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Posted By: Mpls_Nacra

New Cat - 09/16/13 01:08 AM

Hello all, I am getting into cat racing up in the mid west. I have an older Nacra 5.8. But I cant keep up with the newer cats. I am considering a new cat. But what version? I am a bigger guy, and I solo most of the time. But do want to have a crew on occasion. What are the suggestions.
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 03:43 AM

I'll sell ya a Viper.
Posted By: JeffS

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 07:12 AM

New Nacra 5.8 is heaps lighter & faster than your boat just the ackermans on the rudders improve things a lot, others F18, Nacra 17 with curved boards, F16, how much wind? if lighter when you solo find Rick's old Taipan 5.7 from his training video, awesome boat
Posted By: Timbo

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Mpls_Nacra
Hello all, I am getting into cat racing up in the mid west. I have an older Nacra 5.8. But I cant keep up with the newer cats. I am considering a new cat. But what version? I am a bigger guy, and I solo most of the time. But do want to have a crew on occasion. What are the suggestions.


Are you going to race with the new boat? If you are going to race, and you'll be solo a lot, you'd need to go with a class that allows you to race solo, the F16 is one. But if you are not going to race much, you could get a F18, sail it solo when not racing, but you'll need to find crew to race.

The F16 is the only class that allows you to race solo or with crew. It's also quite a bit lighter than the F18 (230 lbs. vs. 395) so it's a bit easier to move about on the beach when you are solo.
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 12:53 PM

There is zero cat racing in Minnesota for anything other than a H16, and then you basically need to know someone on that lake.

The Lake Waconia Catamaran Club lost their spot this year unfortunately.

Hobie Fleet 444 will let anyone sail with them, but aren't a racing fleet. Based out of Lake City. www.fleet444.com

If you want to race Wisconsin is the closest for non-Hobie only racing. www.crawsailing.org Mostly F16/18's.

We've got a shitton of water, but no racing in Minnesota currently.
Posted By: Timbo

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 01:54 PM

Hey, the water's getting hard and hockey season is about to start anyway! I saw it was 30 this morning in International Falls! Ouch! It'll be 92 down here today Carl, come on down!
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 01:55 PM

Dude I froze my proverbial butt off in SF last week and it was 65F with a freezing breeze.

Can't imagine sailing/living up north.
Posted By: Jake

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Undecided
Dude I froze my proverbial butt off in SF last week and it was 65F with a freezing breeze.

Can't imagine sailing/living up north.


They make good money selling sweatshirts in town there...
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 04:10 PM

40° this morning, a bit chilly....
Posted By: waterbug_wpb

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Jake
They make good money selling sweatshirts in town there...


Are those "sweatshirts" the things with the long sleeves but don't list their SPF value? Hmmm... have to keep an eye out for them...
Posted By: Timbo

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 05:24 PM

Well Karl, come on down! It's 85 out back right now, air and water temp about the same. I just came in from spending an hour out blasting around on my little lake, but there's a big line of thunderstorms coming from the east in a few minutes, it was fun while it lasted.
Posted By: Mpls_Nacra

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 10:23 PM

I am planning to race the boat. I know I'll have to travel to WI for the action. I am stuck on the up sides of the F16 vs F17 vs F18. I know I'll need crew with the F18. but cost point is better than the F 16.

thx
Posted By: h17racer

Re: New Cat - 09/16/13 11:46 PM

We race Nacra's, ARC22's and Supercats every week on White Bear. Come on over.

Tom G
Posted By: Mpls_Nacra

Re: New Cat - 09/17/13 01:34 AM

Tom, how can I get a hold of you?
Posted By: h17racer

Re: New Cat - 09/17/13 04:56 PM

PM sent
Posted By: Karl_Brogger

Re: New Cat - 09/19/13 12:17 AM

Dave I might have a 09 Viper available that is really reasonably priced. It's not mine, but a customers. Andy called me today looking for a used one, I'm assuming it was for you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: New Cat - 09/19/13 10:29 AM

I've got one for sale in the classifieds
Posted By: bacho

Re: New Cat - 09/19/13 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mpls_Nacra
I am planning to race the boat. I know I'll have to travel to WI for the action. I am stuck on the up sides of the F16 vs F17 vs F18. I know I'll need crew with the F18. but cost point is better than the F 16.

thx


The F16 cost is cheaper than crew.
Posted By: orphan

Re: New Cat - 09/19/13 02:54 PM

Define "bigger guy"? At a certain point you can carry weights and race a H16 solo. The real question is spin or no spin.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: New Cat - 09/19/13 09:07 PM

FYI Dave in Minnesota: The F16 is a nice boat, even considering one myself right now, but me and about 9 other guys in Southern MN/Northern Iowa/Eastern SD have Hobie 17s and its a single hander but you can put the wife on there for bombing around and we race about once a month within 3 hours of you mostly. PLUS, we have tried (albeit not as successfully this year) to ensure ourselve on the very coridial Wisconsin guys at Madison once a year. Price point will be a bit (**** ton as Karlos says) lower on the Hobie 17 and we have a one design fleet in place, close by. smile
Posted By: Mpls_Nacra

Re: New Cat - 09/27/13 01:39 AM

So I am setteling in on the F16. Thanks for all the posts.


Next question, which brand to look for? AHCP, NACRA, Blade, Falcon.... ect

So Define Bigger guy, 250..... I know there are weight issuse on the f16.

Any suggestions on how to find out boat condition from an independant source to look it over, before the big road trip to get it?

Karl, yep that was likely me he was calling for.

Xander, thx for the input. I'll definately have to check your group out.

Thx again.
DF
Posted By: samc99us

Re: New Cat - 09/27/13 02:09 PM

Brand: Falcon Marine makes the Blade and the Falcon F16 and are located in the U.S. For heavier weights I would recommend the Falcon, the Blade is quick but can pitch pole upwind. AHPC makes a nice product that has an excellent race record, again well suited to heavier weights.

Your problem is you're shopping used. No Nacra F16's available on the used market, nor really many Falcons, so probably best bet will end up being a Viper.

Will need to contact a local beachcat sailor wherever the boat is if you want an independent review. That can be tough.

Finally, the F18 is really the modern equivalent of your 5.8, and worth considering if you'd like to race 2-up. You will be hard pressed to find a 50lb crew to race the F16 two up.
Posted By: Timbo

Re: New Cat - 09/27/13 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by samc99us
Brand: Falcon Marine makes the Blade and the Falcon F16 and are located in the U.S. For heavier weights I would recommend the Falcon, the Blade is quick but can pitch pole upwind.


I've been racing my Blade for about 5 years now, never pitchpoled upwind, but I did install a SAS a few years ago, that has hepled!
Posted By: davefarmer

Re: New Cat - 10/05/13 07:26 PM

What's an SAS Timbo?
Posted By: rehmbo

Re: New Cat - 10/05/13 08:12 PM

Stability Augmentation System. Check the America's Cup conspiracy theory thread.
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