Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo

Scheurer G7
Looks like another foiling design ; should be getting
cheaper to buy, with more competition entering the market ?

http://www.catsailingnews.com/2014/04/a-class-new-scheurer-g7-foiling-mode.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjHDuILoXpc

Bille

Oh my mind...camera zoom should never be used on an unstable platform.

It pains me to say this, (cause i think "Your" just as
Unstable
as the camera used in this film )

But YEA, i also got sea-sick watching the video.

Still though, solo on this machine, looks to be WAY
more fun , than solo on a Moth ?

Bille

If I were given either for free, I wouldn't complain. Given the choice between the two? Tough call for me. Probably the cat, just because I don't live in a great place to be sailing a Moth.

I don't know...the moth seems to be a more efficient platform for foiling. Half as many foils, smaller, lighter. I suppose that maybe the cat is better suited for the upper speed end of things (once they get better stability through design) but the moth is going to be foiling at lower wind ranges.

Somehow I imagine sailing a moth is a bit like riding a unicycle: A great way to hurt yourself. Doesn't mean I don't want to try

Also, you can buy used foiling moths under $7k which doesn't get you much of an A-cat, much less a foiling one.

You can get it for 7k but you won't be competitive at that price and you can't sail in less than 4 or 5 feet of water ever. Well I guess you could as long as you were foiling and didn't come down.

Not sure if you want to sail any foiling craft in less than 4/5 ft of water.
Somehow I think launching a foiling cat solo would be a major pain in the butt. Not like you can leave it while you take the cattraks back to shore. It's almost like there would always have to be ground crew. Where as a moth you just pick it up and carry it into the water.
To me these boats are only suitable for lake/bay sailing because no way you are going to launch/land in the surf. And in a good swell these things are going to launch off every other wave.
Because of this I tend to think of them as a small cat not a beach cat.

I don't see how getting it into the water is different from any other cat. You need to do something with the boat while your dealing with the cat-trax no matter what.

or weeds, or turtles, or jellyfish, or...

Manatee's.

Had to stand up, and view that video from 4-ft away, in-order
to not get sick.
Once i watched how stable this Lil cat was,(at speed); i was
SOLD !!

SO -- i looked up the specification for the A-class cat on
Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_A-class_catamaran

Currently the main A-Class class rules are:[3]

Min overall boat weight : 75 kg
Max overall boat length : 5.49 m (= still the old IYRU rule)
Max overall boat width : 2.30 m (= still the old IYRU rule)
Max sail area incl. mast : 13.94 m2 (= still the old IYRU rule)

I got to say : "I'm impressed" !
How can a Guy make a 19-ft cat , (fully rigged) for only
165 Lb ? I could basically, pick up the entire boat by
myself,if i could find a balance point !!

I think that is where the High-Cost comes from, That machine
would need to be made of carbon or Spectra, to be competitive.

If 75kg is there target weight ; wonder what the actual weight
of the competitive ones are ?

Bille

Pretty sure it is going to be 75kg or very close to it.

Difference in launching solo is I can pull the tracks and leave it on the hard(1 to 2 inches of water) then pull/float it on the waves to deeper water.

My 13 year old Kevlar constructed, aluminum beamed Boyer MKIV was only 6 pounds over minimum weight. It's actually not that hard to build to minimum for that class and the boats are durable (i.e I was sailing a 13 year old boat).

Most of the new boats are 2kg under to allow for weight gain over time.

And like Jake said, they are much more durable than you think. As long as you don't run them into anything, they hold up well.

After i read that, i took a camera and pointed it
towards the front X-Beam on my Hobie 21se through
the access hole ...

OMG !!! --- there wasn't even a FULL bulkhead in that spot
where the Beam & Hull tie together ; i was blown away, because
i know my 21 is strong. I've seen pictures of the Hobie 20
split in 1/2 near that spot, but not the 21.

SO now, i'm thinking : we need Someone to develop a foiling
14 or 15ft cat, for the single handed sailor ; something
car-top-able, in the 40 to 50Kg range, ...
and under $15-K. HA !!!

Bille

There are foiling windsurfers now, and foiling kite boards, that would be easier and cheaper than building a new 15 foot foiler.

There are foiling windsurfers now, and foiling kite boards, that would be easier and cheaper than building a new 15 foot foiler.

There are foiling windsurfers now, and foiling kite boards, that would be easier and cheaper than building a new 15 foot foiler.

YEP !!

Bille

15' 15,000 foiling. They are close.
http://www.catsailingnews.com/2014/02/stunt-9-by-michele-petrucci-flying-in.html

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=153886

well...$15k euros.. $21-$22k USD plus delivery still puts it in A-cat territory.

From a quick glance, it really looks like the daggerboards are far to aft for stable foiling and it, well...it just doesn't look that fast.

At first glance, i agreed with Ya ; then i read the article
and found out Why it works, and Why he went with that design.

Still TO0oo expensive though, not something an avarage-Joe
could afford ; and i think that's a : "BIG MISTAKE" , because
the guys Greed is gonna Cost him in sales. That thing could
be sold for Under $15-K, and still make a profit, if done
correctly.

Bille

For the most part, only Hobie has managed to still offer a non-foiling catamaran under $15k that can be sailed with a trapeze.

Now look what you've done, I came to his defense.

T2 is at $7900

Yep, and you can keep your milk fresh in it.

YEP !!
I called & asked a San Diego dealer today, how much for a New
Hobie-16 ; was close to $10-K , and a good deal for what
Ya get !! That came without a trailer though, something i
could get on Craigslist for $300 or less,
(with a few wooden & carpet Mods)for $50 more.

OK -- maybe a bit more carbon in the foiling Cat ; but
it's 2-ft shorter than the Hobie-16. Still say
a 14-ft foiling cat should go for under $15-K .

Bille

What do you mean by "for the most part"?

CFI will build you a custom Isotope (including sails) for $12.6k.

"for the most part" as in, I knew there are are outliers. Although, I didn't realize you could still buy an Isotope.

I don't really think it's fair to compare the stunt to any Hobie product. I would guess that the profit margins on all of these boats are quite a bit lower than you would think.