JPOR

Decided to head up today, hope to get some sailing in this afternoon.

See ya on the water1 <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Why don't you rub it in? What is the F16 class list looking like?

At last count, F16 attendees:

-1- Robi + Mary
-2- Chuck + Mavis
-3- Seth + Kelly
-4- Pete
-5- Matt + Gina
-6- Terry

PETE! If you are already up there, I will head up mad early tomorow then. I would go up this afternoon, but I have to much work to finish before I can go.

Ill see you earlier tomorow morning then.

Is THAT [color:"red"]Mary Wells [/color] onboard with Robi !!!!

You got a thing for "more mature" ladies, Wilder ?

Wouter

Hey, Wouter, nobody has ever called me "mature." However, it is definitely not me. My crewing days are long gone.

I would not mind having Mary on my boat. She is a cool cat! But no its not our forums Mary. The Mary that is crewing for me is a Coastie (Coast Guard) friend. She has never set foot on a beach cat before. So I am doing my share of recruiting!!!!

Right. "recruiting". <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Darn,

That is what I'm doing wrong. I always ask them out for a date and get that same "bunny caught in headlights" look followed by a "ehh, ahh, don't know, no really I have no time" reply.

Next time I'll try the "recruiting" pitch.

Wouter

LOOALLLAL you guys crack me. What makes matters worse is, she is a lil hotty.

Who is the official "on location" reporter? I want to hear the "off the water" stories, as well.

Robi, You are in trouble <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
I wonder which of the other guys at the event will tell her that you said that "she is a lil hotty" <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

hahaha last minute browse on the forums. I am on my way out. Funny thing is, I tell her all the time. She does not take me serious though. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Robi, make sure you find Roy and get him to take some photos of you and the hottie, without visual proof, it never happened... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hell, I did get pics of my hot crew last year and I can tell all of you that things still didn't happen. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Wouter

"last year", so you already killed it for this year? Sorry to hear that, she certainly made your boat look quite nice.

Jamie

Some late night reports. It blowing off the wall! I went out with Tback, we had a small accident and myh mainsail paid the ultimate price.

My mainsail is no longer a normal sail! We went over and I fell through it, and she blew up. Literally!! There is a maybe 8ft by 6ft hole over the first batten pocket and under the third pocket.

Matt is bringing me a new fat top sail.

It was all my fault, "it's always the crews fault"....that's what my skipper said..."Rule #1 everything is the crews fault" <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

that sucks robi, good thing matt has extras I guess. I guess it is time for yout o lose some weight

Robi's not kidding about the destruction on his sail! You could probably drive a small car through the hole.

Robi's crew is very pretty, even nicer, and there isn't an ounce of fat on this girl! She's about 5'2" 110 pounds! I don't know how he found her!!

Tback broke his boom on Saturday, most boats went over at one point or another. That includes yours truly, but I don't have any excuse or even legitmate cause. We were under spinnaker and I reached over to sheet the main a little tighter and my butt just slide right out from under me! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Went into an uncontrolled jibe and we were over in a flash. Ian, from Vectorworks was crewing and he didn't sneer at me even once! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Nice guy! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Pat: You gotta get one of these things! They are absolutely amazing!

This has been by far the most expensive race I have ever been to. LOL after the casualties obviously.

GREAT! venue, awesome group (as usual) good times.

YES PAT, you need to get a blade, no questions asked. Ill post my pictures in the next couple of days, or later when I get home.

So how many Blades were there? Any other F16's? Taipans, etc? Was it a line of thunderstorms that came through on Sunday? Saturday? Both?

We had five blades show up. No Taipans. Thunderstorms were present sunday afternoon. We got seriously rained on.

Order of places were:
1. Matt and Gina
2. Chuck and Paul
3. Robi and Mary
4. Terry - uni
5. Pete - uni

I need some crash and burn stories to make me feel better about my own abilities...I heard ATRS was used by at least one competitor.

uhhhh ..... that would be me. Winds on Saturday weren't as high as Friday and I'm just a weeee bit light on getting it over. Used the ATRS each race (like a charm -- until the bag developed a hole). I had to seek outside assistance (DSQ) to right the Blade; although it didn't matter since I fell on the boom and broke it neatly in two. No injuries, just a deflated ego as I was not far behind Matt and Chuck.

Borrowed a boom from Chuck (who used his old Taipan boom from Paul -- sailors are so gracious to keep their competitors on the water) <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Also stored my gear in Robi's trailor box...thanks.

Taped a small rip in the spi .... note to self ... once capsized do everything S L O W. I think I tore a small section of the clew snuffing it once capsized. Thanks to Chuck, again, for providing sail tape.

Sundays race started with light wind (ABCAC) that got shortened to ABCF. Several holes caught most boats. I finished 3rd behind Matt and Chuck followed, I think, by Robi and Pete.

Race 4 the winds shifted and picked up considerably. Buoys were moved. The line was heavily port favored. The previous Class had everyone on port start ..... except .... one lonely 16'. I guess everyone thought ALL boats were doing a port start.....we could hear the collision from afar. The starboard boat broke a jib shackle and abondoned. The port boat didn't think any damage was done and did his penalty turns ... sailed ABC .... and SUNK rounding C mark <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Anyway ... after that ... all spi boats started on starboard and the leeward pin!

Course 4 again. Good start by all, I was in 3rd round C when my traveller knot came untied as I was sheeting in for the weather mark. ... ugggg....all boats passed me and I finished last (actually where I expected to finish each race). Note to self ... do a quick inspection between races of lines and rigging.

It started raining just as we finished and made way for the beach.

Great fun. Looking forward to Daytona Summer Sizzler.

You guys are hurting me. The Blade I ordered in January seems to be having difficulties leaving the factory. Matt is too busy racing to return my calls so I'm stuck sitting on the beach looking at the wind on the water. Didn't sail on the weekend but still managed to get just a little too much sun on my nose.
I will just have to dream that I was on/in the water with the rest of the F16 swim team.

Hoping Matt gets into work today full of energy.

Must have been something you said <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

A bit of advice. Find yourself an anodising tube of 50x1.6 mm to use as a boom. I think the VWM boom is 40x2 mm, however the 50x1.6 is just as heavy and 60 % stronger. You can hit that one or even stand on it during a capsize and it will survive. I can say that from person experience as I have a 50x1.6 boom myself.

If you can only get non-anodised tubes like that then still get it the boom will turn grey in a short while but after that survice for many years anyway.

note that 25.4 mm = 1 inch. Now you can calculate yourself how many 1/16th or 1/32s ; 50 by 2 mm is because I sure don't know.

Wouter

Ain't that the truth. I've capsized this boat more in the last 3 weeks (6), than I did in 12 years with a 5.5sl. Shows you what great skills I have. I'm afraid that number may go up, since I am installing footstraps this week and will be trying to push it harder downwind.

Still, I wouldn't trade it. One day, I'll figure it out.

Sounds like a good time in the ocean.

Just make sure, that when you do capsize you do NOT land on your mainsail. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Most of the carnage was on Friday afternoon. Sustained winds, directly on shore, around 15 with a vicious chop. Short, steep little bastards with very short interval. I finally gave up, didn't even get off the beach. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Even Chuck and Paul had some difficulty. And the wind had shifted to the South a little by the time they were rigged. The interval was so short, it was very hard to get enough speed to punch through.

I don't think you landed ON your mainsail, it looks like you went THROUGH it! At first, I thought you guys had been run over by a power boat! I've never seen a sail so totally destroyed. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Blade 714? You scoundrel! That was my sail!
Oh well, I'm told that I will have to settle for the "new and improved" or is it the "latest and greatest".

Well, I heard that these new sails are the latest and greatest.

Sorry Bruce! Matt still has your jib though! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Hey Robi,

I don't know how things are organised by the US association, but you can only have 1 sailnumber assigned to yourself. So if you were Blade 701 then you still are Blade 701 and have to replace 714 with 701 !

This means that Bob still gets boat (and sailnumber) 714 !

Wouter

Okay, we all expect a full race report of you JPOR guys !

How many races, the conditions, the individual winner, the dueling matches, the crashes, the final results, everything !

Wouter

Hi Tom,

my favourite saying is, if you don't crash you don't know where the limit is <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />. Keep going for it,I have been sailing F16 for a couple of years and still crash regularly, it's what keeps me interested the challenge <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />. Remember a BLADE goes best on the edge <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />.

Don't listen to all those other cat sailors that can't remember the last time they tipped over, they don't know what it's like to live on the BLADES edge.

Regards Gary. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I am adding PUR to my number. There is already a US-714, I believe it is Jaime.

Who do I need to get in touch with about this?

My report goes as follows.

Got there friday afternoon around 1:30pm EST and started setting up. The wind was howling and there was a three foot sweell breaking on the shore.

I got all setup and decided to go out, at first I was going out uni. Thank goodness that did not happen. So I invited Terry out with me and he said sure. We made it out threw the surf only after probably 20 mins of trying. The boat did not suffer any damage in the process. We started powering up the boat on port tack. She was flying threw the waves. When we tacked and were on starboard, the boat was way overpowered. She was flying to high, and I was releasin too much mainsheet. Terry went to pull on some downhaul and that is when [censored] hit the fan. He slid foward causing a massive pitch pole. I was strapped in and I could not go anywhere else except fall onto my mainsail. That is when I fell THROUGH the sail and she exploded. After that, called it a day and returned to shore. We were both unharmed and in good spirits. I was mad, but oh well, there was nothing I could do at that point.

Saturday started out beautifully. We couldnt have asked for better weather. Winds were around 8kts in the morning and gradually built to 12kts. Me and my crew were double trapped and everything was under control. Seing how my crew NEVER ever set foot on a beach cat before, I made a point to myself, were I was going to be extra carefull and extremely patient. I did not expect anything from her. So I took my time in explaining everything and pointed each line out for her. I made sure I made it very easy for her to understand. Our markings were nice and slow and everything was performed with extreme caution. This in the long run paid off great. We did not capsize once, and held our own.

Sunday the weather was lighter. By today my crew had the hang of the boat, and I was telling her what line to pull by the name of the line and she performed flauless. We sailed a great race, with no major breakdowns or crashes. Minor errors on my behalf caused us to be somewhat slower than what I would have liked, but this is a learning process.

We had three or four races on saturday and two races on sunday. The courses were SABCACF on sunday the first race was shortened to SABCF.

Sunday when we all started making our way into the beach it started down pooring. It was raining so hard there was barely any visibility. Good thing about the rain it rinsed out everything really good.

Would you kids stop bickering over 714, because that is my number! I have hull(s) 714 and sail 714.<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Apparently, this happened because I went with Glaser sails and now we have two 714 mainsails floating around. Since Robi's boat and mine will probably never meet, it is really not a big deal if Robi continues to use that number. Fortunately with Robi's decal business, he can make his own numbers whenever he wants to.

Jamie

TRUE! but seing how we are in the US, you just never know. That is why I am adding PUR to mine.

Plus Bruce - Bobcat is in Canada so he can still get 714. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Wouter, can you point me to the rule regarding sail numbers please. I will do my own research after this post.
<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Except, I suspect that the HIN will contain a different number than 714. So it would be a matter if he wanted his sail number to match his boat number

Jamie

Ehh well it is an issue as the nation code + sailnumber is required to be unique in the world. So we can't have two "USA 714"

Actually this is an issue that the US class associations needs to sort out. The first member to register himself as an official member with a given sailnumber will be the rightful owner !

Wouter

Wouter, dont worry about it. There is NO TWO 714s in the US. Jaime is the official US-714. I clearly stated I am going to add PUR to my mainsail. I will be PUR-714. Bruce will be CAN-714.

I am sure we can sort it out. Dont worry about it. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Was decided on this forum about 18 months ago. I'm to pressed for time to look for it.

Besides you have registered yourself with me personally as an official F16 class member with the sailnumber USA 701. You were awarded rights to that number and therefor you have to keep it. This listing was transfered to the new F16 governing council and lets not confuse these guys anymore then we have too.

The only was to get a new sailnumber is to sell your boat and agree that the new owner takes over your sailnumber after which you can ask for a new one when you have bought a new F16.

Wouter

John Alani. the New Formula 16 class secretary since 1 may 2006

Wouter

At the same time it was decided that we use the official ISAF nation codes. So if PUR is an officially recognised Nation code by ISAF then PUR 714 could be already IF john alani agrees to that.

Actually guys, we're an official class now so changing sailnumbers is more complicated then just writing a note.

Sorry about that.

Wouter

I will get in touch with them and propose what I have posted here about adding PUR to my new number. If they are against it, then I will have to RIP 714 off my mainsail. What will happen if my new mainsail gets damaged? Will they cover the repair? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

I would much rather add to the mainsail, than to take those numbers off.

Robi,

as long as you are a bit careful, you should not be able to damage your sail by removing the sailnumber.
I have done this several times, and never had any trouble with ripped seams etc. I would be surprised if you did.

Removing sailnumbers from a sail is not that hard.

There should not be any damage what so ever if you take a little care.

I beleive the glue stains can be removed with a little anti-freeze windshield fluid.

Wouter

I have just sent an official request to John Jalani. I want to be changed from 701 to PUR-714.

Let's see how that goes. NOW back to the JPOR thread please.

Robi, I have sent you a PM.

To those parties that have taken an interest in this matter, please leave it alone until Robi and the F16GC have reached a decision. Thanks.

EDIT: No official intervention/decision required in this matter as Robi has elected to number his new mainsail as 701. The status quo is maintained... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Robi, you were born in Puerto Rico right?

Would you say there is more of a sailing culture in FL than back here?

I was not born in Puerto Rico, but raised. I lived there since I was three years old and moved out at 22. As far as beach cat sailing goes. Yes I think FL has a bigger community compared to Puerto Rico. As far as mono-slugs go, I would venture out and say Puerto Rico is bigger.

BUT take this as a grain of salt, because I have not been able to sail beach cats in Puerto Rico and I have NOT been able to sail mono-slugs in FL. I am constantly traveling back and forth, and I really have not seen much beach cat action going on in Puerto Rico.

Yeah I know what you mean, i currently crew in a mono, and it seems hard for cats to have good beach access here.

Do you keep your cat at your house and trailer back and forth, or do you keep it at the beach?

Sorry for the many questions, but I am considering moving there eventually, and would like to know how the sailing scene works.

If /when that happens my #1 priority will be getting a Blade jejeje.

I sent you a private message.

Ok, just anwered it.

Robi,

What about pics? It didn't (really) happen unless you have it on film!

Quick question on F16 uni:

When going to weather (and trapeezed) in moderate air, I felt like I wanted to be further forward than my tiller extension would allow. I could (maybe) have one foot forward of the side stay and felt like another 3-4 inches on the tiller would have allowed me to be a bit more forward and drive the leeward hull thru the water better.

Is this thinking correct? Keeping the leeward hull deeper in the water (almost to the point of "diving").

Sea state will play a part in the "attitude" of the hulls, but I've found that she seems to go well in chop when the weight is right at the side stay (my feet were on either side). I am by no means an expert, but tht is how I felt the boat best performed in lumpy conditions. Flat water and I may tend to get forward a little more....

Either way, if you are going to continue sailing uni - you need a new tiller extension. You need to be able to move forward in light air or be able to adjust forward controls. Check out the Ariba all carbon version tiller extension.

Any other opinions on weight placement?

Which one? I'm thinking the FX-4. True? I can't measure at the moment.



FX03 ARRIBA FX-3 FG STICK 50"-91" $115.00
FX04 ARRIBA FX-4 FG STICK 58"-108" $120.00
FX06 ARRIBA FX-6 FG STICK 63"-117" $125.00

I opted for the Fx-4, even though it lists for 8.5 foot wide boats. It is a fairly significant upgrade to all carbon ($189), but hey - you bought a light boat, keep it light.

Over the years I've had about a 50% success rate with the cork ball grip - meaning 50% of the time it pops off very early in its life. I've started replacing it (once it falls off) with a mountain bike grip. It takes a little work to get the grip on, but it works well and is a personal preference.

Yeah, I mountain bike too and love to hear my buddies talk about all the XTR components they have and how light it makes the bike (at 4-5x the cost)....even though they're carrying an extra 20-30 lbs on the rider!

I'm employing the ATR System so I don't think a couple of extra grams (for the european readers) will kill me.



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