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Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS

Posted By: NacramanUK

Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/15/14 01:55 PM

Full foiling F20 FCS pricing now announced.....please PM me for details....

NacramanUK
Posted By: Timbo

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/15/14 02:08 PM

Is this the one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjVEOoNPXWc
Posted By: Tony_F18

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/15/14 05:00 PM

So, how much is it?
Posted By: NacramanUK

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/15/14 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Timbo


Yes thats the one.....full foils with angle of attack adjustment and cassette style T foils.......new hull position for the dagger board cases.....retro fitable kit of foils (including AoA adjuster system) , rudder system and dagger board cases (with fitting instructions) available for existing F20 C's......please pm me for European pricing....
Posted By: ThunderMuffin

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/15/14 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by NacramanUK
Originally Posted by Timbo


Yes thats the one.....full foils with angle of attack adjustment and cassette style T foils.......new hull position for the dagger board cases.....retro fitable kit of foils (including AoA adjuster system) , rudder system and dagger board cases (with fitting instructions) available for existing F20 C's......please pm me for European pricing....


How about for real money pricing?
Posted By: Pirate

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/15/14 11:24 PM

wise man once said.....


if you have to ask .... you can't afford it !
Posted By: catandahalf

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/16/14 10:24 PM

Key Sailing, on Pensacola Beach, should be test flying the new kit on Kirk's N 20 C by mid summer. Call Kirk or Charlie for information. They will be hosting their annual Midwinter Championship next weekend, and I bet we will know more by the time the regatta is over.
Posted By: samc99us

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/18/14 06:49 PM

Mod photos? Pricing? Sounds like fluff till I see it!
Posted By: Jake

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/18/14 06:52 PM

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Posted By: Mark Schneider

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/18/14 07:33 PM

got one of those gifs for VIDEOS!

So.. we have production 2 man 20 footer that flies. Nacra Carbon 20

We have a production 2 man 18 footer that flies. Flying Phantom

And we have production single handed A cats that will fly as well (class may or may not be so happy about that)

When do you hit critical mass in these flying fleets?
Posted By: Jake

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/18/14 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
got one of those gifs for VIDEOS!

So.. we have production 2 man 20 footer that flies. Nacra Carbon 20

We have a production 2 man 18 footer that flies. Flying Phantom

And we have production single handed A cats that will fly as well (class may or may not be so happy about that)

When do you hit critical mass in these flying fleets?


Yesterday...it's a fad. wink

Seriously, though...we'll probably eventually see it consolidate into one, ~maybe~ two classes. 20 footers have been out of style for a while - I'm betting on the 18 foot a-cat first and then some other kind of double handed class later.
Posted By: NacramanUK

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/18/14 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jake
[Linked Image]


Pics/video Full foiling F20 Carbon FCS video

This is the prototype without T foil rudders and without the new style dagger board cases in their new position.......Melvin and Morreli did all the numbers on new the position of the new style tapered cases ......
Posted By: Jake

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/18/14 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by NacramanUK
Originally Posted by Jake
[Linked Image]


Pics/video [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjVEOoNPXWc][/url]

This is the prototype without T foil rudders and without the new style dagger board cases in their new position.......Melvin and Morreli did all the numbers on new the position of the new style tapered cases ......


So, "see the previous pictures. But they're totally different".

I'm mostly jesting...it's not like 90% of us are in the market for anything like this but it would be nice to see how they're configuring the foiling technology.
Posted By: Mark Schneider

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 01:28 AM

Yesterday...it's a fad. wink

Never gets old...
Still the old man was right!

The single handed spin class never took off (F16 or NF17)


Seriously, though...we'll probably eventually see it consolidate into one, ~maybe~ two classes. 20 footers have been out of style for a while - I'm betting on the 18 foot a-cat first and then some other kind of double handed class later.


Well, If you look at the moth experience... they have 5 events on the schedule in 4 venues.... It is pretty much a national class.

So... I agree.... you might get a national class of flying A class first.

Of course Nacra could fix the N17 for the next quad with their new foils and t foil rudders.... and grow the N17 class beyond Olympic sailors.

You will never convince me that the current boat is well behaved..
flying N17 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...83.1073742013.100000032863762&type=1
Posted By: bacho

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 12:18 PM

The European price I got on the retro fit kit was 7,445 ex tax/shipping. An exciting offering but certainly not cheap!

The new FCS at 31,250 is 2773 (before tax/shipping) more than the race package equipped F20c.

Sounds to me that it's hard to justify the kit on a used boat as it would be just over $10k before any installation labor. The kit does sound very interesting, I would love to see some pictures.


The flying phantom is 28,260 for comparison.
Posted By: NacramanUK

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by bacho
The European price I got on the retro fit kit was 7,445 ex tax/shipping. An exciting offering but certainly not cheap!

The new FCS at 31,250 is 2773 (before tax/shipping) more than the race package equipped F20c.

Sounds to me that it's hard to justify the kit on a used boat as it would be just over $10k before any installation labor. The kit does sound very interesting, I would love to see some pictures.


The flying phantom is 28,260 for comparison.


Please remember although the F20Carbon FCS is Euro 2,990 more than the Flying Phantom the F20 FCS hulls are 12.3% longer (6.2m), its beam width is 6.6% wider (3.2m), its mast is 8.8% longer (10.45m), the main sail area is 16% larger (21m2) and the spinnaker sail area is 16% larger (28m2). So you do get a lot more boat for your money!
Posted By: samc99us

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 05:37 PM

Plus a little more local support, for whatever that is worth in Nacra $$ these days. IMO, at this stage of the game, if you have to ask what it costs you don't have the capital required for WHEN the foils break. The other route to take is do the design work and build work yourself; how much is your time worth and are you as good as M&M at design work?

How many non-flying F20c's are there? How many Phantoms are there in the U.S in the road-legal stock F-18 version? Remember, both of these boats are 10' wide and carbon prices aren't going down. The only classes you'll be racing in full flying this decade are the Moth and A-cat, otherwise it's a line-honors machine.

There is also a lot more going on in Europe than Nacraman is letting on in this thread....Mark have any leads on a good used Marstrom T w/ modern carbon rig?
Posted By: NacramanUK

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by samc99us
Plus a little more local support, for whatever that is worth in Nacra $$ these days. IMO, at this stage of the game, if you have to ask what it costs you don't have the capital required for WHEN the foils break. The other route to take is do the design work and build work yourself; how much is your time worth and are you as good as M&M at design work?

How many non-flying F20c's are there? How many Phantoms are there in the U.S in the road-legal stock F-18 version? Remember, both of these boats are 10' wide and carbon prices aren't going down. The only classes you'll be racing in full flying this decade are the Moth and A-cat, otherwise it's a line-honors machine.

There is also a lot more going on in Europe than Nacraman is letting on in this thread....Mark have any leads on a good used Marstrom T w/ modern carbon rig?


Hehehe sam........
Posted By: NacramanUK

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by NacramanUK
Originally Posted by samc99us
Plus a little more local support, for whatever that is worth in Nacra $$ these days. IMO, at this stage of the game, if you have to ask what it costs you don't have the capital required for WHEN the foils break. The other route to take is do the design work and build work yourself; how much is your time worth and are you as good as M&M at design work?

How many non-flying F20c's are there? How many Phantoms are there in the U.S in the road-legal stock F-18 version? Remember, both of these boats are 10' wide and carbon prices aren't going down. The only classes you'll be racing in full flying this decade are the Moth and A-cat, otherwise it's a line-honors machine.

There is also a lot more going on in Europe than Nacraman is letting on in this thread....Mark have any leads on a good used Marstrom T w/ modern carbon rig?


Hehehe sam........


Just to clarify standard F18 Phantoms are 8'6" wide, Flying Phantoms are 10' wide, F20 Carbon and F20 Carbon FCS are 10' 6" wide......
Posted By: TeamChums

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 06:15 PM

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You will never convince me that the current boat is well behaved..


If you want a well behaved cat, then get a H21 Sport Cruiser.
Posted By: samc99us

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by NacramanUK
Originally Posted by NacramanUK
Originally Posted by samc99us
Plus a little more local support, for whatever that is worth in Nacra $$ these days. IMO, at this stage of the game, if you have to ask what it costs you don't have the capital required for WHEN the foils break. The other route to take is do the design work and build work yourself; how much is your time worth and are you as good as M&M at design work?

How many non-flying F20c's are there? How many Phantoms are there in the U.S in the road-legal stock F-18 version? Remember, both of these boats are 10' wide and carbon prices aren't going down. The only classes you'll be racing in full flying this decade are the Moth and A-cat, otherwise it's a line-honors machine.

There is also a lot more going on in Europe than Nacraman is letting on in this thread....Mark have any leads on a good used Marstrom T w/ modern carbon rig?


Hehehe sam........


Just to clarify standard F18 Phantoms are 8'6" wide, Flying Phantoms are 10' wide, F20 Carbon and F20 Carbon FCS are 10' 6" wide......


Thanks, realize my post was a bit wonky. Point was Phantom has limited market presence in the U.S and not many F20C's have been sold.
Posted By: NacramanUK

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by samc99us
Originally Posted by NacramanUK
Originally Posted by NacramanUK
Originally Posted by samc99us
Plus a little more local support, for whatever that is worth in Nacra $$ these days. IMO, at this stage of the game, if you have to ask what it costs you don't have the capital required for WHEN the foils break. The other route to take is do the design work and build work yourself; how much is your time worth and are you as good as M&M at design work?

How many non-flying F20c's are there? How many Phantoms are there in the U.S in the road-legal stock F-18 version? Remember, both of these boats are 10' wide and carbon prices aren't going down. The only classes you'll be racing in full flying this decade are the Moth and A-cat, otherwise it's a line-honors machine.

There is also a lot more going on in Europe than Nacraman is letting on in this thread....Mark have any leads on a good used Marstrom T w/ modern carbon rig?


Hehehe sam........


Just to clarify standard F18 Phantoms are 8'6" wide, Flying Phantoms are 10' wide, F20 Carbon and F20 Carbon FCS are 10' 6" wide......


Thanks, realize my post was a bit wonky. Point was Phantom has limited market presence in the U.S and not many F20C's have been sold.


No worries Sam....will send you some pics of the UK project as soon as possible....
Posted By: stampede

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 07:26 PM

sounds as the foil-package might be available soon. Interesting that NACRA has never replied to my request for such a nice package although i own two of these beauties.
I will never understand their Marketing strategy....
cheers from germany
Posted By: samc99us

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 08:13 PM

Your not from Sweden...

One most remember, at last checking, Nacra was a play business for the owner (NOT the dealers, corporate!)...they are overwhelmed just managing the Olympic 17 as is, my gut says the F20 FCS has been developed as a trial platform for the next generation of 17 foils.
Posted By: NacramanUK

Re: Full foiling Nacra F20 FCS - 03/19/14 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by stampede
sounds as the foil-package might be available soon. Interesting that NACRA has never replied to my request for such a nice package although i own two of these beauties.
I will never understand their Marketing strategy....
cheers from germany


More than happy to fill you in on the details of the F20C FCS and also the upgrade kit for existing F20 C's including delivery times. Please pm me.....

NacramanUK
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