F18 Worlds - Italy

F18 Worlds are under way... Total of 151 boats competing.

The regatta is being held in Italy and the official site is in Italian, so news is a bit tough.

Day two is over. Still don't see any official results posted. This is a round robin format. The boats are divided into 4 groups.

Mitch Booth missed his first start... having an extra espresso, we hear. He finished the first race in 15th then followed that with a 3-1-1 to round out the day.

Current standing appear to be:

1 - Darren Bundock/Glenn Ashby (Tiger)
2 - Mitch Booth/Herbie Dercksen (Tiger)
3 - Gavin Colby/Cori Camenish (Tiger)

Darren started the regatta yesterday with two capsizes and followed that today with three bullets!

The winner of last year’s event, sailing Cirrus, to this point it appears has not been doing well. The Capricorn team, which was in the top three yesterday, had a bad day today and dropped back a bit. Sorry, no skipper and crew names were given.

F18 Worlds Site

>>Day one info:

By cell phone...

First day of sailing.... 20 - 25 mph winds.... lots of capsizes and crashes, even Darren Bundock had 2 capsizes.

After day one leaders are:

1st Mitch and Herbie (Tiger)
2nd Gavin and Corie (Tiger)
3rd Greg Goodall & crew (Capricorn)
4th Jean Morniac & crew (Tiger)

Matt,

Can you explain the round robin format in more detail, please ?

Also with the fleet "divided into 4 groups." how can an intermediate score list be composed ?

Afterall if we just added the individual results to form one listing than we would have multiple numbers 1's, 2's, 3's etc in the same coloms. Besides this would be meaningless as the races can be held in different conditions from one another and some pool could be more heavily contested than another. Maybe Booths 2 1st were scored in the weaker pools while his 15th and 3rd palcings were scored in the more contested pool ? I don't know, just wondering how the "Current standing" is composed.

Can you shed some light on that for us ?

How many races have they sailed so far ?

The crew sailing the Cirrus are Emmanuel Boulogne and his brother Vincent Boulogne. Pardon me, but how can you NOT know that as they are the current F18 world champions defending their title.

And the Italians are indeed running a shitty site. I wish they had studied the H16 worlds site a little better.

Wouter

Mr. Wouter
I thought YOU were the one with all the answers.

Mr H. Zealot,

I'm sorry to disappoint you ! (joke)

This must be bad for my rep !


Wouter

The round-robin format has been used for the H-16 North Americans for many years - anytime there was more than 65 boats.

The competitors are "seeded" by the organizers in consulation with the class - an admittedly subjective process, but good enough for these purposes. The competitors are then divided into 4 groups, with every fourth seed going to a specific group. That way you end up with four groups of roughly comparable competitive depth.

Races are run in sets - two groups race together in two separate starts. For example:

Set 1 - Start 1 - Groups 1 & 2; Start 2 - Groups 3 & 4
Set 2 - Start 1 - Groups 1 & 3; Start 2 - Groups 2 & 4
Set 3 - Start 1 - Groups 1 & 4; Start 2 - Groups 2 & 3

Ideally, you'd like to have an even multiple of 3 sets to ensure that everybody races against each other the same number of times, but it doesn't always work that way. As long as you run in sets, everybody has the same number of races. After about 6 sets, positions are pretty well determined and you can make a cut.

I don't know if this is the method they are using there, but it has worked well for us for many years.

Wouter,



See ISAF Appendix KE - extended sailing instructions. Splitting a large fleet into flights and having multiple firsts etc in the results is relatively common now; especially during qualifying; some events rotate the flight members (as per App KE), some do not. The good sailors still seem to end up top of the pile; slighty different course conditions notwithstanding.

Here's a link to an (artificial) example:-

flight points

The (artificial) recorded results looked like this:-

flight places

I don't think there's anything special about the usual way of accumulating points that makes it 'correct' anyway; there are other ways to score a series that are just as justifiable, like 'who-beat-who-the-most'.

CJ

No good internet connections available for them to update the F18 sites from the event.

Here is a Press Release received today:

Darren Bundock and Glenn Ashby taking the lead after the qualification races.

Six races have now been completed, permitting the race organisation to built up the final Gold and Silver fleets.

With 4 wins in the 6 sailed qualification races, Bundock/Ashby (AUS) are entering the finals with 10 points, closely followed by Booth/Dercksen (NED, 13 points) and Colby/Camenish (SUI, 16 points).

9 more races remain now scheduled in order to designate the winner of the Gold fleet, competitors being sailing at the moment the first final regatta under a bright sun and perfect wind conditions.

No doubt the battle will be very close between all the contenders, the score advantage of Darren Bundock being no sufficient to make him certain to get the World title.

Click on attachment and see the TXT file.

I've formatted the first 65 boats (bloody lot of work) as I don't have the right excel version to inport space seperated files. So if somebody has can he or she import it into excel and put it on the forum please ?

I think the top 80 boats go on into the gold fleet

Enjoy.

Wouter

How about sending those Italian a whiz kid to help them with their website. The format the use it trully awfull. Can copy past it in any comfortable fashion or import it.

Wouter

Besides if you click at the attachment now you'll the makes of boats that I know of. Please lets not have a pissing contest on which boat rules are not as ; The championship is awarded to the best crew and not the to builder of the boat. People before makes !

Rikkert Graat and Daan Koene (cirrus 8th) had a big collision in their 6th race and Emmanuel Boulogne (owner BCM Yard, 2003 F18 world champ and current 12 th) has been working all night to repair the boat. As they had right of way they were assigned a redress for the DNF.

It seems that the old champ are in for a steep uphill battle as one 16 th and one 10 position out of a row of

- 16 - 4 - 8 - 10 - 5 - 4

Keeps them a 12th spot and 24 point behind the current leader of the board Darren Bundock and Glenn Ashby.

It looks retaining the title is a task to big to be performed by a mere mortal in the fleet of this level.

JEAN CHRISTOPHE MORNIAC and FRANCK CITEAU or high up in the board at 5th place and only some 11 points behind the leader. One may ask why mention these sailors ? Well because in 2000, 2001, 2002 they came in 2nd three times in a row just behind Booth and Dercksen who became 1st in all of these events. Booth is now at 2nd with 9 points. So Jean Chris and Franck have been knocking on the door to 1st place for some time now and must be considered well in the race.

Greg Goodall with Daniel van Kerckhof are 6th with Mark Larffa and Liam Goodall on 7th ; at 20 and 21 points. Not bad for small builder just coming out with a complete new F18 design the Capricorn.

How ever, as always, the Tornado professionals are on top with

1 AUS BUNDOCK DARREN ASHBY 7 pnts
2 NED BOOTH MITCH DERCKSEN HERBERT 9 pnts

Than we have

3 SUI COLBY GAVIN CAMENISCH CORSIN 12 pnts

And a special mention goes to

4 NED KENBEEK REMCO BROUWER PAUL 16 pnts

Who by all intends and purposes are amateur sailors with a normal daytime job.

Although I hear Colby is a airline pilot. But than again the same rumour had it that he would stop international racing in 2002.

All on Tigers


Wouter

Day 3 update…

Cell phone report from the beach… The fleets are divided into Gold and Silver.

2 races in the Gold fleet in 12 - 15 mph winds.

Darren Bundock is still on fire with a 1 - 2
Gavin Colby was OK with a couple top 5's
Mitch Booth had a 1 – 15’ish with a broken trapeze line in the 15th. Herbie went for a swim and took Mitch off too.

Basically, it sounded like the results are still the same top three.

Still two days to go.

this took some doing....

Download

Thanks Jake !

In the past I did at work (after hours) using their newer excel app. Maybe I should upgrade at home ehh , instead of doing it all by hand ?

But the format used on the website made it clear to me that it would be some work either way !

Wouter

Matt -

What happened with Greg and Jacques? I thought they were attending.

Tracie

Nice work......and not one US boat in the mix of 151. We need to catch up.......

Wait a minute, that dependents on what Kenbeek did.

If Booth/Dercksen did a swim and a 15th-ish than Kenbeek and Brouwer may well have moved up a spot to 3rd if they sailed as they did in the qualitfiers. The difference between these two was only 7 points and Booth/Dercksen have already used their strike-out for an earlier 15th place while Kenbeek used his on a mere 5th place. So in principle Kenbeek and Brouwer still have a free strike-out they can use on any other position lower than 5th while Booth/Dercksen have two 15th-ism placings they need to get rid of. Or in a more simple wording. Booth/Dercksen have already used up their two expected strike-outs for this event while Kenbeek/Brouwer really still haven't. Booth/Dercksen are on notice right now; One more bad placing, even a mild one, and they're out of the run for champion.

And even MORNIAC/CITEAU can just have sneaked past Booth/Dercksen if they kept their average as it was in the earlier 6 races (about 4 pnts). And they are capable of that having scored three 3rds and one 4th already. They have used a single strike-out on a 9th position now.

I think everybodies money is on Bundock and Ashby right now. They are the only once at 10 pnts or less right now. Although even they have used their strike-out on a 17th placing already. Another bad placing will count heavily in their case.

We'll just have to wait for more grapevine news to see what really happened.

Even madforsailing is as silent as a grave on the F18 worlds. They did run a semi-feature on some lcoal laser 5000 racing somewhere on a English lake though.

And ohh also a lengthy piece on some "RS200s and 400s at Highcliffe". And no it is not a Worlds, Europeans or even a UK nationals. No it was a " Uk Nationals practice" serie.

What has cat sailing got to do to get noticed by the mags ?

Life is all about priorities ehhh ?

Wouter

Wouter

Tracie,

Greg and Jacques did the NA F18 event in Quebec then stayed to defend their title at the North American Tiger event starting the 19th of July. Too bad the event schedules were so tight this year.

Wouter,

I am told that, at the split, the scores are your position... Bundie 1 pt, Booth 2 pts, Colby 3 pts and so on.

Mitch would now have something like 18 (the 15 is a possible throw out).

Not much information coming from the event.

Light winds with fair chop, only blowing 4 - 6 mph reported by Herbie (Mitch Booth's Crew).

Still top three are:

Darren Bundock(1 / 2 today)
Mitch Booth ( not sure his scores)
Gavin Colby (1 / 12)

Bundy is on fire it seems.

Link below is to Finals Day One results.

Finals - Day One results?

I had heard that they used 1st round position as the starting points for the finals last year... these results carry over the earlier rouds points. Not sure what is up with that, but doesn't seem to change the top three.

>>I had heard that they used 1st round position as the starting points for the finals last year... these results carry over the earlier rouds points. Not sure what is up with that, but doesn't seem to change the top three.


Actually last year they carried the points of the qualifier races with them and there was some upset about that. When I read you comment that this year they would use the final qualifier position as start of the gold cup I thought that they ahd changed the system to open up the series and as a reply to some of the upset.

It appears that they are using the old system still. To bad, because now the fight is less interesting. Anybody out of the top 5 is now out of the game and even the 13 points difference between numbers 1 and 2 is alot.

Only the fight for 3rd is now interesting

Beside when do they allow a second strike-out ? At 10 races ?

Anybody knows ?

Wouter

If the Qualifiers race series count in full why is Kenbeek/Brouwer not allowed to use their single strike out to unload their DSQ or 15th position of yesterday ?. Now it is wasted on a 5th place in the qualifier series !

Same with Colby

Wouter

Day 2 results are up.

Today is the last day... we are awaiting a report from the site. We have normally heard from them by mid morning.

http://www.f18worlds2004.com/page/03_placing4.asp

F18 Worlds Finals - Day 2 Results

Darren Bundock wins 2004 F18 Worlds...

More shortly.

2004 F18 Worlds are over.

Reported by Herbie from the race site by cell phone is todays report:

Wind was between 6 - 8 kts (gusts maybe 12)

Booth tried to tie up Bundock in a match race. Mitch needed to have Bundock foul out twice to be able to catch him... didn't happen, as Mitch couldn't get near Bundock in the final race.

Top positions are unchanged.

Un-Official Final results:

1st - AUS 111 BUNDOCK DARREN, ASHBY GLENN

2nd - NED 11 BOOTH MITCH, DERCKSEN HERBERT

3rd - SUI 5 COLBY GAVIN, CAMENISCH CORSIN

4th - FRA 21 MORNIAC JEAN CHRISTOPHE, CITEAU FRANCK

No further details given... We await the complete story and results from the event website. Should be up by tomorrow.

2004 F18 Event Website

2004 F18 Final Results - Gold Fleet

They have done well today... the final results are posted already.

Wow--5th for Goodall on a new design, with one first. Not a bad "shake down" for its first major event.