Questions cocerning the H14Maxi

Would someone be so kind as to help me figure out the correct angle of mast rake for a H14Maxi? Either the actual degree of rake, or a measurement off the main halyard, as per directions below:

Set the trampoline frame to level (both fore-aft and side-side).
Set a board across the trampoline frame from one side to the other.
Let the main halyard hang perfectly verticle (weight the end), and move the board along the trampoline frame until it contacts the halyard.
Measure the distance from the center of the mast mast-beam to where the halyard contacts the board.

I want to make my own shrouds that will connect straight to the hulls like the H16. I need to know which angle to set the mast, then I can figure out the rest.

Also- how long is the spinnaker pole? I will most likely mount it with a carriage bolt like Dan did.

I will send you the mast rake this weekend. The pole is 10' x 2" alum.

It was great meeting you this weekend!!

Bob

Yes--nice meeting you, sorry I couldn't get you on a 14, but at least you got to go and see the boats.

My pole is 10 1/2 feet long. I had trouble making it 10 feet like Bob's because my clew was dragging on the front beam. Even with the extra few inches, I still had it too low unless I put a LOT of tension on the Hooter halyard.

I won't have mine set up until the weekend after next, so I probably won't be any help. Besides, I would go with Bob's proven rig over mine!

Here is the quote I got from David at Sabre Sails:



I know I'll need the battens, but the mainsail prices are all over the place. If the 4.0oz Dacron would be competitive, I'd go that route and spend the $338 difference on the headsail.

I'm a bit curious why the tri-radial Pentex headsail costs less than the cross-cut Dacron 2.2oz version... while the Pentex mainsail is almost double the cost of the Dacron 4.0oz version.

Here's your numbers......

Mast Rake is 8" behind the rear beam using a plumb.

Pole is 10' x 2" alum tubing.

Reacher tang is 10" below the top of the extrusion.

Have fun!

Bob

Main
Dacron White 5.4 oz:$675.15 (Allows for a wider groove)
Reacher
Dacron (red,whiteor blue)2.2 oz:$738.95 (lighter for flying in light air up to 6.5kts in light air)

I'm using the 180x colored mylar for the main and an experimental mylar test cloth for the reacher.

Bob

Thanks a lot, Bob! I have another question, this time regarding the reacher furler. What furling system do you use, and where can I get one? The drum that was on the H14T I'm using seems pretty well shot, ditto for the TheMightyHobie18 parts boat's drum.

I used two different types. One can be found at Murrays:
http://www.murrays.com/archive/50.pdf (see "B") but you have to also order the fairlead. It is actually jut a strip of metal that attaches to the pin on the bottom of the drum and it has a hole near the top to guide the furling line into the drum. Murray's probably doesn't stock them, but I can get you a picture.

The other one you would have to special order from Murrays or any other Harken dealer: http://harkenstore.com/uniface.urd/scpdinw1.ShowProd?B4RPMEB9Y9AV34

I wouldn't use the TheMightyHobie18 furler because it is a below-bridle furler and would be difficult to mount correctly.

Brian, check this furler and swivel, used on most 14ft cats here in Oz.

http://www.binksonline.com.au/store/prod1395.htm

http://www.whitworths.com.au/main_i...p;search123=swivel&intAbsolutePage=1

I'm using a small Barton furler purchased fron Stu at Ellie's Sailing Shop in Clearwater, Fl.

Bob

Attached is a pic of the standard Harken furler with the fairlead. You really have to either have some kind of fairlead or a closed bail like Berny suggested. If not, the angle isn't right and the line gets wrapped up all wrong..

We have all the Harken gear you would ever need right here on this site with same or next day shipping.
See our store at http://store.catsailor.com/tek9.asp?pg=products

Hell! I helped developed the furling system with Harken that had a fairlead. Belive it is H1851 and we have it in stock.
To direct you Here is the URL;
http://store.catsailor.com/tek9.asp?pg=products&specific=jmproqmrq0
Good luck,
Rick

Sorry Rick!

I wasn't trying to take business away from you--especially on your site, I just didn't know you had the parts. I really was just looking for pictures to show the part I was talking about..

I like the under-the-bridle furlers.

The Hobie 18 furler, while physically kind of large, has a rebuild kit that will make an old one like new (Hobie #61900900, $33.25). It has an interesting "pass through" chainplate adjuster to tension the rig at the forestay. I've seen several setups with a swivel attached to that plate BELOW that furler so you can use it for a mid-pole support for a spin pole.

Harken now has a smaller "under" model, too (H454).
Harken furler, 454

Rick, the furler you referred to does not have just a fairlead as mentioned, it has the fairlead AND a camcleat ON the furler. (See attached photo) Just how high would you have to raise/lower your arm to cleat and uncleat this line if you are sitting 10-12 feet away from the spinpole end where the cleat is? I'm used to the cleat on the mainbeam.

I saw that and thought that if I were to buy it, I would take the cam cleat off the furler and install it on the front beam to use as the cleat for the furling line. Then, I would put a padeye (in place of the cam cleat) on the bracket sticking out of the furler to act as a fairlead. Just reusing parts..

I have been running two back-to-back seminars and only see my computer for an hour a day, so linked you to the wrong furler.
Nonetheless, we have them all on the site, and if not actually listed, we still have them -- adding items daily since last April and over 4000 items and double that to come.
Thanks,
Rick

The Ronstan RF76 furler and RF78/79 swivel is a nice light compact setup used here almost exclusively on 14ft cat headsails and they are quite reasonably priced too.
I just bought a spare one off my mate for $Aus20 so I'm a happy little chappy.

http://www.ronstan.com/marine/ 'rigging'- 'spar hardware' 'miscellaneous'
Bern

I found this one on the Cat Sailor store for $240


Thanks for the heads-up on the furler rebuild kits. I can rebuild the two I've got and use them on something else (like my next F14)

The simplest furler fairlead is shown in a picture on page 52 of the OLD (2001-2002) Murrays catalogue. It is just a simple $9 tang that mounts to the lower fork of any Harken furler. In the newer (2003-3004) catalogue the photo is gone(?) and there's just a listing on page 50 (part #25-1066). Neither Harken nor Rick lists this number so I don't know who makes it but for $9 you can't go wrong.

Binladen spotted in USA!!! See attached.