling that its motivated by jealousy.
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 02:32 PM

people are equal. Ideas are not. Don't confuse them
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 03:27 PM

Damn Tad, I'll bet you're a lovely shade of purple at the moment.

Calm down and spend a few moments in supplication to those wonderful people to whom you owe your humble existence.
Posted By: Mugrace72

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 03:31 PM

How is any of this drivel helping Rick get his SPAM problem solved?

Y'all have a place for this crap.

Between these rants and the SPAM, Catsailor has become a vast wasteland of uninteresting and divisive conjecture.

Mary must not be checking in very much anymore.

frown
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 03:36 PM

hyp·o·crit·i·cal
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by pgp
Damn Tad, I'll bet you're a lovely shade of purple at the moment.

Calm down and spend a few moments in supplication to those wonderful people to whom you owe your humble existence.


Actually Pete, I'm quite pleased at the moment - especially with my "humble" experience.

As for spending time worshipping those who I "owe" my living - You seem to not understand something which I will explain -

I owe them nothing other than that which they pay for. They pay for my labor commodity on weekdays between 9 to 5. Sometimes the weekends and sometimes late at night. That is the nature of the contract that I have with my employer. Its no different than purchasing a car or a house, or a washing machine. Its an agreement between two willing parties where both end up getting what they want. My employer wants my labor commodity, and I want compensation for such. If either of us become unsatisfied with the terms of the agreement, we are free to terminate our business relationship and seek other arrangements which may be more beneficial to either party.

There's no supplication or idolatry required.
Posted By: Jake

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Undecided
Quote
How many Uber clients do you build cabinets for?


If he doesn't build cabinets for uber rich guys, then I bet he builds cabinets for guys who do work for uber rich guys. Those uber rich guys pay them cash for their labor commodity, which in turn is used to purchase Karl's labor commodity.

I work for an insanely rich guy. His net worth was about $35mil this year. He provides me a great living in return for my labor commodity. (Along with 5000 other employees - his company started with like 20, back in 1996 btw)

My Dad was a construction worker - built the DC metro, then sold life insurance door to door during the doldrums of the 70's recession after he graduated from a fine school with a great liberal arts degree. He ended up becoming the executive vice president of the largest custom home builder in America - by selling homes to mostly uber-rich people. He employed thousands of workers to get this done, and in the process, provided his family a great living.

Liberals hate the term "trickle down" economics - as well they should. The mainstream media has led you to believe that all of the rich people take their dollar beels and stuff them under their mattresses, or shred them into confetti for some extravagant display of their wealth at a friend's dinner party. I don't know for sure what this view of wealth and economics is based on, but I have a good feeling that its motivated by jealousy.


You kinda make the liberal's point with the bit I highlighted above.

If you have a fire that heavily damages a forest (or a financial melt down that damages the economy), the forest doesn't get healthy again by making the big trees bigger. Oh, the big trees would like everyone to think so now that there is less competition - but it's the little trees (small business) that revitalize the forest. The small businesses in this country are capable of some really smart innovation if they can keep getting some daylight.

And as to your last point, the truth is that middle and lower income people inject a SIGNIFICANTLY larger percentage of their income back into the economy that the rich elite.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by pgp

That's just not true. Consider Gates and Jobs, neither was wealthy when they started out. Iirc, IBM came to Gates for help with their pc and they still couldn't build a competitive system.


IBM built the entire system, Gates (et al)only created the operating system (DOS = DUMB operating system)
Gates was brilliant and lucky that IBM went along with it, and they (MS) kept the licensing rights.... and leased it to IBM
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by Undecided
Quote
How many Uber clients do you build cabinets for?


If he doesn't build cabinets for uber rich guys, then I bet he builds cabinets for guys who do work for uber rich guys. Those uber rich guys pay them cash for their labor commodity, which in turn is used to purchase Karl's labor commodity.

I work for an insanely rich guy. His net worth was about $35mil this year. He provides me a great living in return for my labor commodity. (Along with 5000 other employees - his company started with like 20, back in 1996 btw)

My Dad was a construction worker - built the DC metro, then sold life insurance door to door during the doldrums of the 70's recession after he graduated from a fine school with a great liberal arts degree. He ended up becoming the executive vice president of the largest custom home builder in America - by selling homes to mostly uber-rich people. He employed thousands of workers to get this done, and in the process, provided his family a great living.

Liberals hate the term "trickle down" economics - as well they should. The mainstream media has led you to believe that all of the rich people take their dollar beels and stuff them under their mattresses, or shred them into confetti for some extravagant display of their wealth at a friend's dinner party. I don't know for sure what this view of wealth and economics is based on, but I have a good feeling that its motivated by jealousy.


You kinda make the liberal's point with the bit I highlighted above.

If you have a fire that heavily damages a forest (or a financial melt down that damages the economy), the forest doesn't get healthy again by making the big trees bigger. Oh, the big trees would like everyone to think so now that there is less competition - but it's the little trees (small business) that revitalize the forest. The small businesses in this country are capable of some really smart innovation if they can keep getting some daylight.

And as to your last point, the truth is that middle and lower income people inject a SIGNIFICANTLY larger percentage of their income back into the economy that the rich elite.


You'll notice I did not drag you into this, you found it all by yourself. laugh
Posted By: TeamChums

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 06:01 PM

So now we're talking about logging and de-forrestation? I don't get it.
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by MN3
Originally Posted by pgp

That's just not true. Consider Gates and Jobs, neither was wealthy when they started out. Iirc, IBM came to Gates for help with their pc and they still couldn't build a competitive system.


IBM built the entire system, Gates (et al)only created the operating system (DOS = DUMB operating system)
Gates was brilliant and lucky that IBM went along with it, and they (MS) kept the licensing rights.... and leased it to IBM


And IBM subsequently got out of the pc business all together.
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Jake

And as to your last point, the truth is that middle and lower income people inject a SIGNIFICANTLY larger percentage of their income back into the economy that the rich elite.


Directly, yes, I agree 100%. But its those rich bastards that give the rest of us tools something to do, and something to spend with. Just about any company, in any industry can grow, and play command and conquer with their competition. There are very few Cornelius Vanderbuilts, Henry Fords, Sam Waltons, James Hills, Andrew Carnegies, or Larry Ellisons in the world. It takes brains, luck, leadership and a serious work ethic to become a captain of any industry, and it gets harder all the time. The opportunities aren't there like they were two hundred years ago. Labor costs, regulation on all fronts, and taxation make it really tough to run a small business before you even take competition into consideration.

Every market has a niche that can be exploited, and used to grow into other regions of your discipline or to expand into others. I've found mine, people who spend more on there kitchens than I did on my entire house. (and then some)... But I have no luck, I'm a horrid leader, and I ain't all that bright. Work ethic is the only thing dragging my company through the mud. I also have no illusions of grandeur, I won't be taking the corporate jet to Monaco anytime soon. I also don't want to employ a few thousand people, hell just a couple of idiots on the payroll makes me want to go dig the requisite number of holes in a field somewhere.


The forrest thing isn't a real great analogy, because when the markets are burning down, thats when the big tree's in business make a killing. "When there is blood in the streets, buy land" is one of the most solid statements there is. You just have to have the smarts to know when to hang your butt out with risk, and when to rein it back and buckle down for the ever impending sh*t storm lapping at your door.



Keep in mind though, on a long enough timeline, the end result of capitalism is a monopoly. We'll all be working for Wal-Mart someday. Thankfully wars, death, and revolutions keep things in check nicely.
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 08:13 PM

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the forest doesn't get healthy again by making the big trees bigger.


If I'm going to indulge your flawed metaphor/analogy/whatever it is...

What liberals want to do is cut down the big trees to make fertilizer for the saplings.

Doesn't seem like the optimal solution to me.

As for percentage of incomes back into the economy, I don't doubt it. Where is that income coming from? The fruits of their labors - which overwhelmingly comes from the machinations of the private sector economy (well, for now it does). One of the many important cogs of the private sector is capital investment by those evil evil EVIL rich guys (like Bain -- another skeleton in the boogeyman closet for you to demonize no doubt)
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 08:20 PM

Jake,

Its also the big trees that survive, that drop the acorns that sprout the next generation of the forest.
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 08:39 PM

no, you need the birds that poop the undigested seeds from other areas to start the forest, right? If they can make it across the forest, that is... and have their bird-cards.

or the coconuts that float over ....

sweet... we started another thread of useless political drivel... because there's not enough out there already...
Posted By: Jake

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Undecided
Jake,

Its also the big trees that survive, that drop the acorns that sprout the next generation of the forest.


OK, I agree that analogy has gone far enough ;-)...although, I am picking up a few acorns with my graphics business, my home business was not born from one.

Hell, I can go on but I know you guys aren't going to recognize or compromise on any points so I wont waste my time or yours.
Posted By: hobie1616

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by MN3
IBM built the entire system, Gates (et al)only created the operating system (DOS = DUMB operating system)
Gates was brilliant and lucky that IBM went along with it, and they (MS) kept the licensing rights.... and leased it to IBM

Gary Kildall.
Posted By: TeamChums

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 08:51 PM

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I wont waste my time or yours.


Posting anyone's point is never a waste of time. Regardless of agreement or not, I like to know other opinions to help me understand more about both side's arguments. (Percieved) right or wrong, everyone's opinion is worth something.
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by TeamChums
Quote
I wont waste my time or yours.


Posting anyone's point is never a waste of time. Regardless of agreement or not, I like to know other opinions to help me understand more about both side's arguments. (Percieved) right or wrong, everyone's opinion is worth something.



Ruling out Lee's opinion...

+1
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by Undecided
Jake,

Its also the big trees that survive, that drop the acorns that sprout the next generation of the forest.


OK, I agree that analogy has gone far enough ;-)...although, I am picking up a few acorns with my graphics business, my home business was not born from one.

Hell, I can go on but I know you guys aren't going to recognize or compromise on any points so I wont waste my time or yours.


I figured you'd just been listening to RUSH (not limbaugh).
And Yes the analogy sucked.

Quote
"The Trees"

There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas

The trouble with the maples
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade

There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream 'Oppression!'
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
'The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light'
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe and saw
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jake

I am picking up a few acorns with my graphics business, my home business was not born from one.



So the money you made at your corporate job was not used to build the Garage Mahal and start your business?
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 10:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWHEcIbhDiw
Posted By: Tony_F18

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 10:43 PM

Somehow, a thread about SPAM got worse...
Posted By: lonestarcat

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Somehow, a thread about SPAM got worse...


You're welcome!
Posted By: Mugrace72

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Tony_F18
Somehow, a thread about SPAM got worse...


Catsailor is dead as a cat sailing forum, however it has swerved into a place where MORONS can rant about CRAP that haunts their daily lives.

I think everyone ought to just go sailing. Kick butt on the race course...not here.
Posted By: TeamChums

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 11:14 PM

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where MORONS can rant about CRAP


Welcome to the discussion.
Posted By: Mugrace72

Re: Spam abuse - 06/26/12 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by TeamChums
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where MORONS can rant about CRAP


Welcome to the discussion.


+1 crazy
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Spam abuse - 06/27/12 03:00 AM

Morons spewing Crap?

Did someone call my name??

It feels so empty without me... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=1d7as4SHqnA

I dare you to stay with it to the end!

Pete, you meant this Rush clip, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7HElLt6LsQ&feature=related



Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: Spam abuse - 06/27/12 03:11 AM

I was going to say welcome to the internet.

I think we've discussed cat sailing enough. Damn near everyone knows everyone else on here. We're just outta topics, outta good ideas. We've come full circle.
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Spam abuse - 06/27/12 03:19 AM

You mean...we've...reached the END of the Internet??

Damn, now we're gonna have to go back!
Posted By: hobie1616

Re: Spam abuse - 06/27/12 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Timbo
You mean...we've...reached the END of the Internet??

Damn, now we're gonna have to go back!

Back to the beginning.
Posted By: Jake

Re: Spam abuse - 06/27/12 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Originally Posted by Jake

I am picking up a few acorns with my graphics business, my home business was not born from one.



So the money you made at your corporate job was not used to build the Garage Mahal and start your business?


not discussing...just correcting

Actually no...the business I bought and built (with a loan from a relative...that I paid back with subsequent business proceeds) in 1999 has built the 'mahal. My wife gets all the proceeds from my corporate job. grin ... which is also a situation that likely has me tethered to a corporate job so she can have health insurance.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Spam abuse - 06/27/12 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Timbo


HAHA nice video Timbo.
I think you should be declared KING OF YOUTUBE
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 06/27/12 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Timbo
You mean...we've...reached the END of the Internet??

Damn, now we're gonna have to go back!


well, the END is December 21, 2012, so that makes sense. Go see the movie, Timbo. You house gets wasted. So does mine. Don't worry about mortgage payments anymore

Anyone want to give me their Gunboat 60? Or even their F-24 mk2?
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Spam abuse - 06/28/12 12:12 AM

Hey, I was out today on the lake for 2 hours of upwind-downwind fun, working on trapping downwind with the kite. At first it was blowing about 15 gusting to 20, then after about 4pm it started to drop off quite a bit, so I came in, but it was great fun while it lasted. Now it looks like glass out there...but at least Debbie brought the lake up a foot or two.

We are still way below 'normal' though, could use another 4 feet in the lake. I just hope it doesn't come all at once with 100+mph winds, like it did in 2004!

And Jay, if I can skip my mortgage payments, I can go out and buy the Gunboat now! You want in?

We can tow the Moms and kids in the dinghy!
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Spam abuse - 06/28/12 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by MN3
Originally Posted by Timbo


HAHA nice video Timbo.
I think you should be declared KING OF YOUTUBE


What, you think I'm funny? What do you mean, the way I talk? Funny how? Am I a clown to you? Do I amuse you? Like I'm here to amuse you??

What do you mean?

Funny how?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E84VqqCPI7w

Posted By: Timbo

Re: Spam abuse - 06/28/12 12:26 AM

Pete, here's a good Rush song for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh_9NY56Sxw&feature=related

Tom Sawyer built a raft and floated down a river with a black guy...

"I am Getty Lee and I'll sing what ever lyrics I want!"
Posted By: Jake

Re: Spam abuse - 06/28/12 03:24 AM

Ahhhh...rush. Best show I think I've seen (although stupidly too loud in Cleveland). Presto tour...Neil Pert- extended snare rat a tat after a lengthy solo with a rotating drum set bounces a drum stick off the snare up into the light rigging, stands up, faces the crowd, sticks his arm out, catches the drum stick, and they rip into the next song. Awesome.
Posted By: hobie1616

Re: Spam abuse - 06/28/12 03:58 AM

Cow Palace - 1964 - Beatles

It wasn't the best show I ever saw but it was probably the most memorable.
Posted By: pgp

Re: Spam abuse - 06/29/12 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Karl_Brogger
I was going to say welcome to the internet.

I think we've discussed cat sailing enough. Damn near everyone knows everyone else on here. We're just outta topics, outta good ideas. We've come full circle.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/47957186

"Once seen as the land of opportunity, the U.S. today is grappling with rising inequality and a political system that benefits the rich at the expense of others, resulting in lower growth and risking the death of the American dream, according to Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Spam abuse - 06/29/12 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Timbo
Originally Posted by MN3
Originally Posted by Timbo


HAHA nice video Timbo.
I think you should be declared KING OF YOUTUBE


What, you think I'm funny? What do you mean, the way I talk? Funny how? Am I a clown to you? Do I amuse you? Like I'm here to amuse you??

What do you mean?

Funny how?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E84VqqCPI7w



Yes,
no - type,
kinda like a comedian, but not,
Yes!,
seems like it,
i thought i was clear, you are funny!
Like a clown (didnt we go over this already?)
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Spam abuse - 06/29/12 03:45 PM

Capitalism in its purest form is a demanding mistress. Those that succeed win big, and the opposite for the losers.

Extrapolating pure capitalism to its theoretical peak efficiency would, in effect, elimiate the concept of "middle class" as being inefficient.

with opportunity comes opportunity cost (risk). seems we're a bit more risk-averse these days.

On the other hand, the commonly referred to "socialist/communist" theorms could be argued as a model of capital inefficiency at the expense of societal progress.

Life is often a compromise. Drink blended rum
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