How should the Worrell 1000 be done?

I am asking this in my capacity as editor/publisher of "Catamaran Sailor" magazine.

As you all know, the Worrell 1000 has been canceled for this year. It is a major blow to both competitors and fans. And I am sure it has been very painful for Michael Worrell, as well, because this race is his life's passion.

But, without questioning and criticizing management of the race, it would be nice to have input from everybody as to how YOU think this race should be done in the future?

Obviously, the race organizer has ultimate control over the format of this race, and that is as it should be. But I'm sure he would be interested in hearing the opinions of the sailors who have participated in the race in the past and would like to do so in the future.

There are so many questions, and many opinions have already been offered in other forums. It would just be nice to get all the opinions and ideas consolidated here in one place so that we can all get a better idea of what the sailors want and what would be the best format for the event and how this event can best further the cause of promoting the sport of beach-cat sailing. It is Michael Worrell's event, but it is also the most important and prestigious and challenging event in the world for beach cats. If we don't want it to die again, as it did for several years, we need to find out what people really want from this race -- as competitors and as spectators.

Michael Worrell may own the name Worrell 1000, but he does not own the venue and course. So my question is: If you were running the race, what would be the format?

Here are a just a few of the questions that have already been asked, and some answered elsewhere:

Is it good for it to be done on one-design boats as opposed to "run what you brung," and racing boat-for-boat? Or should it be raced on Portsmouth handicap?
Do you think it should just require an entry fee and everybody be on their own to have a boat and arrange for their own rooms and logistics?
Or do you like the "package plan" that was supposed to be in effect this year, where boats and all the logistical stuff is provided?
Should next year's race be for all Formula 18HT's? Or should it be for all Formula 18's? Or should it possibly include both of those Formula classes? Or do you think the current plan to do the 2004 race on Nacra F-18's is the best?
What would be the most fun and most accessible to the most number of people, boatwise and pricewise?
What is the real purpose of this race (at least for the majority of the participants) -- to try to win it? Or just to DO it and try to FINISH it?
Is it getting too complicated? Is it getting too expensive?
Do you like the idea of competitors all putting in $20,000, in addition to the package price and entry fee, so that cash prizes can be awarded? Or would you rather not have cash prizes (at least in that kind of format)?
Should it start going back to that basic premise of the barroom bet -- see if we can get from here to there?
And what about the "development class" that was so popular back in the 1980's? Do you think it would be good to have that again?
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Underlying everything is the big question -- would anybody else want to undertake the organization and running of this race under a different name? It only lasted a couple years under the name World 1000, and then there was an eight-year hiatus until Michael Worrell took it over again. Nobody stepped in to take over during all that time. Would anybody be willing to do so in the future? Hmm?

This is my opinion as a rookie & amateur sailor but big fan of the Worrell for the last 3-4 races. I think is a good idea to use formula racing, either F18, F20 or F18HT (F16?). But, choose one, I like the format that the first one on the finish line wins. Portsmouth or including more than one Formula class on the same race would be confusing for the spectator and would loose interest.
On the other hand, this race is excellent for some kind of experimental and/or developmental class. This would make the race very interesting and eye candy for the spectator and also may bring some new tech advancement to beach-cat sailing in general. Maybe set some very lose rules and the fastest boat to the line wins...
Now , prize money: How could organizers are talking about a 1million prize money , and were not able to actually put the race together for this year? . Thank God that the entry fee for the 1million $ was not in place for this year...

Jaime

Thanks, Mary, for putting this up for broad, open discussion. When I saw your post, I immediately thought of the marathon I'll be running at the end of May. I've never run one before, and, Lord knows, I’ll lose no sleep wondering whether I'll finish in the top 100 (or thousand). All I want to do is finish, and satisfy my own personal desire to run a marathon.

Same goes for the Worrell 1000. I live in a state where seasons are referred to as "winter, followed by two weeks of damned poor sledding". In addition to environmental factors, I have young children and lots of outdoor hobbies that compete for my time. I know that I'll never be on a level with those of you who can remain more focused and sail year round. I do, however, often entertain the notion of someday entering the Worrell - for nothing more than to finish. (That goal, given the humbling nature of the sea, can be challenge enough.)

As with the big name marathons, the Worrell may require a certain level of qualification requirements, but those should be more safety related rather than a way to limit the event to top competitors.

In terms of organization, I find myself favoring the formula format.



I’m not so sure that multiple classes would be a problem, however, given that most folks "see" the race in terms of standings tables rather than live from the beaches along the course. The more options there are for entrants, the more the race will remain within the realm of possibility for us dreamers.

Thanks again, Mary, for kicking this off. I look forward to a generous amount of discussion of what folks would like to see for the Worrell 1000’s future.

Kevin,
I don't know if you will get your wish about people talking about it a lot on this thread and on this forum. Maybe it is because the people who frequent this forum are not really interested in races like the Worrell 1000. Or maybe it is because they don't want to respond on a forum where they are registered and somebody might know who they are. They would rather complain and criticize anonymously on the Old Forum than offer positive input on the New Forum.

So here is my humble opinion:
I think the race should be open to all boats 18-20 feet that want to do it, but they have to have spinnakers (because this is usually a downwind race, and the race committee doesn't want to be up all night waiting for boats to get in).

AND, it should be scored on actual-finish-basis, no handicap.

AND, development boats should be allowed.

AND, everyone should bring their own boat and take care of their own logistics.

(Teams, should, of course, be pre-qualified and approved by the organizer on the basis of experience.)

I think that would make for a very interesting race and attract a LOT of boats. It would also attract a lot of interest because of the diversity of boats and especially because of the development class. In the "old days" of the race, the development class was the big attraction. And it was also inspiring a lot of new and interesting ideas for multihulls. We have not seen any of that happening since the development class was eliminated from the Worrell.

Hmmm. Given the traffic that this site sees during the Worrell 1000, I'm guessing that there are a lot of folks scratching their heads following the cancellation announcement. Come on, y'all. Where are your thoughts?

In addition to Mary's questions, what race format would entice YOU to enter the Worrell 1000.

Mary, I know I won't be doing the race in this incarnation, but I love to follow it! I think the guidelines you gave sound VERY excitng! It would be incredible to have a lot of different boats competing! I wish Mike had reconsidered, and opened the race up for people with boats etc...Anyway I love your idea! Brian

Mary,

I agree with you. Only a couple of rules; stick with the spirit of the original event.

1) More than 1 class could would be Ok but no more than 2-3 to keep max # of boats in each one. First to finish wins. This is easiest on the race commitee, easiest for spectators and provided imediate info to the racers.
2) Sail what you brought. The conditions in 1000 miles will be so varied the probability of each boat having a day in its favor is pretty good. Brand new production boats are comming out all the time, why should they be treated any different than somebodies home project. An equal oportunity event.
3) Most importantly keep it as low cost as possible. 2 weeks off work with travel, and loging is expensive enough. Most sailors I know do not have the time or drive to set up a sucessfull advertizing campain. Massive sponsorship should not have to be required. (As a side not to that, you can not expect to have the participants fund a purse for the event. A lot of people entering an event like this would have goals of being mid pack, or just finishing. Those people will not be attracted to an event if they then have to fund 20K for someone elses purse. I feel getting the enrolment up and then feeding some media to get event sponsored smaller purses would seem to me a slower but more sound way of growing this feature.)

Participation in all cat regattas is down. My take on this type of event is that it should be no different than every race. We should concentrate on increasing attendance. I personally love the competitive aspect of racing, but I go to events for the people and the "party". For me there needs to be both to make it worth spending time attending an event.

Matt

i'm with you too mary, 18-20 ft and run what you brung. that would really open up the possibility of participating to a lot of people who would love to do it. and create some nascar style chevy vs ford rivalry, might even get some manufacturers interested.

My feeling is that a Forumula 18 class would be the best bet and have only one class -- again to keep it simple and understandable to the vast audience that we have been able to acquire while reporting this event on this website.
In the Forumula class you certainly can have development boats as well as the many boats already in the mix for the f18 class.
Guess this is saying that the F18HT would not be allowed since they are much, much lighter than the specs for the F18, but if you are going use a Formula, you need to stick to the formula.
Since this is a long endurance race, you may wonder why I did not specify the Formula 20. And I would except no one can seemingly agree on anything in the F20 Class -- it has been many years in the making and still no F20 action in the U.S. Too bad, because a 20-footer would be a better boat than the 18-footer for this event.
On the other hand, perhaps this 1000-mile event could be the beginning of a solid F20 Class. Just set the maximum dimension for the Forumla and if it fits, you can race. If it doesn't, you can't. Maybe that would end the bickering for the F20 class.

When Michael Worrell introduced the idea of the package deal, I was astounded. Good deal for the teams, but what a burden to be put on the organizer. When we host the NAMSA Tradewinds Midwinter Open Cat Nationals here in Key Largo every year, we would never dream of handling housing, transportation, and boats for the 109 teams that show up. Can you imagine the logistical nightmare that would be?
The event needs to charge a fee that would cover the expenses of the organizers, and let each team be on their own -- stay where they want, drive what they want, get from spot to spot however they want, etc. Of course, for newbies to the event a booklet on suggestions for logistics would definitely be needed (i.e., how to handle the ferry situtation to Hatteras - make your own reservations, go early, or go around by roads)

As for a purse, it would be great if it were put up by another source, but certainly not a lotto deal put in by all the sailing teams.

Rick

[color:"green"]Both F18 and F20 foot classes. The F20's would just have to get their act together.[/color]


[color:"green"]While I do like one design in concept, the "run what you brung" format seems like it would promote the broadest participation. [/color]


[color:"green"]No[/color]


[color:"green"]Yes. [/color]


[color:"green"]I'll have an eye on this year's inaugural running of the Tybee 500 to see how the multi-class format works. While I agree with others that the race would be best if run with one class, I think that multiple classes would open the race up to broader participation from those who don’t want to go out and purchase a new boat each year. [/color]


[color:"green"] “Run what ya brung”, and forget about the big purse if it comes out of the racers’ pockets. [/color]


[color:"green"]Having not participated, I can only speculate, but I would say that finishing is the goal for many. [/color]


[color:"green"]Don’t know if it’s getting too complicated, but it sure seemed like it was heading down the road of too expensive. [/color]


[color:"green"]NO! [/color]


[color:"green"]If someone out there is making tons of money that they don’t know what to do with, sure, have them donate it to the purse. But only if an equal amount gets distributed among all racers in the form of incentives/ spare parts/food/parties/etc. [/color]


[color:"green"]I think the race has evolved beyond that . . . [/color]


[color:"green"]The race was unknown to me back then. I’ll be curious to hear from those involved. [/color]


[color:"green"]Ah, now Mary, you’ve saved the biggest question for the end. Despite what’s happened to this year’s race, or the way that it’s been handled in the past, or the way that might be handled in the future, we have to give Mike Worrell credit for the time and money he’s put into the event over the years. Folks in this forum and elsewhere are never short of opinions, but I’m sure the line of individuals who’d want to step in to fill the void is pretty darned short.[/color]

I totally disagree with my office-mate and stand by my opinion and recommendations. I think a one-class race -- even a formula class -- is BORING.

It should be a boat-for-boat race, all one fleet, scored strictly in order of actual finish, but with a wide variety of boats allowed to enter. Let the best boat (and team) win.

I say keep the rules simple and inclusive. I see no reason to run the race only on one make / model / class of boat. If people want to see the best of the best racing then let them race whatever boat they want. Keep it simple, nothing over 21' or under 16'. Production hulls / masts / rudders only. Modified rigging / sails are allowed.

No more Portsmouth Rating. If you want to even the playing field, toss out the Portsmouth Ratings. Once the racers know there is no advantage to sailing a slower rated boat, they will go out and get what they think will win it with all out speed. Maybe the top 5 teams will end up
sailing F18 hulls... maybe not.

This could be the event that becomes the proving ground for tomorrow's technology. By adding a one million dollar purse and doing away with rating restraints, you drive technology and you create a sporting spectacle... the fusion of technology, nature and man.

Mary,
Boats: I waivered back and forth between you and your "office mate" on the boats that should be involved. A formula class at least so there are more than one manufacturer. Your "run what you brung" idea is more interesting but in a year or two would coalesce around a single boat that proves itself dominant (although this could happen with a formula class as well).
Format: Keep the cash out of it, especially if you're just collecting it from the competitors. There are sponsors that will help with the bills, especially if you have media coverage and the racers will race it for a trophy and the glory. It brings back the corinthian element.
Race to win?: Some do, but I bet at least half race to finish (that would be my measure of success).
Last thought: It would be a shame to lose the race as it is one of the few (only?) cat events to make it to the general sailing public's awareness and was ready to go mainstream in a sort of X games type fashion.

Hey
The important question is not how to run it... rather WHO WILL run it.

Just remember the following harsh facts.
Few volunteers are stepping forth and running events. For example.
Tradewinds is put on by Rick White and a small handful of volunteers from CABB. If Rick said... not this year... what are the odds that the event flies?!

When the Tampa fleet told Hobie... No, we won't run a Hobie only event.... There were NO OTHER Fleets or indiviuals who jumped up to host the midwinters. Instead... the dealer (Kirk at Key sailing)was forced to step forward (without his sailing club though) and has held the event the last two years.

The Down the Bay run by CRAC has not been held in a couple of years... WHY??? For no other reason then we don't have any volunteers to replace the saintly BJ Watkins to run it! AND WE HAVE ASKED! Before BJ... Hans Meijer deserves an enormous amount of credit for reviving the race, promoting the race and generating one of the original big distance races in the US.

The New England 100 comes and goes for periods of time depending on who will volunteer to organize the race. I am sure they have a record of the true supporters who have done more then their fair share in making the event happen.

Three new distance races are on the schedule for 2003. Rick Bliss is spearheading the Tybee 500. Steve Piche is driving the Texas 500 and Carl Roberts is pumping the Michigan 500?? So far... it looks like the they will be very succesful. This is outstanding. Thank you in advance Rick, Steve and Carl. ...

BUT, WHY do we believe that these folks will want to do all of the work next year??? Hell... they might want to race it.
We can not EXPECT them to step forward again...
We can PRAY that they will but...
Who knows what the future holds.... In general... you would be more hopeful if a club of people were behind the events... but... for Now... GREAT! Let us be sure we do not loose sight of the individuals who make a huge commitment of time and their own money for seeing these events through. And they get to run them any damn way they please (note the restriction on supercat 22's and 12' wide boats)

Mike Worrell probably could have managed this problem differently and upset many fewer people.... the would have and could have list is long....

But we must never loose sight of the fact that HE has committed the time and energy to running the race in the past and plans to do so in the future.

Mike's goal is to not run a glorified DTB or NE100! He is committed to running an international event, with prize money. Obviously... this is not the same as original intent of the race ... NOR is it friendly to the sailors who just want to compete because it is an adventure! Nevertheless... that is what he wants to do!

Until someone else steps forward and convinces us that he is committed to running a similar event and is in it for the long haul perhaps with different goals... Go Mike Worrell!

Hi Mary,
I agree with most of what you said except the development class being involved . That was tried and was Very expensive. I believe Carl Roberts and Randy both had boats in that year, not sure who else. I do know that few if any of the development boats made it. So on top of creating an arms race you introduce some serious safety concerns.It's bad enough with a known commodity.
Hope to see you and Rick at the Miami-Key Largo
Todd A. Hart
Team Cat Fever

You are right about the development class raising safety concerns. But people who are concerned about their own safety aren't going to do the Worrell 1000 on any boat.

And if a development boat isn't going to be able to make it through the whole race, that will certainly become apparent during the early legs along the Florida coast.

And, as Randy Smyth told me, even the Hobie 16's used to break up in this race.

And, people have a lot more safety and communications equipment with them on the boats now than they did back in the 1980's.

You are right that building a development boat can be expensive, but the only people who would do it are the people who can afford it -- and/or who feel a calling to design a better boat.

A development boat built today would undoubtedly be much safer and stronger than some of the concoctions we saw back in the 1980's, because construction and rigging technology has made so many advances -- and we have a much greater pool of knowledge about what works and what doesn't.

Having a development class for the Worrell will give people incentive to experiment with new (and old) ideas -- not necessarily with the goal of winning the race, but just to see whether the ideas will work.

A development boat does not necessarily mean a whole new boat built from scratch -- it can be a production platform with a different type of rig.

Development boats attract a lot more spectators to the beach just to look at the different designs and ideas -- and also make the race more interesting for the media, too.

And, tied in with the safety concern, having a development class might result in somebody coming up with the perfect boat for this kind of race -- fast, strong, light, hard to capsize and easy to right, and, most of all, a boat that loves going in and out through surf and sliding up onto beaches.

The "dream boat" won't happen unless we open an avenue and give some incentive and motivation for experimentation. In my opinion, the Worrell is the perfect avenue and the perfect showcase.

I will post again but my first inclination right now without (Damn I just burnt those burgers like down in Belize)hesitation is to have catsailor magazine with an increased subscription price bear the brunt of a new race up the coast remember though that Mike Worrell may not own a lot of the so called hidden rights to run the race, his name stands strong like Hobie does in the Alter in this particular case more irons in the fire is good and all indians and no chiefs will save the day.Backwards ,yes ,but now this man feels that he is not appreciated and also wronged by the cat sailing communitie . I personally have been involved with Chip C. attempts here in Delray and now we run our little event Pirate style.Do not douse MW. from the ranks open this race up in the old MAD MAD MAD World style that will create its own excitement..........I'll be back...

Why not return it to it's roots, and have it with few or no designated check points, allowing it to be a true "iron man" event. Sailors would have to pick the best times and places to rest (big time stategy decisions). Each boat would have to have it's own shore team following it up the coast. Too bad there's no time on distance handicap system, that would allow for a reverse start resulting in the first to the line winning the event.

This greatly simplifies the running of the event for the organizers. They would just have to fire a gun in Florida and wave a checkered flag in Virginia. The problem MW is going to have with running anything like the all inclusive race/fee type of event like been done recently, is now not many people are going to be trusting him with "up front" money. This greatly limits his options as to what type of event he can run.



Good luck, ML

The thought of returning the Worrell 1000 to its roots brings to mind events like The Race. Virtually no rules. Just get around the planet as fast as you can and hope that you don't self-destruct in the southern ocean.

While there are the obvious safety concerns, returning the Worrell to its roots certainly does have great appeal as a media event. In today's age of reality TV, we'd have a true "Survivor" spectacle.

To what extent are race organizers liable in such an event?

Mary and Kevin,

The reason not to do the race with the build your own boat format is that I understand in years past most boats did not make it to the finish. It would not be very good for media and spectators to watch a few boats trying to make it up the coast and not even being close to each other. I agree it would be fun to see the designs though.
As far as putting in all the check points, it is better for media and spectators to watch a start and finish each day. If you just raced the whole distance without any stops teams would be spread out all over. Spectators would only come to the start and finish (that would be two media events compared to 26 with check points).
I think F 18 or F 20 would be good and you would be sailing boat for boat and could have different manufactures competing aginst each other.

I like the no rules idea, or perhaps one, a maximum length just to exclude Playstation from taking that one as well.

My view is that it doesn't matter if you use a handicapping system.

My favourate race is Texel, almost any cat is allowed. And the great thing is that you can draw your own conclusions from the results.

The last time we did it we were the second fastest UK hobie 16, the guy that beat us had a spinnaker, therefor I can claim to be the fastest UK hobie 16 sailor that day

And if my trapese hadn't snapped putting me in the drink well who knows where we would have come.

It makes me feel alot better saying that than saying I came 331st!

I think the most important thing in sailing is participation, therefore it should be open to as many people as possible.

Texel "appears" to be run by the Dutch milatary, so with armed forces the size of USA's you should be able to organise one hell of a race.

Well, there ya go. Questions like that could eliminate sailboat races. But, on the other hand,if you are operating under the ISAF Racing Rules of Sailing, those rules place the responsibility entirely upon the competitor if the competitor chooses to go out on the water and race.

Mary,

I've always felt strongly that all responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of the sailor. However, we have become such a litigious society in recent decades, I was just curious if there were such nagging questions that might prevent folks from stepping up to the plate to organize events. Or, if there were any liability issues that might prevent a pull out the stops, no holds barred race.

A purely developmental format would alienate a lot of potential spectators. Even if we had the same kind of technology as on board boats during The Race, persons unfamiliar to sailing would no longer get the same kind of introduction to the Worrell as they do with local news casts and coverage in magazines like Sports Illustrated. Sure it would be interesting to us catsailors but somewhere along the way when somebody's rule buster is 200 miles in the lead it will get boring.

I think open formula boats are the way to go - and not one manufacturer's formula boat. An open formula format like F18 or F18ht would give sailors the opportunity to perform ~some~ experimentation and custom sail tuning within tight rules that would still provide fierce competition. Secondly, the RC should get away from being involved with the manufacturers and let the manufacturers go after the sailors. You think Nacra would want Alex and Nigel on a Nacra F18? You BET! They'll make them a sweet deal and any other sailor they want with the Nacra logo. Hobie? Jamie and Brian? You bet these manufacturers would all of the sudden be able to justify giving away a few boats. Even Billy and Bob can roll a custom boat out of their barn that will fit the formula rule independent of any manufacturer - that's good drama. Making a NASCAR analogy; the manufacturers do give incentives to race teams that choose their platform. If the race committee steps to the side a little and chooses formula, they no longer need to concern themselves with the complications in trying to obtain charter boats. Today's Worrell is at such a level that the majority of competitors already have at least one boat for the race anyway and we've seen what kind of complications can arise when the race committee tries to do too much - this is bad drama. Manage the checkpoints, make some deals with the hotels and maybe a truck rental company, set the rules, set the start and finish lines, let the manufacturers fight over the sailors, let the sailors obtain the boats, and let's bust some surf.

The prize money, that I was pretty excited about at first, now seems like a detraction and one more complicating factor that could potential cause harm to the race again - bad drama. I don't think prize money is bad but it's a hell of a burden to expect race teams to put up the anty when they are already on the outer edge of time and money. 36 teams joined up when the race cost went down for this year with the hotel/truck/boat inclusive $5000 entry fee (up from what? 18?). Now the cost goes waaaay up with the 'prize money anty entry fee' with the promise of cash at the end of the rainbow. I think that basing cash prizes on having more entries than the Worrell has ever seen (as far as I know - I haven't confirmed this) at a higher race cost than has even been had is a bit dreamy. Please Mike, take a step back, go to open formula and make it simple for yourself again. A cash prize would be a great boom to the race but make it a surprise announcement at the skipper's meeting on the first day after a sponser, not the sailors, has already put the cash in the bank - that's good drama.

I'm not a Worrell veteran but I hope to be someday - if I can ever afford it.

Mary,
I am a firm believer in keep it simple. Select one boat(done by committee of past racers and organizers) and commit to it for 3 years. The new boat would be selected right after the last of the three years. Make sails open as long as they measure in to the class rule. The rest of the boat would have to be class legal with the exception of safety equipment. This would allow teams to make an investment in a boat and keep the overall costs down. It would also make for the most competative racing.
I would keep the leg format but base the overall winner on points not overall time. Each leg would be 1 point per place. Lowest points wins with the tie breaker being over all time.
I'm not sure if I would continue with the night legs. They add excitement but the risk is may end up distroying the event(ie. we lose a boat and crew).
What the spectators want is close racing with excitement. The best press is when multiple boats are racing neck and neck.
I would also like to see a tracking system. It could be paid for by a paid web site and sponsor money. Add live feeds from the start and finish.

One point someone made is that if the race were held in a class that had multipule brands it would pit the various builders against each other... I love the idea!

I whole heartedly agree with that. BUT, I have some doubts that a brand like Hobie USA would even bother to challenge. Hobie sold more Wave's and Getaway's last year than any other boat. Hobie USA is developing great products for recreation and very little for racing. The new formula boats are from Hobie Europe.

Plus there is very little brand loyalty. The racing community follows trends. If a team won a bunch of events on an Inter18, I bet Hobie Tiger sailors would jump ship. So when it comes right down to it... what does the brand really matter?

I say open it up to any production boat with allowances for custom sails and rigging.

Jake,
You probably weren't involved in sailing back in the middle '80's when the Worrell had the development class. It's not a matter of the whole race being about development boats. There were only a few development boats and all the rest were regular boats. But those few added tremendous interest to the race and fueled those "what-ifs" and "wonder-why-nots" that wander around in our minds.

Back in the last half of the '50's, and maybe into the early '60's, NAMSA (or what soon became NAMSA) used to hold an event every year in New England, and people brought their one-off catamaran designs to show them off and try them out and test them against each other. That kind of thing did not happen again for 25 years until the development class was included in the Worrell for a few years. And now it has been another 15 years without a venue that encourages this kind of creativity.

It amazes me that all you engineer types out there are opposed to this while I, who have a reputation for fighting against change and technology, am in favor of the idea.

Maybe it is because, to me it seems like the same thing is happening to boats as happened to cars. They are all starting to look alike, and they all seem to have the same limitations.

I find myself thinking about the Worrell from two different sides in recent days. One side says, “wouldn’t it be great if the race were open to virtually anyone, with hundreds of boats on the line, in true marathon style?” The other side thinks about how to best ensure a tightly matched field.

As for media interest, it seems that if it were wide open you would certainly have a few top competitors to focus on for the win, but there would also be the human interest stories that surround the “also rans”.

The piece that I’m thinking about more than anything, though, is how could it become a race that is accessible to as many racers as possible? There are those who might argue that sailboat racing will never enjoy widespread spectator popularity, so why not focus the energy on getting as many boats on the line as possible?

Actually,

The Texel race is run by citizens but as the Dutch marines home port is just on the other side of the creek and can use a bit a high speed persuit practice the Dutch marines help out alot. And they have all the equipement and know-how to make the best safety crew that you can imagine.

Same situation exists at the Caribian regatta's where the Dutch marines have their tropical training grounds.

And of course alot of ex-marines are cat sailors in their older days. For some reason sailing vessel never lost their attractiveness to these modern soldiers on high powered speedboats.

Wouter

Something like,
"What boats or how should the Worrell be raced?"

F20
F18
F18HT
F16
H16

Or Developmental Class
or Developmental Class and Formula
or Run what you have.
You get the idea!

It is no big secret that people will vote more than once, but wouldn't it be Fun to see how it shakes out.

The probable reason that the race has been strict one manufacture designs lately is due to the requirment by Mike Worrel for at least 10 charter boats to be made available to racers. For a builder to cover the costs and the final sale of the 10 used boats.... they insist on being the only boat. Thats why Bimare had a 2 year contract for the Worrel. Previously, Performance had one year deals for Inter 20's. Mike Worrells standard of 10 charter boats was to draw the European's over to the race... Ultimately he found that the transportation and logistics were still a huge hurdle and so he opted for the package deal.

I just want to make it clear the poll is not mine. I started this thread in hopes of opening up some debate about what the sailors would like to see happen with the Worrell 1000. I deliberately did not do it in a poll form, because a poll is too cut and dried and too vulnerable to padding by special interest groups, and I did not think it would yield useful information.

The poll was set up by Wouter, so vote in it if you wish, but this is something that he is doing for his own interests, not mine. So please continue to post your thoughts and comments and opinions about the future you would like to see for the Worrell 1000.

Thanks.

>>The poll was set up by Wouter, so vote in it if you wish, but this is something that he is doing for his own interests


Mary, I don't want to be inpolite but by what means are you capable of establishing my reasons to place the poll n the forum ?

The idea of a poll was suggested by D Wilkins under which my post containing the poll is placed. My reasons for placing it there is that I assumed that he didn't know how to make a poll on this forum.

Further more I fail to see how this poll advances my "own interest" especially since the F16 is not even named as a voting option.

I did make a selection of the most likely options, I mean several options (development and development + formula) are just different implementations of a "Free for all"

I see I din miss out on the H16 option by hey I'm only human.

Wouter

must be the flower power sailors of the 60's pushing this one. " Hey man take a hit of this and then vote FREE FOR ALL".

Relax Wouter, don't read too much into Mary's words. I think she is saying that you created the poll because you were intrested in the answers, not that you were trying to promote your interests.

Arbo,
Exactly right. Anybody can put a poll on the forum in any thread, but it is because they personally are interested in the answers. I just didn't want anybody to think that it was associated with what I am trying to do as far as accumulating information for my magazine.

I started this whole thread by saying that I am doing it in my capacity as editor/publisher of Catamaran Sailor magazine. I said that so it would be clear what my interests are in the answers and how I might be planning to use them. And when Rick or I do a poll that is sponsored by this website, Rick puts it either on our home page or "stickies" it at the top of the Open Forum. I just wanted people to understand the differences. And I did not want people to think that Wouter's poll was taking the place of giving responses to my original question. When people see a poll, they have a tendency to just vote and not give the verbal input that I am looking for.

Now that I think about it, since there isn't really an etiquette book on how to handle these things, it seems as though it would create less confusion if someone who wants to do a poll on a certain subject would start a new thread specifically for that purpose, because then the poll would stand alone, and it would be very clear who was taking the poll. Just a thought.

Okay, if that is the case, please remove the post containing my the poll. I was intending to help out and to disrupt anything.

Wouter

Looks like an interesting poll; even though it's not "scientific," the results could help race planners and potential sponsors. How about starting a different thread with just the poll.

I have already told Wouter by e-mail that I don't want to remove the poll -- and that I don't know how to remove it even if I did want to. It's not a big deal. I just didn't want it to become a roadblock in my goal of getting verbal input about the Worrell 1000. And now, of course, partly thanks to me, it has become a BIG roadblock. It's not Wouter's fault, because he was just trying to help. As I suggested, he should post the poll as a separate thread, with the word "Poll" in the subject line and use the poll icon.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch here at "Catamaran Sailor" magazine, I am still hoping for more verbal input about what people think about the Worrell 1000. And I think the area is way too gray for a poll to be very helpful by people checking one box.

Mary,

We all love to talk about boats, and, as might be expected, much of the thread so far has focused on which classes should be allowed in the Worrell 1000.

Beyond the best boat question, however, there's that question you asked at the end of your first post.

[color:"green"]" . . . would anybody else want to undertake the organization and running of this race under a different name?"[/color]

What do we have out there for successful models. In the case of the Worrell, we have one individual who owns the race. Would that be the likely alternative, to find another owner? Group of owners? Or, is there a non-profit organization for whom such an event could fit into their organizational mission?

Certainly, a lot depends on what the bottom line is for a race of this magnitude. Admittedly, I'm completely in the dark on that one? Does a race like the Worrell operate in the red each year? Does it ever break even? What incentive is there for an individual, group of individuals, or organization to take on the race?

If not Mike Worrell, then who?

This was the National Geographic special I think around 88, 89. Team North Carolina on a wooden homemade boat(pretty too) broke up in the surf after folding the beams at sea. Team Va Beach on a prindle 19 lost in some channels overnight around tybee or Charleston, not sure. Team Domino's on a NACRA 6.0 with Roy Seaman at the helm won the event. Team Australia second I beleive. I am going to go watch this thing and figure out what really did happen.
Anyway, my point was, open class, checkpoints, first to Virginia wins. No wussy Handicap. No battle over what one-design is the best- cause you know there's going to be a fight and it may turn into a fiasco like this year.
Just open it up to a certain length/beam and let the sailors(Worrell Competitors) decide. Sure would make it easier on everyone.

David Mosley
SEACATS

Mary,
I like the idea of the bar room bet.
Make something too commercial and is taken over by the commercialism and, the real challenge, the sailing becomes secondary.

I would hate to see teams having to put up $20,000. Put all that money together for a prize and there is only one winner and a bunch of losers sailing 1000 miles.

Make the race as cheap as possible for people to enter and raise funds some other way like TV rights.

Get the money out of it and have class or yardstick competition. Get the emphasis on completing the event and the number of winners start to increase and with this I expect the number of competators will increase also.

I would like to see the event run on any two man boat 16ft-20ft that has a handicap faster than a Hobie 18.

There be at least two prizes. Handicap and Line honours. Or a number of class prizes plus line honours.

Just the way I see it.

Phill

I agree with Phil; more classes make the event more interesting and would open up the competition. This allows those of us who probably will never participate to "cheer for our boats" as well and could generate more interest. It also could potentially serve to raise awareness for newer boats/classes for those of us "out of the loop". Have we heard from anyone who's actually participated? Obviously their opinion would weigh more heavily.
Al.

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[color:"green"]" . . . would anybody else want to undertake the organization and running of this race under a different name?"[/color]

Still hoping for some input on this question from Mary's original post in this thread. Anyone have any thoughts?

The reason the Worrell is not being run is because of money. How can the event be changed to attract more sponsors, money and TV coverage?

The event should take lessons from other forms of racing. NASCAR, America’s Cup and such. I think a formula format would attract manufactures to back and support teams. What better chance to prove your abilities as a boat manufacturer? In auto racing the manufactures support their teams. This would also promote the equipment and boat development for the sport.

Perhaps a way to gain more publicity would be for each team to be required to support a charity. Like a walk-a-thon, have a sail-a-thon. The race could be run where each mile sailed money is donated to the sailing team’s charity. Sailing clubs around the world could be associated with a team and sign up donations for each mile sailed. This will attract media coverage.

I would also think that in today’s age of reality TV one of these shows would find the race interesting.

As for sail what you brung, open the race up to have two races. One for the group sailing the entire Worrell and another one for the locals that just want to sail one leg of the Worrell. Race the second group handicap, charge an entry fee and leverage the existing racing infrastructure.

Is there a marketing executive out there that sails catamarans and could help Mike put this together?

I don't understand the money issue. Do you mean it costs the organizer too much? Or do you mean it costs the sailors too much?

The costs to the sailors I can understand -- rooms, travel, food, spare parts, etc. But I'm not sure I understand the costs for the organizer. I know it is possible to spend a lot of money organizing a race. But, in my opinion, it is also possible to do it for not much more than it costs each individual team.

Mary,
As the movie went, if you hold a good race, at a good venue, they will come....cat racers love to race their boats. A few will race a 'race specific' boat ala the past few Worrells. I'll bet most potential competitors would prefer to race their own boats against similar competition.
The issue of money has created nothing but trouble, certainly it hasn't created any races. It killed the current Worrell and threatens future ones.
In the past, even the rock stars showed up to race...the lure wasn't the money.
If you take the promoters and self-promotors out, the real racers will come and race.
And, as a side note, it appears from the carnage at the Alter Cup, everyone is fortunate that the Worrell wasn't held this year with the Bimare 18. The conditions in Clearwater were not near what awaits off North Carolina.