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Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport

Posted By: fastcat

Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/22/04 10:19 PM

I am interested in possibly getting a hooter or spinnaker for my 2000 Hobie 17Sport. BACKGROUND: I've sailed a Hobie 16 fro 20 years and switched over to the 17Sport last year. I usually solo unless the wind is above 20 mph then I look for a light crew (I weigh 210 lbs). I do not race, but like to sail fast. Most of my sailing is on the Columbia River in the upper Gorge and Wallula Gap. I've seen several spinnaker kits out there, but no one seems to make one for the Hobie 17. QUESTIONS? Is there a reason that spinnaker/hooter kits aren't made for the H 17Sport? Is it practicle for a soloer to use a spinnaker or hooter (or is it just too much work for one person)? Presently a hooter (basically a small spinnaker like sail which is roller furled instead of stuffed/snuffed) appears to be the better choice? Thanks

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Posted By: RickWhite

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/22/04 11:55 PM

Hi,
We have the Hooter for the Hobie 17 as well as other boats. You could probably get by with a 12' aluminum pole, rather than the 15' 2-piece carbon.

To see more info on the Hooter, see http://www.catsailor.com/update_hooter.html

You can not beat this setup for single-handing either and it is as fast as a spinnaker and much, much easier to deal with.

While we sell them on our store at www.onlinemarinestore.com, you are better served to call and order personal;y at 866-451-3287

You will need certain dimensions:
1) from end of pole to where you want to sheet the sail
2) from end of pole to leading edge of main beam
3) from end of pole to where your halyard turning block will be
40 from bottom of mast at main beam to where your halyard turning block will be.

At that point we can tell you what the entire kit will cost and can ship everything you need to mount it. Mounting instructions can be found in the article I linked above.

You'll love it, <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Rick
Posted By: Fritz

YOU WANT A SPINNAKER - 11/23/04 12:16 AM

Hi,
in any way you want to have a spinnaker.
The simple reason:
Upwind speed is quite reduced with any furling foresail.
In addition the downwind speed with spinnakers is better.
Snuffers really make it simple to use spis also for solo sailors.

For ref. have a look on what has been developed in the racing scenes.


Good luck in the decision

Fritz
Posted By: MauganN20

Re: YOU WANT A SPINNAKER - 11/23/04 06:22 AM

there was a thread about this recently.

Use the search and your questions shall be answered.
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: YOU WANT A SPINNAKER - 11/23/04 04:48 PM

Fritz, I have to differ with what you claim.
Snuffers and a furled sail offer about the same windage for upwind sailing (the Hooter exposes only a rope-like windage, while the snuffer exposes a big bag and a toilet seat) ..,
and the Hooter can sail upwind in light air, while the spinnaker cannot. The Hooter offers another dimension to sailing. If the wind is light enough to hold the boat down, you simply unfurl and sheet it. You go much faster and often higher than sailing bare in front.
A spinnaker in the same situation would just go sideways.
Off the wind, the Hooter on a light-weight boat has proven to be as fast and often faster than a full spinnaker. Note the newer designs of spinnakers are getting away from the fullness and big shoulders. That is because they have learned that all that stuff was useful for monohulls that sailed deep, but not so good for high speed, high tech cats.

One more problem with the snuffers is there is a lot friction bringing the sail in and taking it out. That requires gallons of McLube, which is very expensive. And it wears the sail out in a short time.
In snuffing a sail you need to do it while beginning your turn upwind and the last portion while you are going upwind. How is a single-hander going to do that? Not very easy, I am afraid.

On the other hand, I have been able to go into the leeward mark's 2-length zone with full power, furl the Hooter just before the jibe(using a 1:2 furler line [note: not a 2:1.., this means you can furl much faster]) and make a great slam dunk mark rounding.

Can't do that by yourself with snuffer. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Cheers,
Rick
Posted By: Sycho15

RE: You want what is the most fun for your effort! - 11/23/04 08:46 PM

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...the Hooter can sail upwind in light air, while the spinnaker cannot. The Hooter offers another dimension to sailing. If the wind is light enough to hold the boat down, you simply unfurl and sheet it. You go much faster and often higher than sailing bare in front.


Check out the Formula 14 forum, as there was a race between three Hobie 14 Maxis (hooter equipped H14s) and even more Mystere 4.3s (spinnaker equipped) on Lake Hartwell (GA) at last years Spring Fever Regatta. As usual for this race, light conditions prevailed. The hooter equipped H14s were able to use their headsail the entire time, upwind and down, and really stuck it to the Mystere 4.3 guys. The H14Ms were almost pacing the 20' boats upwind, as their upwind sail areas were about the same

In greater wind, things would have been much different upwind as the Mysteres have jibs while the H14Ms currently do not.

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Off the wind, the Hooter on a light-weight boat has proven to be as fast and often faster than a full spinnaker. Note the newer designs of spinnakers are getting away from the fullness and big shoulders. That is because they have learned that all that stuff was useful for monohulls that sailed deep, but not so good for high speed, high tech cats.


What he means is: the spinnakers are beginning to resemble the hooters in shape, though they are still too full to be used upwind.

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One more problem with the snuffers is there is a lot friction bringing the sail in and taking it out. That requires gallons of McLube, which is very expensive. And it wears the sail out in a short time.


It's mostly the halyard/retrival line that rubs against the sail and tears it up. You'll get long lines of pinholes that will quickly grow. After every race or long day of sailing you'll have to lay the spinnaker out and patch all these holes with sail-repair tape until eventually the sail is finally shot. It happens much quicker than you'd think.

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In snuffing a sail you need to do it while beginning your turn upwind and the last portion while you are going upwind. How is a single-hander going to do that? Not very easy, I am afraid.

On the other hand, I have been able to go into the leeward mark's 2-length zone with full power, furl the Hooter just before the jibe(using a 1:2 furler line [note: not a 2:1.., this means you can furl much faster]) and make a great slam dunk mark rounding.

Can't do that by yourself with snuffer.

Cheers,
Rick


To a recreational sailor, I'd recomend the hooter over the spinnaker every time. It will be easier to use, more versitle, and cost less due to less wear-and-tear on the sail. Since you're not racing, you probably won't care if a spinnaker is a little faster than a hooter (which hasn't been proven one way or the other yet). Another, less obvious benefit is that furling/unfurling the hooter will be much easier on your small crews than hoisting/dousing the spinnaker.

I'm currently designing a Formula 14 catamaran, and hope to build it next year (likely during the summer). This will be my racing boat, and it will be hooter equipped!
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: RE: You want what is the most fun for your effort! - 11/23/04 09:13 PM

Syco15, Thanks for clearing up some points I might have skimmed over too quickly.

In addition to the example you have shown on the Hobie 14, I also have some good war stories.
At last year's Conch Cup, which is a mini-distance race, I sailed a Wave with a Hooter in winds just over 10mph. Since it was a distance race, they applied a heavier handicap. However, the race was almost entirely upwind. I lost the race by only a few seconds. With the proper handicap, I would have won by several minutes.

Started with a short downwind leg. About 45 boats were in the race, and I was in the top 5 at the first mark.
The next mark was to windward (about 10 miles)and it took the entire 10 miles for the Hobie 16s to get past me. (Read an 89 handicap beating a 77 handicap).

And at the Bay Week this year I had the same boat speed as the Mystere 4.3 fleet in winds of 8-10 mph.

The first time I ever tried a Hooter was in the Bay to Ocean Race in Marathon, FL.
There was practically no wind and what wind there was came from the NE, and we were sailing a Northerly course. The wind was supposed to clock more to the east.
It was then I decided to go with the smaller, flatter headsail and hug the coastline to my right.
The air never picked up until very late. So, the RC decided to drop a mark right in front of another Nacra 6.0 (one with a very full spinnaker).
He was way off shore and just after he rounded and headed back to the start (now finish) line the wind filled in from the NW. Ouch!
That meant we had to sail upwind for about a mile to get to the mark, while the first Nacra was off and running with the big sail.
As I rounded that weather mark, I was rueing my decision to carry the smaller sail. Right behind me was another Nacra with a huge spinnaker.
I figured it would only be a few minutes before I got rolled by the guy behind.
I concentrated on the telltales and boat balance waiting for the rush of water from his wake, but none occurred. We were pulling away from him.

Within about 10 minutes we overhauled the first Nacra and passed him to go on for the win.
That shocked me! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

But, it made me a believer. By the way, these guys I am talking about are World Class sailors.., not just local pond good-old-boys. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Good luck,
Rick
Posted By: scooby_simon

Re: RE: You want what is the most fun for your effort! - 11/23/04 09:54 PM

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It's mostly the halyard/retrival line that rubs against the sail and tears it up. You'll get long lines of pinholes that will quickly grow. After every race or long day of sailing you'll have to lay the spinnaker out and patch all these holes with sail-repair tape until eventually the sail is finally shot. It happens much quicker than you'd think.


After every race / weekend. I think you need a new sail maker !
Posted By: Wouter

Maybe you are just using the wrong gear ! - 11/23/04 10:24 PM



I have none of the problem you talk about. Honestly I laid me spin flat on the floor at the end of the season and saw zilch damage.

Then consider this :

I use :

A plain midpole snuffer with a alu ring. Sailbag is a slighly thinner mylar sail cloth than your mainsail.

Single line retriever with a hard outer mantle 4 mm dyneema line.

3 patches in my spi and it is folded back to a tube of only 2 mtr length. My luff is 8.3 mtr.

A normal plain spinnaker nylon spi. No silicone spi or special cloth. Just the cheapest rip stop nylon you can have

The last time I used sailkote or whatever lubricant was 4 years ago to help my mainsail go up in the track. Never used it on a spinnaker. I never used any lubricant on my spinnaker.

There was friction in the system at the beginning but than I found that a small block guiding the retrieval line was the cause not the snuffer system

I never snuff a spi while going upwind or even on a reach. I never understood that some sailors do. I found that the easiest and relative quickest way is to undercut the C-mark than bear off while pulling the retrieval line tight and when down uncleat the spi and pull it in with a3 or 4 good pulls. in the mean time the boat luffs and teh cat is in the bag before you reach a beam reach course. This should be timed with rounding the marker.

I layed my spi out on the floor and have used it several times this season and there is no marks of any kind not even near the patches.

The only reason I can think off that could cause this is the the alu snuffer ring. It seems to allow he spi to enter the snuffer more smoothly and doesn't seem to heat up under friction. Most of the time my spi is already halve bundled together when the she reaches the ring so there is not much line dragging over the cloth.

I agree a hooter is easier, but I in my case I can not concur the massive use of lubricant or raggy spi after a single race or a single season. From my F18 sailing I can tell you that my current snuffer is way better than the plastics rings. Was cheaper as well. My lucky break !

Wouter
Posted By: Tony_F18

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/23/04 11:00 PM

Hi fastcat,

I added a spinnaker and snuffer to my H17 about a year ago, it all worked perfectly especially the snuffer was really good to use solo. IMHO thirty second hoists and drops, low windage and weight make this system superior to the furling option. Both options have the lack of spreader "problem", although I didnt notice the mast over-bending, I dont think it would be smart to use in high winds...

Pictures: (Also of my new cat, a Hobie FX-One)
http://tinyurl.com/n23p

Posted By: fastcat

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/24/04 01:08 AM

FX-1 Tony, thanks for the info and pictures. Your Spinnaker system looks very slick. From most of my investigations, it appears most people place the sheeting blocks on or near the rear crossbar, as you initially did. However, the caption of one of your photos indicated you would move the blocks up to about the mid-point between your wing supports (at least I think that is where you indicated, near the jib blocks (I gather you have a super jib, since the standard jibs bocks (like mine) are on the front cross bar). Why the change? As far as your spinnaker system, did you piece it together (I see you fabricated atleast some of the parts)? or was it mostly from a kit? Alsp I'm becoming a bit concerned about mast breakage since that is a topic that has come up quite often and I do all my sailing in the relatively puffy inland Northwest.
Posted By: fastcat

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/24/04 01:18 AM

Rick, thanks for all the info. This forum has been great. Lots of good info. from sailers who apparently know and love sailing. I'll get the measurement info to you soon to see what you can put together. I'm still haven't decided on the course of action (spinnaker vs hooter), FX-1 Tony seemes to have put together a pretty slick spinnaker snuffer system. I am becoming a bit concerned about the possibility of mast breakage (a topic that has come up several times) and would like to know your insights. Thanks
Posted By: Jake

Re: Maybe you are just using the wrong gear ! - 11/24/04 02:34 AM

I've sailed several spinnaker boats and own one. Currently, I have no spinnaker damage and I've raced the boat in about 10 regattas so far - 7 of which had awesome wind. I think the I20 style endpole snuffers were very hard on the spinnakers. Snuffing the spinnaker on the wrong tack doesn't help either (although I'll admit to doing it occasionally in sticky mark rounding situations). Spinnaker wear can be avoided with a proper retrieval system.

That being said, While on what should have been a much faster boat, I've been chased by Rick and his hooter equiped Hobie Wave! That thing will go! I can also attest to the hooter equiped Hobie 14s staying with me and my Nacra 6.0 up and downwind in the super light stuff! If there was a class to race them in, the hooter would be interesting.
Posted By: Tony_F18

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/24/04 10:27 AM

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FX-1 Tony, thanks for the info and pictures. Your Spinnaker system looks very slick. From most of my investigations, it appears most people place the sheeting blocks on or near the rear crossbar, as you initially did. However, the caption of one of your photos indicated you would move the blocks up to about the mid-point between your wing supports (at least I think that is where you indicated, near the jib blocks (I gather you have a super jib, since the standard jibs bocks (like mine) are on the front cross bar). Why the change? As far as your spinnaker system, did you piece it together (I see you fabricated atleast some of the parts)? or was it mostly from a kit? Alsp I'm becoming a bit concerned about mast breakage since that is a topic that has come up quite often and I do all my sailing in the relatively puffy inland Northwest.


My jib sheet ran through a small block fixed on the front beam which than ran through a block with ratchet. The jib setup came with the boat, the dealer said its easier to use since you have the sheet closeby when sailing.
Picture: http://www.thebeachcats.com/albums2/album139/IM000794.jpg

Apart from the Snuffer and blocks all parts are non-sailing related, like the aluminum pole ($40) and the pole bracket which was just a small piece of stainlesssteel sheeting.

The mast bending shouldnt stop you from using a Spi, as long as you keep sufficient pressure on your mainsheet it shouldnt be a problem.

Any more questions? ;-)
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/24/04 04:21 PM

You said, "Rick, thanks for all the info. This forum has been great. Lots of good info. from sailers who apparently know and love sailing. I'll get the measurement info to you soon to see what you can put together. I'm still haven't decided on the course of action (spinnaker vs hooter), FX-1 Tony seemes to have put together a pretty slick spinnaker snuffer system. I am becoming a bit concerned about the possibility of mast breakage (a topic that has come up several times) and would like to know your insights. "

We also sell spinnakers, but sincerely do not think that would be the best sail for what you want to do.
Your call, that is for sure.

Most folks have been placing the halyard turning block higher and higher up the mast above the hounds. The higher you go, the more likely you will break a mast.
The way you keep from breaking the mast is with mainsheet tension -- this acts similarly as a backstay. Some very seasoned sailors have broken masts simply because the mainsheet slipped out of the cleat.., and Whammo!
On my Taipan 5.7 my son and a friend were sailing the Hogsbreath-Keys 100 and were doing well. They kept the main sheeted and played the traveler in the puffs. One puff hit and helmsman allowed the traveler sheet to slip from his hands -- the traveler flew across the track and banged to a stop at the end. That was just enough for the mast to break.

When we first started putting large headsails on cats we were very conservative.., around 30" above the hounds, but folks kept moving the point higher and higher. Soon they were very close to the top of the mast.

In one way, higher is better. It opens the slot more and allows more sail area, particularly the leading edge. The bad news is you are taking a chance on breakage.

When doing R&D on the Wave I started out on the conservative side and the boat was not significantly faster. Then I realized the mast was very stiff and like a telephone pole, so what the heck. I went mast head. Wow, what a difference.
And no signs of nearing the breakage point.

However, on thinner, bendier masts you are taking a chance.
On the H17, I would say to place the turning block about 33% above the hounds between the hounds and top of the mast.
You will get more out of the sail and still be pretty safe from breakage.
Good luck,
Rick
Posted By: Dan Berger

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/24/04 04:41 PM

OK, I have to weigh in on this topic. I have a Hobie 14 with a Hooter and it is just a blast to sail. I did a distance race last summer and stayed with or ahead of the 16s for about 7 miles until I started messing up and the wind picked up some. There was no way I could hang with the bigger boats like Tigers and F18HTs.

I have sailed a few times with spinnakers, but I have spent a lot more time with my Hooter. I took Rick's advice and set up a 1:2 furler and it really only takes 3-4 feet of line to furl the whole sail. As a note, though, you REALLY have to tug on it. I tried furling it once and the line broke, which sent me rolling head over heals off the back of the boat. I'm sure it was pretty funny if anyone saw me.

The 14 is a pretty good boat for the Hooter, but it really doesn't have enough bouyancy in the hulls. You can go upwind with the Hooter to about 8 mph, but the entire back half of the leeward hull is under water. I had to hike out just to keep the boat flat and then it was really fast. Down wind, it sails like a spinnaker so you have to get your weight all the way back. I think the Hooter would be a better sail on a boat like the Wave, SC17, or P15 (just listing single-handers). I have one for my SC20, but haven't tried it, yet.

I'm thinking the 17 would be about the same as it doesn't have a whole lot of bouyancy. The wings would make it a lot easier in medium wind, too. I would recommend finding a solid mast instead of putting all that strain on the comptip (if you have one). I'm on the Hooter side, too. I don't see snuffing or setting the spinnaker solo. The Hooter goes out effortlessly. I steer with my aft foot and sheet in on the Hooter. It is up in seconds and I'm off. The only draw back I have wit it is that when you capsize, it is pretty hard to right the boat with all the water in the Hooter. You can't really furl it with the boat on its side. I had to release the halyard on the Hooter once to get the boat back up and that was a mess getting it going again.

Last year at Spring Fever, we had 3 14s with Hooters and there were some times that we were the only boats moving on the lake! I passed a F18 down wind under full sail, too. I have to be honest and say that my performance wasn't that great since it was the first time I had sailed with the Hooter, so we didn't make a great showing in the standings. Bob Curry, of course, did extremely well (as usual). I'm planning on bringing two 14s with Hooters to Spring Fever this year and I've been able to put some more time in on them.

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Posted By: Wouter

Mast bend - 11/24/04 04:44 PM


I refer to what Rick said but would advice difference measurements.

Arguably the Taipan 4.9 has one of the bendiest mast of all catamarans if not the most (I guess A-cat mast are more flexible).

For several years now crew are running the spi hounds at 7.5 mtr on a 8.5 mtr mast with the stay hounds at 6 mtr. This means that the spi hound is at (7.5-6.0)/(8.5-6.0) = 1.5/2.5 = 60 % above the hounds. F18's and sorts use the same ratio.

I know of only one mast breakage on a Taipan while under spinnaker. That was in Singpore in 20 knots wind with gusts and, get a load of this, 205 kg on the wires, double trapezing on a shy beam reach. This was putting alot of compression on the mast causing buckling failure. However things must be seen in perspective, in the past 15 years masts were broken on the Taipans without even a spi being on it. In the last 3.5 years only one mast did with a spi onboard. This doesn't seem to suggest that adding a spi hound at 60 % increases the risk of breaking the mast much. At least not on the Taipans with their wingmasts (arguably weaker from side to side than the H17 teardrop shaped mast).

Ricks suggestion for 33 % makes the mast almost twice as strong and stiff as putting the hounds at 60 %. The dependence is just that strong. Such a safety margin seems to me to be a bit to much. If you are really afraid than moveing the hounds from 60 % to 50 % will make the mast 21 % stronger and stiffer with respect to the spi.

Now a question for Rick. I heared some sailors comment that the hooter puts msignificantly ore compression load on the mast as a spinnaker. I that true. If that is the case than you must limit the area that goes into the hooter if you choose that option. Lowering the hounds on a hooter will not reduce its effect on compression laods if the area is not changed. It is my believe, shared by a few boat builders, that mast fail almost always under compression load. The sides of the mast buckle and the mast denting then causes the major failure of breakage. This is very much linked to compression laods and less to bending loads.

Wouter
Posted By: inter17number217

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/25/04 03:21 AM

A member of our club added a spinnaker to his H17. It seems to be a mixed success in my opinion. Although, he loves it. He initially broke his spin pole (I think the first time he tried it). Since then it's been successful, so much so in fact, that he bought a brand new H17 for racing, in addition to his old one w/ the spinnaker and he didn't sail his brand new boat for what must have been 2 months. It seems to be more of a light air oriented rig due to the comptip, and this particular person's spinnaker looks extremely large for the H17. In very light air, he was able to keep up with a Tiger...

-Justin
Posted By: Canes

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/25/04 04:12 AM

Fastcat,

I live in Boise, not too far from you in fact. I have an FX-1 with spin and love it. If you want to see my setup, just let me know. I have not sailed a cat with a hooter, so I will not agree/disagree with anyone's comments. My only experience is with the stock FX-1 spin setup. As far as raising/dousing....no problem at all. It took one or two tries to get it down, but I have my chute up within 2-3 boatlengths of the windward mark and i douse in the same range. This is all singlehanded. I'm not sure I understood Rick's comment about having to head up to douse, I've found the opposite is easier. Using the main as a blanket or shield really works well when dousing.

I came to the race at Wallula Gap two years ago when they had it there and had my 18 at the time. Since then, the FX-1 has come into my posession and I wouldn't want to go back. It's a great boat for one or two. Again, if you want to see the setup, just let me know and I'll show you. I'm about to dismantle the boat for the winter, so let me know!

Thanks,

Kip
FX-1
Boise
Posted By: fastcat

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/29/04 06:47 PM

Kip, pictures would be great. Thanks
Posted By: fastcat

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/29/04 06:58 PM

All, thanks for the info. New Question? In my readings, hear and elsewhere, several people have talked about the importance of mast rotation control, especially when using a Spi or hooter. I have very little experence with mast rotators since 99% of my cat experence is on a H16 and 17sport (i.e., no mast rotating systems on these boats). How important is positive mast rotation control? and does it need be incorporated with a Spi/hooter system or is it not really necessary? Thanks
Posted By: MauganN20

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/29/04 07:12 PM

There is a mast rotation system on both those boats, however its more "passive" than other designs. It wouldn't be difficult at all to whip up a positive mast rotation system for the H17. The arm is already there.
Posted By: RickWhite

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/29/04 07:47 PM

When using a headsail like a Hooter or Spin, you are just fine with normal mast rotation. That is because your main is sailing almost close hauled or on a close reach, so your settings for upwind will be pretty close off the wind.

The reason for major mast rotation is when you have only a main or just a main and jib.

In other words, with the H17 and 17, don't sweat it.
Rick
Posted By: jfint

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/29/04 11:13 PM

I was gonna wait till i had the chance to sail with a couple times before i posted this, but i can't contain myself. I added a hooter to my prindle 19 over the weekend. All i had the chance to do was dry sail it for a little bit on the beach, but everything is looking good, and i think the boat will be very fast with this new addition. I had been experimenting with spinnakers, but i think i will be happier with this furling hooter. I'll put up pictures as soon as I get a chance to sail it, might be a couple weeks sadly.
Posted By: Canes

Re: Adding a Spinnaker? Hooter? to a Hobie 17Sport - 11/30/04 04:14 AM

Sorry,

It's in the garage now. I took it apart yesterday. Maybe I'll see you on the water in the spring. Good luck with the project.

Kip
FX-1
Boise
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