Tri Vid.

ORMA

That dude riding the sprit at the end is nuts.

after sailing the R33 this past week with Mike Krantz, JC, and Jake, and wrestling the jib down and putting a double reef in the main with a squall coming, I have gained a huge respect for the guys on these "super cats". Thats got to be som e crazy stuff.
BTW, The R33 is a SWEEEEEEEET ride, powerful and fast. We broke it down and drove away with it behind a Yukon in 1.5 hrs. Stepping a 48 ft mast is not an easy task, but they have a cool system for it using the boom and mainsheet as a gin pole. After the mast was down, we then had to step the boom down!.

The last 10 seconds are hot! The guy on the sprit...cool stuff. In the last 5 seconds of the video think about the thread about maximum winds for running a race. Do you think that is over 20? Maxi macho...

How does this cat compare to the Raider??

thom

French stuff. Good, very good. Another league.

Got the chance to take a close look at Randy Reynold's newest R33...he brought it to Santa Barbara two weeks ago for the SB-King Harbor 80 miler race. He was tied up nearby my ride (Afterburner). Fit & finish looked quite good. A couple of things I didn't like were:
1. the high-mount middle cross beam, making for a bit of an obstacle moving to/from the foredeck. Closer inspection revealed why it was there...the dolphin striker can now site way up high, about where the tamp is...so wave drag is greatly reduced.
2. The boat has the hobie-style hull-deck joint with the over-hanging lip all around. Never liked these asthetically and they do add weight/drag. Corsair also makes the Farrier tris with this same construction method (original Farrier boats used a hull seem in the vertical plane).

The R33 is fast, esp. in turbo config with the light air we get often in Southern Cal.

Mike.

When I saw this vid listed over on Sailing Anarchy, the subject was something like "Sailing Porn". :

Glad you likes it!

Mike.

Mike,

Now we're twisting this thread topic but it's a good one. The Reynolds 33. I got to ride one on a 10 mile delivery to the pull out point last week. We were out in a 12 to 15 blow and a squall came through where we saw in excess of 20k. What a friggin' machine. Personally, I like the high center beam because it gives you something to brace against while trying to do something like....say...put in a reef when it's getting nuclear! :-) You do have to be mildly athletic to get over it to the bow but it's no big deal for anyone that can handle sailing a beach cat.

With regards to the lip - I agree with you in that it's first appearance is "old school". Though, I'll admit that I never noticed it until we were breaking the Reynolds down for trailering. The way they use the lip to mount hardware for the beams and the shrouds is ingenious and quick. I'm not exaggerating here - four of us (two of which had ever done this before) had the boat rolling down the road in 1.5 hours from sailing on the water. Four headsails and all.

Jake, were you on the turbo rig model of the R33? Taller mast and I think wider beam?

Glad to hear the high-mount beam has its uses. On the lip issue, I took a close look at the main stay anchor...out of concern they may have also done the old TheMightyHobie18 thing with a flange under the lip serving as anchorage for the stay. I was relieved to see the boat had a proper chainplate bedded into the hull surface with the shroud just passing through the lip.

The price of the boat seems high for what it is, don't you think? It's close to the smaller Farrier/Corsair Tris...which are better all-rounders, good to race and good to cruise with.

Mike.

It's a R33 "one-design", 14' beam, and 48' mast. This boat has proved to be faster than the "turbo" rig in every condition except heavy air reaching. Upwind and downwind it flies a hull quicker than the 16' and 18' beam boats, this translates into better VMG around the bouys.

There is an R33 in my neck of the woods in Texas that also has the same deck lip. It looks like a giant Hobie 18 apart from the vertical bows. Not aesthetically pleasing but my friends who have ridden on it confirm it's an absolute rocket ship in light air.

I had a deposit in with Reynolds back to when they were building a 28' folding tri (Inter-20 hulls for amas, ~$35k sail away price). Kept the deposit in when they switched to the cat, and watched the whole development of both boats enthusiastically.

One big benefit of the high beam is that it allows a single tramp from front to back, making break-down and set-up much easier. A lower beam of that style at that point would also intrude in the cabins.

For me, the hull/deck lip thing is only an issue if that part of the hull is in the water a lot - then it is drag - really felt it on my Hobie-18.

We ultimately pulled our deposit when we saw the boat in person and found the accomodations down below to be totally unacceptable to my other half, especially given what the price had grown to. I understand the trade-offs and what market it's aimed at, but when looking for a racer/overnighter/cruiser we ultimately wanted something with a little more comfort. Their answer would be to look at the 44, but that's even further out of price range. Still think it's a way-cool boat, and I haven't had a ride on one yet. If I had the money for my ultimate day-sailor/racer, this would be in the running.

We ended up getting a used F-27 for much cheaper. Certainly not as fast, but far better accomodations, and much less time to take from trailer to launch and back.

Been following the development of the boat with great interest scince its inception.

It is a rocketship in all conditions, but especially in the lower end of the wind range.

It sems expensive, relative to a Corsair 31 for what you get, BUT speed and technology have their price.

R33-trailer, spin, motor, screecher=~157K More in line with the Corsair 31's than the smaller 24 & 28.

C31 1D-~156K + 20K for all sails (NOT AS FAST a little more comfortable-less set up time

C31Aft ****~139K + ~7-8K for screacher + Spin

C31 Center ****~141K+~7-8K for screacher + Spin

Cosairs come w/trailer & motor

None of the above include shipping &/or commissioning

Cosair is a more cruzy boat & I think the 1D is a waste of time & $. If you wan't a new boat use the Reynolds approach and design & Build a much faster boat from scratch.

Th R33 will be an awesome boat for the speed heads & we'll see if it can generate enough interes to start a class. Until then the are going to Kick [email]A@#[/email] in Mutihull Open class!

Mike, What's it rate??

Any bias sensed is cuz I am a C31 Owner.

Tom,

Currently we're sailing with PHRF rating of -86. It seems to be pretty fair. We've won races both on elapsed and corrected time...

-Mike

****!

To say that what he did took balls, could probably be quite accurate given the way he was slammed around there.

you said:

Ya, I'd say that's about the end of his!


Crazy crazy; even the chase boat looked cool.

GARY

Um... how do I get their job?

Ok. back to the video for a minute, I tried to get more info about the boats but it is all French.
We were wondering how they manage to fly, is it a foil on the keel or are they leaning way over on the outer hull,
either way these are going airborne, looks pretty fun...

The ORMA60 tris can fly on one ama with the main hull and the windward ama airborne. They have recently added some lifiting foils to the rudder (to control pitch) but the daggerboards in the amas have been "bannana" shaped for a quite a while now. The bannana board generates a good deal of lift - otherwise, the tiny ama would not be able to support the full weight of the boat. They do not get all three hulls completely airborn (unless it's a REALLY big wave).

If there is a French website you were looking at for info my fiancee is fluent. Post it and I will get her to translate.

I believe the ORMA 60 main hull has a daggerboard that also has a "T" foil to help lift the boat out.

BTW, there are smaller designs using similar, but much more affordable, systems. Antrim's Trimaran's and the Catri Tri (both built in the US by Aegean Marine use bruce foils on the ama's. The Catri also has winglets on the ama transoms and a "T" foil rudder on the main hull. These act as the feathers/flights on a dart or arrow to stabilze the forward bruce foil without the need to get into attitude-responsive adjustable foils.

Mike.