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Tacking and Jibing from trapeze

Posted By: Arjan13

Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/09/12 09:02 AM

Hello everyone,

This is my first post, and I hope it's in the right place. We've discovered this forum just a few weeks ago, and maybe this is the best way to find answers to our questions. We sail quit a lot in the evening, and barely meet other sailors on our beach in Holland. (and if we do, not all of them are that experienced, and only sail with the sun hihg in the sky) Also please forgive me my English, I'm not too familliar yet with all the terms.

We've started a few years back with an old Nacra 5.0, and after some larger damage traded it in, against our current boat; a Nacra Inter 18 from '97. After getting used to all "new stuff" like dagger boards, mast rotating system and so on, we sail rather nice now, up to a wind of around 12-14 kn. Our challenge start when the wind is a little stronger and we're both out in the trapeze. (we're a team of only 150 kg, so we're rather soon in this position) We do not know for sure how we should handle a tack and/or jibe in the right order. We're sailing normally with the joystick in the hand of the helmsmen, and the main sheet in the hand of the mate.

For example when we're approaching a jibe we've tried to sail into the turn with full power, and wait untill the power is out of the sail before coming in, and we've tried giving the mainsheet some slack, come in a little earlier, but this seems a little risky with the harder windforce. In between seems not possible due to the high outward force while turning? Could anybody please tell us (just short) the right order for jibing as well as tacking, or tell me where we can read about this topic?
Posted By: Baltic

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/09/12 11:41 AM

Concerning jibing: don't you have a spinnaker? the Inter 18 should have one and jibing with a spi is a completely different subject than without.
Posted By: Arjan13

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/09/12 01:12 PM

Yes we have a spi, but untill today we've chosen to keep it in the bag, because this is also a new topic for us. But we have rigged the spi last week, and will try it for the first time any day now (with very low wind)
Posted By: Jake

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/09/12 03:21 PM

I'll start with the tack. I'm no pro and there are probably faster ways to go about the tack - but if the crew is running the mainsheet and I'm driving, as we enter a point where we think we may tack, the crew will hand me the sheet and I control it at that point until we tack. Sometimes this could be for some time if we are in a tactical position where we may have to tack suddenly (if I'm on the hip of a right away boat but just far enough away that he would have rights to tack, for instance). When I call for the tack, I usually cleat the mainsheet and toss it inboard safely on the trampoline (warning; this in "unprofessional" but it doesn't burn up too much time. It can, however, leave you in a tricky spot if you decide not to tack at that point and now nobody has the mainsheet ;-). I wait for the crew to bend their knees and just barely get their butt on the hull before I start my turn. I start my turn as I come off the wire and I focus hard on not "wiggling" or "bouncing" the rudders through the entire manuever (slows the boat!). I immediately zero in on the mainsheet near the cleat and retake control of it there. I ease about a 8 to 12 inches of mainsheet (depending on conditions - sometimes I ease more in light conditions). I rotate on my feet and a knee at the center of the trampoline facing rearward at the mainsheet blocks as I flip the tiller to the other side. I regrab the mainsheet at the cleat. At this point, the crew should be rehooking to his trapeze line as I move to the outboard end of the new hull bringing the mainsheet with me and bringing it in. With my tail planted on the hull briefly, I give the main another good pull and hold the sheet over my shoulder while I start to zero in on a good heading. The crew grabs the mainsheet ready to pull it again to send it the rest of the way home as I push back out on the wire with them. The crew has some flexibility with the timing of bringing the mainsheet in and can make up for some of my errors...he/she needs to be considerate that I may still be hooking into my trap and doesn't need to play godzilla on the mainsheet until I at least have a footing and am starting to push out on the wire.
Posted By: Rolf_Nilsen

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/09/12 03:44 PM

Here is a more radical way to do a tack

first off, communication in the boat is needed on when to tack/gybe.

Crew is handling the mainsheet all the way.

Helm: "Tacking in 3, 1 - 2 - 3 - Tacking." Starts the tack,
Crew: Sheets in to help the boat to head up.
Helm and crew heads towards the other side, mainsheet is slack.
Crew: On trapeze with main sheeted for acceleration. Crew is responsible for stability.
Helm: Moving into trapeze as it takes longer to flip the tiller behind the mainsheet.

With practice in low/medium wind conditions this can be a very fast way to tack. The key is to communicate and get in synch. A certain amount of trust in the ability of each others is mandatory with this method smile

Gybing from trapze can be done much the same way. Have the crew on trapeze until the tack have started. Then let crew come in with the sheet in hand (this eases the sheets) and just steer trough the gybe. Again, communication, sync and trust is needed, together with some structured training.
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/09/12 03:45 PM

on the gybe, you are correct in that you don't want to lose a lot of boatspeed. This can cause a nose-dive when the main flips to the new side and powers up.

Keep the boat moving as best as possible, and make the gybe smooth and relatively quick. Don't head up too high after the gybe or you could face a knockdown, just head high enough to ensure you're on the new gybe and maintain most of your entry boatspeed. As the TWS increases, your gybe angle will decrease.

If you look at some boat wakes, you may even see a slight "S" turn as the boat enters the gybe, passes clew to wind, heads up (maybe 140 degrees to TWD) and gains speed, and then drives down slightly once up to speed.

The spinnaker helps keep boatspeed through a gybe. In light air, you can "float" the spin through the gybe, keeping it full throughout the transistion from one side to the other. In medium and heavy air, the turn is usually too quick to worry about it and you just focus on trimming to the new heading.

Without a spin, it helps to sheet in the traveler while steering through the gybe (to prevent a huge swing of the boom) and immediately ease it out on the other side.

As far as crew positions go, in the gybe you want to try and stay as far back as practical to prevent nosing in to the back of a swell and stopping the boat. In moderate air, it is typical to see crews prepare for a gybe by driving down and coming off the wire to "organize" for the gybe so they may resume quickly on the new heading

Your best bet, however, would be to sail with a more experienced boat and watch how they do things. Or you can sail with one of their crew for individualized instruction.
Posted By: Arjan13

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/10/12 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Jake
I'll start with the tack. I'm no pro and there are probably faster ways to go about the tack - but if the crew is running the mainsheet and I'm driving, as we enter a point where we think we may tack, the crew will hand me the sheet and I control it at that point until we tack. Sometimes this could be for some time if we are in a tactical position where we may have to tack suddenly (if I'm on the hip of a right away boat but just far enough away that he would have rights to tack, for instance). When I call for the tack, I usually cleat the mainsheet and toss it inboard safely on the trampoline (warning; this in "unprofessional" but it doesn't burn up too much time. It can, however, leave you in a tricky spot if you decide not to tack at that point and now nobody has the mainsheet ;-). I wait for the crew to bend their knees and just barely get their butt on the hull before I start my turn. I start my turn as I come off the wire and I focus hard on not "wiggling" or "bouncing" the rudders through the entire manuever (slows the boat!). I immediately zero in on the mainsheet near the cleat and retake control of it there. I ease about a 8 to 12 inches of mainsheet (depending on conditions - sometimes I ease more in light conditions). I rotate on my feet and a knee at the center of the trampoline facing rearward at the mainsheet blocks as I flip the tiller to the other side. I regrab the mainsheet at the cleat. At this point, the crew should be rehooking to his trapeze line as I move to the outboard end of the new hull bringing the mainsheet with me and bringing it in. With my tail planted on the hull briefly, I give the main another good pull and hold the sheet over my shoulder while I start to zero in on a good heading. The crew grabs the mainsheet ready to pull it again to send it the rest of the way home as I push back out on the wire with them. The crew has some flexibility with the timing of bringing the mainsheet in and can make up for some of my errors...he/she needs to be considerate that I may still be hooking into my trap and doesn't need to play godzilla on the mainsheet until I at least have a footing and am starting to push out on the wire.


Thanks for your reply! In many way's your description looks like how we do the jibe. But, if we come in without giving slack on the sheet, we have the idea that we'll flip? (of course when there is a moderate/ heavy air) That is not the case? Do I understand correctly you ease on the mainsheet when your on the end of your turn?

And I'm sorry This is a language issue), but what means "zero in" exactly?
Posted By: Arjan13

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/10/12 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
Here is a more radical way to do a tack

first off, communication in the boat is needed on when to tack/gybe.

Crew is handling the mainsheet all the way.

Helm: "Tacking in 3, 1 - 2 - 3 - Tacking." Starts the tack,
Crew: Sheets in to help the boat to head up.
Helm and crew heads towards the other side, mainsheet is slack.
Crew: On trapeze with main sheeted for acceleration. Crew is responsible for stability.
Helm: Moving into trapeze as it takes longer to flip the tiller behind the mainsheet.

With practice in low/medium wind conditions this can be a very fast way to tack. The key is to communicate and get in synch. A certain amount of trust in the ability of each others is mandatory with this method smile

Gybing from trapze can be done much the same way. Have the crew on trapeze until the tack have started. Then let crew come in with the sheet in hand (this eases the sheets) and just steer trough the gybe. Again, communication, sync and trust is needed, together with some structured training.


This sounds nice, but I think you have assumed that we have a self tacking jib? (unfortunately that isn't the case yet, but is on our list for next season)
Posted By: Rolf_Nilsen

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/10/12 09:58 AM

You need a selftacker. It is a different world to sail and race with smile
Posted By: TEAMVMG

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/10/12 12:48 PM

You shouldn't be gybing on the trapeze without spinnaker. get the boat running downwind with both crew sat on the hull.
Posted By: Jake

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/10/12 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Arjan13
Originally Posted by Jake
I'll start with the tack. I'm no pro and there are probably faster ways to go about the tack - but if the crew is running the mainsheet and I'm driving, as we enter a point where we think we may tack, the crew will hand me the sheet and I control it at that point until we tack. Sometimes this could be for some time if we are in a tactical position where we may have to tack suddenly (if I'm on the hip of a right away boat but just far enough away that he would have rights to tack, for instance). When I call for the tack, I usually cleat the mainsheet and toss it inboard safely on the trampoline (warning; this in "unprofessional" but it doesn't burn up too much time. It can, however, leave you in a tricky spot if you decide not to tack at that point and now nobody has the mainsheet ;-). I wait for the crew to bend their knees and just barely get their butt on the hull before I start my turn. I start my turn as I come off the wire and I focus hard on not "wiggling" or "bouncing" the rudders through the entire manuever (slows the boat!). I immediately zero in on the mainsheet near the cleat and retake control of it there. I ease about a 8 to 12 inches of mainsheet (depending on conditions - sometimes I ease more in light conditions). I rotate on my feet and a knee at the center of the trampoline facing rearward at the mainsheet blocks as I flip the tiller to the other side. I regrab the mainsheet at the cleat. At this point, the crew should be rehooking to his trapeze line as I move to the outboard end of the new hull bringing the mainsheet with me and bringing it in. With my tail planted on the hull briefly, I give the main another good pull and hold the sheet over my shoulder while I start to zero in on a good heading. The crew grabs the mainsheet ready to pull it again to send it the rest of the way home as I push back out on the wire with them. The crew has some flexibility with the timing of bringing the mainsheet in and can make up for some of my errors...he/she needs to be considerate that I may still be hooking into my trap and doesn't need to play godzilla on the mainsheet until I at least have a footing and am starting to push out on the wire.


Thanks for your reply! In many way's your description looks like how we do the jibe. But, if we come in without giving slack on the sheet, we have the idea that we'll flip? (of course when there is a moderate/ heavy air) That is not the case? Do I understand correctly you ease on the mainsheet when your on the end of your turn?

And I'm sorry This is a language issue), but what means "zero in" exactly?


No problem..."zero in" means to fine tune the heading of the boat to the new course to make sure I'm not sailing too high or too low.

I believe the phrase "zero in" comes from machining where you set the zero point measurement by making fine adjustments so the dials read zero and you are starting for a very precise position.
Posted By: Rolf_Nilsen

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/10/12 01:59 PM

I thought "zero in" came from gunnery where you zero in the targeting system on the target to calibrate the targeting system?

For machining I always found actual measurements more accurate than the dials wink


Yes, I am a nerd and proud member of the nitpocker association..
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/10/12 02:34 PM

In both maneuvers ( more so for jibing) try to keep your boat speed up. Lots of folks think doing it slower is safer but it is quite the opposite because of apparent wind and righting moment issues. Slow is dangerous as well as...slow.
Posted By: Jake

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/10/12 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rolf_Nilsen
I thought "zero in" came from gunnery where you zero in the targeting system on the target to calibrate the targeting system?

For machining I always found actual measurements more accurate than the dials wink


Yes, I am a nerd and proud member of the nitpocker association..


That would make more sense!
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/10/12 04:19 PM

The term "Zero in" probably has other meanings, but in artillery or firearm disciplines it has to do with adjusting the aiming system to hit a particular target. This can be done either by "walking the round" (reading where rounds hit and making adjustments), "holdover" (aiming the sight above/below target based on prior experience), or by various computations (it's all Newtonian physics)

For instance, a call to set a 200 meter zero would dictate you set your scope or sighting system to the settings (declination, windage, elevation, etc) which would (through prior knowledge/practice/computation) guide the given munition to a particular spot 200 meters away.

Other trivia (easy) - where did the term "Whole 9 yards" come from?
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/10/12 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
The term "Zero in" probably has other meanings, but in artillery or firearm disciplines it has to do with adjusting the aiming system to hit a particular target. This can be done either by "walking the round" (reading where rounds hit and making adjustments), "holdover" (aiming the sight above/below target based on prior experience), or by various computations (it's all Newtonian physics)

For instance, a call to set a 200 meter zero would dictate you set your scope or sighting system to the settings (declination, windage, elevation, etc) which would (through prior knowledge/practice/computation) guide the given munition to a particular spot 200 meters away.

Other trivia (easy) - where did the term "Whole 9 yards" come from?


27' munitions belts.
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever

27' munitions belts.


Our current "No Prize" winner. didn't take long either...

How about "three sheets to the wind"?
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 07:37 PM

Had to google that one and it says a "vessel with loosed sheets" or some such. I'm not sure how you get 3 of 'em though. How about "cold enough to freeze the balls off of a brass monkey"?
Posted By: TEAMVMG

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 07:45 PM

Ships cannon balls were stored in stacks in dishes called brass monkeys. The brass monkeys filled with water, when it froze and expanded the cannon balls would roll off onto the deck.


"FLASH IN THE PAN"?
Posted By: jkkartz1

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 07:48 PM

Some of the old guns held the powder in what was called a pan. When it went off accidently, there was a Flash in the Pan.

Maybe?
Posted By: TEAMVMG

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 07:49 PM

I think that 3 sheets to the wind comes from the old square riggers that had square sails with a sheet in each corner, once the crew let go of 3 of them, the sail was flogging out of control on the end of just one sheet
Posted By: ksurfer2

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 07:57 PM

Try out (like for a sports team).
Posted By: ksurfer2

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by TEAMVMG
Ships cannon balls were stored in stacks in dishes called brass monkeys. The brass monkeys filled with water, when it froze and expanded the cannon balls would roll off onto the deck.



Seriously?!?! You didn't just make that up?!?!?
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 08:12 PM

<****.
And the square rigger/3 sheets makes sense.
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by TEAMVMG
Ships cannon balls were stored in stacks in dishes called brass monkeys. The brass monkeys filled with water, when it froze and expanded the cannon balls would roll off onto the deck.


I will have to disagree on this one. I have toured a tall ship rendered historically accurate (and the HMS Bounty, but I think that's less historically accurate), and they don't store cannonballs in the pyrimid shapes. Can you imagine a rolling deck with those things all stacked nicely?

The cannonballs were stored on planks with holes cut out of them. I think they call them "garlands"
[Linked Image]
You can see the garland behind this cannon (right bottom corner of the photo)

Down below the main deck, the cannonballs are stored in racks (like soda cans) for easy retrieval

Even better, land batteries (like Fort Jefferson, Dry Tortugas) had a similar rack system for cannonballs, but they were heated red-hot in a fire on their way to being retrieved, so the cannon can blast away and set a ship on fire as well. Not sure how they prevented the powder from self-igniting when they pushed the red hot cannonball down the muzzle, but I'm sure the park ranger would know...

There is some mention on the web of "monkeys" in Lord General Cromwel's inventories (circa 1650) of cannon regarded as "brasse munkeys alias Dogs", which may allude to the smaller Minion or Saker cannons (3-4 pound shot weight/ approx 3" diameter) versus the Demi-Cannon (32-36 pound shot weight/ approx 6" diameter)
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 08:57 PM

I thought "Three sheets" meant sails, but the "Google Machine" in front of me corrected my thinking. I totally forgot "sheet" also meant control line. Crappy sailor I turned out to be, I guess.

Capt'n Morgan is probably flipping over in his pirate ship by now...
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
Originally Posted by TEAMVMG
Ships cannon balls were stored in stacks in dishes called brass monkeys. The brass monkeys filled with water, when it froze and expanded the cannon balls would roll off onto the deck.


I will have to disagree on this one. I have toured a tall ship rendered historically accurate (and the HMS Bounty, but I think that's less historically accurate), and they don't store cannonballs in the pyrimid shapes. Can you imagine a rolling deck with those things all stacked nicely?

The cannonballs were stored on planks with holes cut out of them. I think they call them "garlands"
[Linked Image]
You can see the garland behind this cannon (right bottom corner of the photo)

Down below the main deck, the cannonballs are stored in racks (like soda cans) for easy retrieval

Even better, land batteries (like Fort Jefferson, Dry Tortugas) had a similar rack system for cannonballs, but they were heated red-hot in a fire on their way to being retrieved, so the cannon can blast away and set a ship on fire as well. Not sure how they prevented the powder from self-igniting when they pushed the red hot cannonball down the muzzle, but I'm sure the park ranger would know...

There is some mention on the web of "monkeys" in Lord General Cromwel's inventories (circa 1650) of cannon regarded as "brasse munkeys alias Dogs", which may allude to the smaller Minion or Saker cannons (3-4 pound shot weight/ approx 3" diameter) versus the Demi-Cannon (32-36 pound shot weight/ approx 6" diameter)



Posted By: TEAMVMG

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/13/12 10:47 PM

[img:left]http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341bfae553ef016762717e5c970b-800wi[/img]

Was that then?
Posted By: Jake

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by TEAMVMG


Perhaps the brass monkeys were mostly used on shore at a fixed base and not on ship.

Which, makes me wonder what kind of drink the song "Brass Monkey" by the Beastie Boys refers to.
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Jake
Perhaps the brass monkeys were mostly used on shore at a fixed base and not on ship.


I would agree with you on that, Jake. Can you imagine 32 pound cannonballs rolling around the deck in a gale? Not my cup of tea at all...

Originally Posted by Jake
Which, makes me wonder what kind of drink the song "Brass Monkey" by the Beastie Boys refers to.


isn't that some varient of "spanish fly"?
Posted By: ksurfer2

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 01:42 PM

In the beastie boys song, the "brass monkey" they are referring to is from cannon batteries found in warmer, humid climates. The water would pool in the brass monkey and algea would turn the water green. Those were referred to as "funky monkeys".
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 02:08 PM

The Beastie Boys "Brass Monkey" is Rum, vodka and Orange Juice over ice.Nothing to do with cannonballs. But Karl's explanation works too.
Posted By: Jake

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
But Karl's explanation works too.


I disagree with this.

Brass Monkey, that funky Monkey
Brass Monkey junkie, that funky Monkey

Got this dance that's more than real
Drink Brass Monkey, here's how you feel
Put your left leg down, your right leg up
Tilt your head back, let's finish the cup
M.C.A. with the bottle, D rocks the can

Adrock gets nice with Charlie Chan
We're offered Moet, we don't mind Chivas
Wherever we go with bring the Monkey with us
Adrock drinks three, Mike D is D

Double R foots the bill most definitely
I drink Brass Monkey and I rock well
I got a Castle in Brooklyn
That's where I dwell

Brass Monkey, that funky Monkey
Brass Monkey junkie, that funky Monkey

'Cause I drink it anytime and anyplace
When it's time to get ill, I pour it on my face
Monkey tastes Def when you pour it on ice
Come on y'all, it's time to get nice

Coolin' by the lockers, gettin' kind of funky
Me and the crew, we're drinking Brass Monkey
This girl walked by, she gave me the eye
I reached in the locker, grabbed the Spanish Fly

I put it with the Monkey, mixed it in the cup
Went over to the girl, "Yo baby, what's up?"
I offered her a sip, the girl she gave me lip
It did begin, the stuff wore in and now she's on my tip

Brass Monkey, that funky Monkey
Brass Monkey junkie, that funky Monkey

Step up to the bar, put the girl down
She takes a big gulp and slaps it around
Take a sip, you can do it, you get right to it
We had a case in the place and we went right through it

You got a dry Martini, thinking you're cool
I'll take your place at the bar, I smack you off your stool
I'll down a '40 dog in a single gulp
And if you got beef you'll get beat to a pulp

Monkey and parties and reelin' and rockin'
Def, def girls, girls, all y'all jockin'
The song and dance keeping you in a trance
If you don't buy my record, I got my advance

I drink it, I think it, I see it, I be it
I love Brass Monkey but I won't give D it
We got the bottle, you got the cup
Come on everybody let's get fff

Brass Monkey, that funky Monkey
Brass Monkey junkie, that funky Monkey
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 03:45 PM

There's a rumor Ding was signing that loudly in the shower at Nigel's place (Spring Fever)
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 06:00 PM

Jake, it was a joke. I'm reasonably sure Karl made that up. You're working to hard.

Jay,
How do you "sign" loudly. My wife does sign language ,but I can never hear her.
Posted By: Jake

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 08:08 PM

dry humor....too dry apparently.
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Jake
dry humor....too dry apparently.


Well, let me ask you this way. How many times do you think the word "funky" was used on a ship with Cannon?
Posted By: Jake

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Originally Posted by Jake
dry humor....too dry apparently.


Well, let me ask you this way. How many times do you think the word "funky" was used on a ship with Cannon?


I'm lost now.
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/14/12 11:38 PM

Penguin.
Posted By: Jake

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/15/12 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
Penguin.


Arctic Seal.
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/15/12 02:04 PM

mucus
Posted By: Arjan13

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/15/12 08:51 PM

hmmm, I would say this is for a short while "off topic" :-)
Posted By: Team_Cat_Fever

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/16/12 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Arjan13
hmmm, I would say this is for a short while "off topic" :-)


Sorry about that, it happens some(alot of the)times.
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: Tacking and Jibing from trapeze - 08/16/12 02:36 PM

Yes, this forum often resembles "short attention span support group".

smile
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