Nacra 20 FCS vs M32 vs Foiling Kite vs Moth - Featuring JC

This will be cool.

f*&#ing tease.

No kidding...that was a pretty big let down!

Well, wait until next week.

That is not cool man!

It could have at least started out and let us know it was a preview! I felt like I've been tricked and I wanted my time back at the end of it.

{sad face}

Jake.... face it... we are getting old...

This is the new way to communicate.... build the hype.... tease the story. Hey... Could have been worse... a couple of vines... At the very least... they could have had some really hot babes walk thru.... if what you are selling is eye candy.... go with the universal and timeless bikini shots.

I would have given them a bit of a pass for wasting my time...

lol

(see, I'm catching on)

It's amazing that in SA everyone is putting the Nacra last. Don't understand.

I guess we don't know if it's around a course or outright speed in any direction.

My guess, Kite, Moth, Nacra, M32

With catman, I think the result is going to heavily depend on the angle of sail.

At 1:29 ; it appears the Kite-board with the foil
is out-front . The kite is about $2.5K and the foil
with board is close to the same ; so for $5 grand, you
can beat a Much more expensive machine !!
Part of that is because the kite is probably on 27 to
30 meter lines ; so it can catch cleaner air, since
the center of effort, is coming from 10 to 15-M above the water.
Also , the kite is helping a Lot to lift the weight
of the rider out of the water, so the foil can fly at a
lower AOA than the sailboats.

I got a sponsor, to learn to kite-board with a foil this
summer ; my Hobie 21 will be use a LOT this summer for
camping trips with all my kiteing equipment at Lake Mohave.
Good or Bad, I'll let Ya know , how my foiling experience goes ...

Bille

does the kite or the moth carry a cooler of beer or bikini babes/russian brides?

Personally the whole thing is silly. I would take the M-32. Take the cooler and several bikini clad russian wife want a be's.

It's up to you then Taddermuffin to post that rickytick once it's out.

You know the M32's foil too, right?

No way the Nacra will be faster than that, just like the AC45's weren't faster than the AC72's.

AC45s didn't foil. They're already reporting that they have them going as fast as the 72s now that they've modified them for foiling...but I digress.

So you think the N20 will be faster than the M32?

M32 does not foil. It has curved boards, but it is not fully foiling.

Fastest around the course, likely by a long way, will be the foiling kiteboard. Just so much more efficient than any of the others.

Second IMHO is an interesting question between the Moth and the Nacra. Moth is certainly more refined and likely faster upwind, but lacks the extra downwind sail area of the Nacra.

The Marstrom is quick, but I really don't see it matching the others unless it is light enough where the moth and Nacra aren't foiling. In that case, the moth would be last by a lot.

Details form Pat Rynne:

Here are some more details about the races. We only had enough time to run 2 Windward Leewards. Here is the scoop

- Weather mark was about 1.5 miles upwind
- Breeze was about 15 knots, everybody was powered
- Kiter was using a 12 square meter kite
- Bay chop was moderate (1-2 feet)
- Plastic bags and sargasso weed WERE present throughout the course

Athletes
Kite - Zack Marks (head sailing coach at Eckerd College)
Moth - Jonny Goldsberry
Nacra - John Casey and Colin Page
M32 - Anthony Kotoun, Tommy Loughborough, Tripp Burd, Cy Thompson, Jeremy Wilmot

throw in a foiling MOD 70. Who's yo' momma now, bi*ch?

Who made the video, why, and if it's already done, why do we have to wait until March 11 to see it?

Here's some Kites Vs. big Trimaran while you wait for March 11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46k0cIhRTKs

Video was made by Pat Rynne and the folks at Waterlust. Pat is a PhD student at University of Miami, sailed for Brown in college, did and Olympic campaign in the 49er. Very good sailor.

Check out http://www.waterlust.org/ to see more of their stuff.

As for why do we have to wait? Probably because it causes conversations like this one!

The previous instalment in the series was Kite vs Moth vs 49er.

For a windward leeward course my predictions are:

• The kite is going to be ahead. By a lot. Plus the kite can go around another boat easily as the kite flies high and over the other boats disturbed air…
• Second should be the moth. With a good driver the moth never goes down to floating mode, and always foils all around the course. Unless the pilot looses it, something always possible on those instable beasts.
• Third will be the Nacra20, as long as it can foil upwind. If it can't the M32 is going to eat it for lunch (32', 500kgs!)

This said, whoever takes the start fully powered on the gun is going to have a massive advantage.

Wow, that was some great racing (Moth v kite v 49'r)!

I didn't know kites could go upwind better than a Moth and a 49'r! Yeah, I think you've got the right finish order.

And what about foiling kites? Can they go upwind as well as the non-foiling kites?

Foiling kites are, so far, slower than non foiling ones. Not to mention far more tricky to control.

Your "WRONG" Dude !!

The world speed record for a kite, was done in a channel
with 40+ mph wind and only went in one direction ...
however
the closed-course pylon racing where the contestants have
to go around a circle of some type in both directions, the
hydrofoils are now Eating-UP the race-boards, that use to dominate !!!

Kiting hydrofoils are now doing over 40-mph and will soon be
overtaking the AC-72's . (Smile) because you can do that
with $5-K worth of equipment !

Bille

new video is up

Told Ya , that the Kite with a Hydrofoil, would WIN !!

Kite average for (2) races = 6:04
M32 ------------------------ 7:48
Others --------(too Slow to mention)

Bille

Impressive result by the 32, I'm surprised

Would be interesting to repeat this over a range of wind speeds......

And use the full foiling GC32, and the Flying Phantom F18, instead of the Marstrom and N20...

I'm still thinking none of those will beat the foiling kite.

Yeah, let's see how speedy that board is in 4kts of breeze!

There you go!

I pick an A cat for the 4kt race!

I pick a jet ski in 4kt's...

4-kts ? Yea --- my money would be on the M32 !!

I think the minimum wind needed for a foiling kite is around 6-kts ; but
remember that kite can be put on 40-meter lines, to take
advantage of wind that above the wind-gradient.

Anything , and i mean Anything above 6-kts, up to 40-kts
and the kite is gonna Win , (except against the AC-72).
And the kiter is gonna win with about $5-k worth of equipment !

Sailrocket , only goes in One direction .

Bille

I could win with my jet ski with about $1200 in equipment, in just about any wind. Oops, make that $1250. I forgot about my life jacket

And you forgot about gas...how much in gas? ;^)