2005 F-18 Worlds start (Netherlands)

F-18 Worlds have started with 8 Australians attending and a big fleet of Capricorns from Europe and Oz.

http://www.f18worlds2005.com

FINAL ENTRY LIST

Country Helmsman / Crew
Australia Goodall Greg Boag Chris
Australia Elliott David (Slimy) Munroe Chris (Slater)
Australia Dull Don Cheeseman Neal
Australia Collett Brad McDonald Lucas
Australia McDonald Russ Barnes Nev
Australia Van Kerckhof Daniel Cook Micheal
Australia Bundock Darren Ashby Glenn
Australia Booth Taylor ?????????? ????
Belgium Demesmaeker Patrick Gagliani Olivier
Belgium Brouwer Carolijn Godefroid Sebbe
Belgium mussen michel Provo Piet
Belgium Portzenheim Vincent Fobe Bernard
Belgium Joël Lefevre Vincent Lebrun
Belgium Bosser Thierry Gramme Alain
Belgium van Cutsem Marc Kervyn Tanguy
Belgium Declercq Paul Adriansens Bruno
Belgium van Son Bert Dobbels Frank
Belgium Joski Yves Bindels Damien
France Thibaut VAUCHEL Jérémie LAGARRIGUE
France Loic FEQUET François FILIPPI
France Seguin Damien Moreau Frédéric
France Danset Jean Baptiste Tanchon Rémy
France Guillaume LABERENNE Olivier MOREL
France Ludovic BLANCHARD Lionel ZERBONIA
France Gildas Griziaux Erwan Griziaux
France Delaby Thierry Meyers Jean-Michel
France BERTRAND LEPRETRE FLORENT DAMBRUNE
France EMMANUEL BOULOGNE VINCENT BOULOGNE
France BAECKLER JAMES CHICEMANIAN RUDLPH
France BRUNEEL MAXIME BRUNEEL TIMOTHE
France Pierre MARS Guillaume SANGIARDI
France Simon DELPIERRE Clément DELPIERRE
France Benjamin ENGLISH Christophe CARBONNIERES
France Renaud de Malet Christophe Rossollin Alban
France Moana Vaireaux Romain Petit
France Florence DELORY Fabrice BERRANGER
France Erussard Victorien
France Mourniac Jean-Christophe Citeau Franck
France Pfeiffer Frédérique Dettling Françoise
France Fischer Martin Desbois Xavier
France François Morvan Matthieu Vandame
UK Garcka Rob Winrow Rod
UK Worthington Jon Quayle Tom
UK glynn mitchell miller nicholas
UK bartlett david cooke paul
UK Robinson Andy Fagerlund Johanna
UK Hutchcroft Jonnie Lunch Marcus
UK Crawford Ryan Crawford Lewis
UK Gummer Stuart Power Gillian
UK Walsh Andy Barney Ed
UK Farrow Leo Lamb Tristan
UK Mansfield Ben Hinks Ben
UK Clark Russell Mountford Penny
UK Power James Forshaw Ellen
UK Sunnucks William Self Mark
UK Chadder Martin Chadder Sam
UK Rashley Chris Vaughan Sam
UK Tayler Andrew Tayler Chris
UK Kearns Simon Burns Ben
UK Cooper Kevin Martin Justin
UK Styles Hugh Vials Graham
Ireland Sheeran Yvonne
Germany Dransfeld Arne Heinsohn Jan
Germany Schwarzlow Ralf Schwarzlow Dirk
Germany Buss Andreas Jung Andreas
Germany Breuer Maria Pipke Jens
Germany Schmeink Harald not decided yet
Germany Schwall René Hartkopf Chris
Germany Gosche Jörg Gosche Arne
Germany Reinke Thomas Karsten Baumann
Germany Sach Helge Sach Christian
Germany Lindstädt Sven Rocholl Christian
Germany Wolf Justus John Andreas
Germany Jakobitz Oliver Schmidt Frauke
Germany Donald Beike ? ?
Germany Hahn Ulf Hahn Susanne
Germany Fock Horst Gieszinger Alexander
Germany Landenberger Andrew
Holland Cieremans Jeroen Van Deventer Saskia
Holland van Nes Hans Van Nes Marleen
Holland Van der Plas Arie Duijvesetijn Gemma
Holland Boers Eelco Boers Tjidde
Holland Breur Hans Buyse Paul
Holland Cok Eric Oostenbrug Niels
Holland Damen Bart Vlietstra Sied
Holland de Bruijne Kathelijn Bogaards Diana
Holland de Jong Rens Kijf Michael
Holland Vink Peter Amels Ilja
Holland de Roder Monique Stoke Annemieke
Holland Delnooz Elke Schoorl Harry
Holland den Hollander Leen Mulder Sander
Holland Flier Jean-Louis Blokzijl Jurjen
Holland Geijssen Willem van Capelle Rico
Holland Loos Gerard van Ruitenburg Pieter
Holland graat rikkert koene daan
Holland Groen Thomas Van der Meer Arthur
Holland Hagenaar Pim Buizer Marleen
Holland Hebly Juppe Pronk Erik
Holland Heemskerk Mischa de Boer Sander
Holland Hofman Arien Zuijderwijk John
Holland ten Houte Ysbrand van Joolen Roland
Holland Huntelman Vincent van der Kamp Herwin
Holland Kenbeek Remco Brouwer Paul
Holland Larsen Sascha Larsen Gunnar
Holland Lausberg Jos Tentij Bas
Holland Leek Dick Baltus Cor
Holland Monteny Marcel Smeets Joost
Holland Nielen Stef Schuurman Sander
Holland Remeijer Remco Schroder Lucas
Holland Samama Wouter van Leeuwen Jeroen
Holland Simoons Roel Brouwer Martijn
Holland Schulting Pieter Schulting Steven
Holland Tobias Marieke van Geest Gerhard
Holland van Beynum Ralph Gideonse Wim
Holland Van Dam Coert Van Dam Marius
Holland van der Meulen Reindert-Jan Knol Carina
Holland van der Plas Hans de Mooij Karel
Holland van der Poel Wampe Engelsman Marieke
Holland Veenman Jorden Munck de Mischa
Holland Veenstra Tjiddo van de Werff Dave
Holland Vliegenthart Bert Vliegenthart Ebert
Holland Zeekant Oscar van Uchelen Noortje
Holland Kruijt Vincent Puijker Rembrandt
Holland schaaper Martijn Blom Esther
Holland te Buck Paul Beck Herald
Holland ten Houte de Lange Ysbrand van Joolen Roland
Holland Vliet, van der Robert Herman Kappetijn
Holland Harskamp, van Igor Feodor Kuyper Richard
Italy Sicouri Pierre Sicouri Raphael
Italy Fantasia Giovanni Stella Maurizio
Italy Laruffa Mark ?? ??
Italy Vettori ?? Lunz ??
Spain Benitez Bernardo Loureiro Carlos
Spain Garcia-Cernuda Francisco Ontoso Emilio
Sweden Gnosspellus Johan Nordblom Niklas
Sweden Gattberg Henrik Ogren Joakim
Sweden Adilstam Fredrik Johansson Pontus
Sweden Westergren Per Lövdén Magnus
Sweden Kempff Joakim Nordström Magnus
Sweden Astrom Petter Albinsson Robert
Sweden Rotsman Jim Wikman Henrik
USA Kennedy Marc Keenan Matt
USA Shafer Alex ?? ??
USA Pilon Olivier ?? ??
Wildcards
NewCal LE GAL Jerome SIRET Michael
Austria ZAJAC Thomas CZAJKA Thomas
Denmark Ehrhardt Bo Ehrhardt Mads
Switzerland Antoine AUDEMA Frédéric VANDENBERGHE
Ireland Sheeran Jim Sheeran Chris
Hungary Varady Sz. Janos Petheo Tamas
Hungary Litkey Csaba Szentivanyi Arpad
Holland Booth Mitch Dercksen Herbert

Alex Shafer and John Tomko are sailing for Team Harken - representing the USA. Send 'em good thoughts!

See attached

Nice cartwheel

Greg Goodall from AHPC manufactures of the Capricorn in fore ground.

yikes - right at A mark too.

Perhaps a bit anal, but I think it's B mark (offset mark). There is another mark in the background, and they are about to set the spi, which is a bit early at the A in that wind

They did indeed choose a good place to do that

Those Capricorns have a quite flat underwater section, "me thinks". When will you take delivery of your new boat Steve? We hope for a comparison with the T..

It was indeed the offset-mark.
He completely overrun (is that the word?) that mark.
The video footage is even better (a lot of shouting....)

Video!! Do you have a link for that?

"ran over" is perhaps more correct, but I am not really qualified to correct your english! I am much more interested in the video you mentioned

Yesterday I was at the press-office where they pre-editted the video-footage. There will be a dvd coming in November
I've asked the Press-officer if there's a possibility to put only that part of the video-footage online.

September mate.... Already done a few races on the Capricorn and am very impressed. Lively boat with great upwind hight and good speed. Feels a little weired to sail as it feels like it is planeing upwind and downwind (but Great weired). Also sailed the Tiger and whilst still a good boat, my pic is definatly the Capricorn. Very apealing to the eye with quiet an agressive shape.

Whilst many say it is quicker than other F-18s (including Gashby) I must say from my experience, it feels on the money.

Attached pic of Goodall's Capricorn in action in the Worlds.

Steve,

Also wondering if you are able to compare the Capricorn to the Nacra F18...sorry for the hijack.

Where are all the USA boats I thought there would be more entered, there seem to be plenty active on this forum. The Aussies out number Yanks easily, but I would imagine we have less F18's in OZ.

Regards Gary.

Pity the entry or results lists don't tell us what type of F18 they are sailing, I know some of them but the European sailors are a mystery.

Regards Gary.

Yet to sail on a Nacra F-18 but in Oz the Tigers seem to have the edge on them whilst the Capricorn looks to be the quickest.

Yeah would be nice to see results by manufacture. From what I have heard their could be as many as 35 Capricorns at the Worlds... Most of them are Euro sailors. Pretty impresive considering they are in there first year of production. Currently more Capricorns in Europe than there is in Oz.

The International F-18 Rules prohibit listing results that include the boat manufacturer. You can download the Rules in PDF format from the NAF18 website (http://www.naf18.com/)under "downloads".

Les,

Why is that? Wouldn't a little competition between manufacturers be interesting to follow? Certainly car racing shows results based on manufacturer.

I was thinking the same thing. The only answer I could come up with, was that they wanted to avoid 'the boat of the month' syndrome, according to what boat won the latest championship?

The rule is:
F.5. RANKING On events sailed under F18 rules, there shall not be specific rankings according to the different competing brands or types.

I have no idea why this was written into the rules, so your guesses are as good as mine. I think the rules were written to try to attract as many manufacturers as possible but still end up with a class where "the nut on the end of the tiller" is still the most important component. It seems to be working from what I have observed in the last few years. It seems to me that the best sailors, regardless of boat, are rising to the top in all competitions.

Sure, but, its a formula class. Thats the price you pay for having different manufacturers, right? I dont want to rub anyone the wrong way here, but it makes you fell like the rules are trying to downplay that some boats are faster than others (that may not have been the intention of the rule?). I just think it would be cool to see those results.

Hey Les,

As a rules guru, do you think it would be acceptable to list the boat type under the registration list, but not under the results. So if someone wanted to check themselves at least the info is available?

Brian,

One of the rules talks about the "intent" of the rules. Listing boat manufacturer in the registration list might not violate the rule technically, but would violate the intent, in my opinion. I would advise against it. Just let the manufacturers brag about their results, no matter what it costs them to pay their pro skippers/crews.

I must be reading this entirely differently, because I don't see how it precludes listing the brand name in either the registrations or in the results. It just sounds like they don't want you posting the results for the different brands separately, for any given event or for a series of events. And that makes perfect sense.

Mary, That's the way it reads to me too. It looks to me like it simply says that you can't split out the results by Manufacturer. This limits spliting the F18 classes out by manufacturer in my opinion. It doesn't say anything about not listing boat type on results.

Maybe I flunked English Comp but that's the way I read it.

Mike Hill
www.stlouiscats.com

I agree with Mary and Mike.

The top 5 boats are all Hobie Tiger. The F 18 class can try and keep the manufacturer names out but it will come out in the. Why they just don't show it up front like at other worlds they ran is a mystery.

If they don't put the manufacturer names with the boats in the results, the individual manufacturers will put out their own press releases anyway (if they have anything to brag about), so the brand names might as well be in the official results for all to see. Better for the event to get an objective report than for the public to see only releases slanted to favor certain manufacturers.

I agree with this - we're going to find out anyway. In addition, I read that rule to imply that maintaining a "manufacturer scoring" system is not allowed. In NASCAR automotive racing, they have a "manufacturer's challenge" where a manufacturer (Chevy, Dodge, or Ford) wins based on their finishes over the season and I can see how the wording of the rule prohibits such a system. However, I don't see how the wording of the rule can be interpreted to disallow listing the type of boat next to the registrant's name.

I do, however, see how the class is trying to stay as far as possible away from ANY appearance to support one brand over another. The class makes a serious effort to maintain a blindfold when it comes to brands.

And the problem is that the rule only applies to the class association; it does not apply to manufacturers themselves. They can put out whatever information they want -- and they DO. If a manufacturer wants to put out brand scoring, they can. Right? As long as it is not sanctioned by the class association.

Kids, it aint the boat that is putting these teams at the top. They are not pros because they suck!

As far as I'm concerned this is a contest about the teams not the boat.

As for being mislead by a manufacturers press release... it's an ad, and we all know how much truth there is an advertising.

We all know that any F18 isn't anything to get too excited about but 140+ boats racing straight up, and it's not a H16, that's the [censored] baby! Yeah, that's way cool!

The boats being equal, sail shape can make that extra 10th of a knot needed to get clear air after the start.

I would like to know what motor (sailmaker), they are using with the chassis (manufacturer), like in 'Formula 1'.
ie. McLaren/Mercedes, Williams/BMW, Jordan/Toyota, Red Bull/Cosworth, and BAR/Honda.

F18 worlds makes wetass history!

http://www.wetasschronicles.com/2005/07/flying-formula-18s.html

We could make our own list.



Kenbeek/Brouwer are racing a Capricorn (a Tiger in 2004).

Rolf,

Well, some footage and the flip-over !
(Sorry for the ads)

http://www.ftv.nl/asx/dsp_asxplaylist.cfm?id=186316&pid=telegraaf&quality=3

Re: F18 performance.

The fact is one design of hull has to be faster than another. All you have to do is look at Hobie versus Nacra versus Capricorn the shapes are so different.

From my experience racing against and talking to the top sailors in OZ on all 3 designs, the only time the Nacra is competitive is in light winds and the Capricorn is probably quickest on average. The only Tigers that beat the Capricorns in OZ are the best in the world and beat the same sailors when they sail other classes as well.

As a racer in OZ, I realy enjoy reults and regatta reports that list, brand of hull and sailmakers against the crew names. It's just more knowledge about what is going on out there, we are a long way from the rest of the World and I don't like to believe everything I am told by adverts.

Regards Gary.

Well on my part of the pond, my experience and observations are the nacra and tiger don't have any noticable performance differences. See how that works!?

Again, it's the teams on the boats not the boat!

Until there is some real two boat testing that includes rotating the teams to the various boats all this talk about one boat being better than another is just noise.

It looks like they caught the anchor line for the buoy. I can't see any other reason for that quick pitchpole on the boat. Anyone else?

Kip
Boise, ID
FX-1

Agreed. It didn't matter when Nigel and/or Alex were sailing on the Tiger or the Nacra (or even the small sail plan in Nigel's case) they have continued to kick our butts.

100% certian that is what they did - opps !

The article on the F18 Worlds site said exactly that.

The Tornado class, use to dial in a sailcut to the predominate wind and wave conditions, has this started in the F18's ?

Are there any differences in sailshape between the sailmakers? Such as some sailmakers prefer flater sails than others? Sailcloth? Vertical distribution of draft/location? Maybe the sailmakers have come to a point where they are all generally the same shape?

If that kind of work is going on it's probably being done at the pro level in Europe. The US is still playing catchup when it comes to the F18 class (In my opinion).

The the biggest change I've seen in sail shape is the new fat head main as opposed to the traditional square top. I haven't seen any paneled or molded sails in the F18 class yet.

I'm not all that plugged into what the sail makers or the pro teams are thinking so take the above opinion with a grain of salt.

F18 sails are pretty restricted in materials (simliar to Tornado) and you are only allowed one set of sails per event.

Funny how the Dutch commentator complains about the absence of some Belgian participants (they preferred a local belgian race)...he seems to take it rather personal...But then again: Belgium-Holland IS personal!

Btw...does anyone know which overlapping race was taking place in Belgium?

Jep,

Anton was talking about the European Championships Dart 18, that is being held in Belgium this week.
Don't think it's affected the F18 Worlds.
True, only 141 entries out of a possible 160.

>>True, only 141 entries out of a possible 160

They could have filled all the slots if they wanted too as quite a few Dutch F18's were turned away as they did qualify. I guess some nations underused the quota that were given per nation.

Wouter

Why do Belgians have spaces in between there front teeth?

Wait a minute....weren't you the one complaining about our poor online spelling?

OK - why? (I've got a feeling I'm going to regret this)

DOH! Don't you just hate it when that happens.

Spare chocolate storage?

No, think about the form of "patatten"

Spelling yes ,Grammer you can let it fly........The Answer: Thats where they keep the extra fries. Pataten Dat klopt.
And I don't think they drink Hieneken in Rotterdam. Its a Dommelsch kinda town.Like Iron City Beer is to Pittsburgh. How are the Mystere Twisters doing any corrosive decay ,Galvanic corrosion ?

http://www.f18worlds2005.com/results.php

1st Darren Bundock, Glenn Ashby
2nd Mitch Booth, Herbert Dercksen
3rd Helge and christian Sach

51st Alex Shafer, John Tomko

Two Hobies and a Capricorn then, but more interesting, what does the tatto on the microphone guys hand say?

Who were their sails made by?

Darren Bundock and Glenn Ashby have successfully defended their Formula 18 World Championship.

Hobie Tiger takes first and second places at World Championship.


The 2005 Formula 18 World Championships were hosted by Hoek van Holland yacht club north of Rotterdam, Holland

160 Formula 18's competed from the period of 9-15 July for the prestigious World Tittle. The battle of the 10 different manufactors was clearly dominated by the Hobie Tiger taking the four of the first five overall placings.

Darren Bundock and Glenn Ashby got off to a fantastic start to the qualifying series winning five of the six qualifying heats and only discarding a 5th position to lead after the first two days.

Bundock and Ashby were able to finish within the top 10 for the remainder of the series except for one race in shifty ligth conditions which saw the pair finish 35th. However, due to there other consistant results they were able to discard this 35th position in the final series.

Bundock and Ashby went on to win the series with a score card of
5,1,1,1,1,1,6,2,35,1,5,11 to beat Mitch Booth and Herbert Derkson by 10 points.
The vetran Sach Brothers finished in 3rd position ahead of Jean Christoph Mourniac and Frank Cituea.

Bundock said "it is extremely pleasing to defend our tittle however the level of competition is increasing year by year.".

Bundock now heads to Greece to compete in a blind and disable charity Marathon on Tornado’s before The tornado Europeans in August.


World Championship list-
Bundock:
1998, 2001, 2002, 2003 Olympic Tornado World Champion
2002 ISAF Multihull World Champion
2005, 2004 Formula 18 World Champion

Ashby:
1996, 2002, 2004 A-Class World Champion
2005, 2004 Formula 18 World Champion

Further information call Darren Bundock on +49 177 603 8084.

www.darrenbundock.com

Sponsored by:
Marinepool, FSE Robline, Volvo Car, Ronstan, Hobie Cat.

Supported by:
Yachting Australia, Australian Institute of Sport, NSWIS, Australian Olympic Committee & Verein Segler Haus Wannsee.

Huh? You win and they publish your phone number? What's up with that?

Always the same, unbelievable how quickly rumours are created :

"The battle of the 10 different manufactors was clearly dominated by the Hobie Tiger taking the four of the first five overall placings."


NO THEY DIDN'T !

In the Top 5 there are 2 Carpricorns and in the top 3 there is one Capricorn; so it will be quite impossible to get 4 tigers in there! Both Sach/Sach and Kenbeek/Brouwer sailed capricorn F18's. And it was the 2 professional and fully sponsored Tornado crews that dominated the World championships, NOT the boat. Or do we really believe that they would have ended up way down the list when sailing a different make of boat ? And does anybody really believe that they were sailing stock Tigers ? Because I dare wager that both crews did alot of modifying and tricked their boats out with custom stuff that you can't even order from Hobie cat making their boats almost as different from other tigers as from the other makes.

Wouter

So what's your point and what has a Tornado to do with this ?

Don't take life too seriously, the quoted abstract from the post is clearly from somebody who is probably Bundock adept (and thus Hobie Tiger). Must be a happy man. Bundock indeed is an extraorinary sailor.

Those are not facts. It's just an interpretation

Rolf,

the guy handing over this "trophy" is Gerhard van Geest, chairman of the organizing comittee and also finishing 45-th in this year's worlds.
For as I can read this tattoo it says : DISCES.

Any sailor with knowledge on the latin language ?

Google, the best invention since the drain plug :

Disces : to learn

Hi all,

I think I have worked out what brand of F18 top ten where sailing bar one, can anybody help, GBR 921 had no branding on sails or hulls in the pics I found. If any are wrong please post corrections.

1 AUS 69 Bundock, Darren, Ashby, Glenn,
Hobie.
2 NED 111 Booth, Mitch, Dercksen, Herbert,
Hobie.
3 GER 123 Sach, Helge, Sach, Christian,
Capricorn.
4 FRA 1907 Mourniac, Jean-Christophe, Citeau, Franck,
Hobie.
5 NED 1 Kenbeek, Remco, Brouwer, Paul,
Capricorn.
6 GBR 921 Walsh, Andy, Barney, Ed,

7 NED 76 Meulen, van der,Reindert-Jan,Knol,Carina,
Capricorn.
8 NED 7 Heemskerk, Mischa, Boer, de, Sander,
Hobie.
9 FRA 808 Boulogne, Emmanuel, Boulogne, Vincent,
Cirrus.
10 AUS 33 Van Kerckhof, Daniel, Cook, Michael,
Capricorn.

So I think it can be said, that no brand dominated. At this stage I count 4 x Hobie, 4 x Capricorn,1 x Cirrus, 1 x unknown.

However I think it can be said that the home nation dominated with 4 in the top ten, well done.

Finaly of course I must congratulate the AUSTRALIAN winners, Well done Darren and Glen and the other Aussies. OZ rules the waves.

Regards Gary.

Can't quite see enough to tell for sure here. Although I think I might see a Hobie logo on the inside starboard hull on GBR 921:



OH WAIT...that's 129

While that picture is not the boat, I did find this 'for sale' advertisement in the UK from http://www.f18.org.uk/advertisements.asp ...it appears to be a Tiger:

Thanks Jake,

looks like it might break the tie in the top ten?

How long have you been dislexic? You picked up the numbers but it was the letters as well.

Regards Gary

Let's not say dislexic (of which I have yet to be diagnosed) but...rather...capable of deep observation with a sprinkle of impatience. In other words, I read the backside of the sail, was able to process the numbers, but didn't take the time to mentally sort it out! Or something....

How else will the racer chacers get in touch with you?