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To run or to tack.. that is the question

Posted By: Simon C

To run or to tack.. that is the question - 03/29/10 08:57 AM

****-ups by the nut on the end of the tiller and at least enough wind to occasionally get a hull up when reaching:-

When working to windward I slowly but steadily pull away.

When reaching, shy to beam, I am significantly quicker than them

Broad reach is faster than them but not as noticeable as shy or beam.

RunningÖ. Canít get away or catch. .

To get something happening on the run I have tried on occasions tacking down wind which seems to have been successful more often than not, despite the extra distance covered.

When sailing with Mozzies, we all run. Is it faster, or is it just the way we do it becauseÖ. Is there evidence either wayÖ. or could it just be that the set up of my boat makes me a slug downwind? Or..Maybe PTís are proportionately faster on a run and I would have gained more if I'd not tacked downwind.

Thought it might be a good discussion point

Cheers,

Posted By: mitchellsailor

Re: To run or to tack.. that is the question - 03/29/10 10:56 AM

Even though I feel silly writing like I know something here is my (youthful) 5 cents for the "discussion." Like everything in sailing itís a matter of compromise, sailing to the conditions and judgement. Also Iím writing from cat rig perspective when of course the addition of a jib means tacking and us cats getting left behind :'( (Neil & Mick).

Chop at an unfriendly angle and lack of wind would merit "tacking" just to keep moving as opposed to hobby horsing and swearing.

More wind in a particular area of a course can make it seem like tacking is the fast thing to do when really someone just saw some pressure you didnít.

The only way tacking downwind becomes feasible is with some "wildthinging" (sitting in, flying a hull and generating apparent wind to try and achieve good downwind VMG)
Very fun in pre race manoeuvres and a common thing in Taipan's and A's. Could possibly be quicker in a very select few conditions with a Mozzi but the harsh reality is even with my mere 65kg frame our rig is too "small"
ALSO for racing it is too high risk with relation to the skill required to do it in an effective way, and getting caught on the wrong side of lifts, lulls.

cheers

Posted By: Darryn

Re: To run or to tack.. that is the question - 03/29/10 06:54 PM

I gybe downwind, seems to be work for me. In light wind running square works,
Darryn
Posted By: Simon C

Re: To run or to tack.. that is the question - 03/29/10 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by mitchellsailor
Even though I feel silly writing like I know something here is my (youthful) 5 cents for the "discussion."


Never feel silly, opinions are what forums are all about and you make some good points. (Mind you, seems there's a fair bit of silliness happening on some other forums in here lately shocked )

Think I'll try practising the wildthing and see how I go. Haven't had a swim for a while so I'm probably due : grin

Thanks for your comments also Darryn.. What about the rest of you... 40 odd views and only 2 opinions??

Cheers
Posted By: Nic M

Re: To run or to tack.. that is the question - 03/30/10 04:24 AM

I have read the advice and am going to try it too......any other advice obviously welcome.....
Posted By: Matt_Stone

Re: To run or to tack.. that is the question - 03/30/10 06:20 AM

it all depends on the weather, tide, waves,and wind.
i do both.

Matt
Posted By: Peter_Foulsum

Re: To run or to tack.. that is the question - 03/30/10 11:33 AM

Simon,

Congratulations on your handicap win last Saturday and well done beating all the Paper Tigers over the line. cool
You just need to be a couple of minutes faster. smile

Typically the run is the leg where many get to rest. sleep I like to think that it's the leg where I can make up ground by sitting as far forward to just avoid nose diving and trying to ride as many waves for as long as possible. If that means getting away from the dead run until an opening appears in the front wave then do it. There is nothing worse than having to climb up over the back of a wave in front of you. cry

Getting clean air is also very important so getting away from those pesky Paper Tigers and avoiding being blanketed at the top mark is critical.

Try it out in your next race.

Regards,

Peter

p.s. Maybe the Paper Tiger full hull shape and buoyancy also assists them downwind.
Posted By: self_inflicted

Re: To run or to tack.. that is the question - 03/31/10 04:23 AM

Hi Simon
For my 5 cents worth, When i used to sail my hobie turbo,I worked out that i wasn't on the wire up wind, it didn't pay me to tack down wind. i would hug a mast and just run square.
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