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#101147 - 03/23/07 07:58 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: DougSnell]  
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Guys/Gals:

Just got this, this am.

Doug

Dear Doug,

“Thanks for your support!” to you from all of you.

It is now 0700 hours on Thursday, 23 March, and ‘all of you’ are the over 375(!) US multihull sailors who have joined the Complaint.

Your voice and your vote have sent a powerful message to the USOC and US SAILING that sailors from every part of the multihull community expect to be represented fairly and equally by the national governing body for the sport.

US SAILING will now be required to respond in accordance with the Bylaws of the USOC and the Ted Stevens Olympic and Amateur Sports Act.

A number of sailors have asked if they are eligible to participate in the Complaint.

Here is what the US Olympic Committee Bylaws and the US SAILING Bylaws say:

· USOC Bylaw 8.1.a.1
"Any amateur sports organization or person which belongs to, or is eligible to belong to [US SAILING] may seek to compel [US SAILING] to comply with the requirements of the [USOC] Bylaws or the [Ted Stevens Olympic and Amateur Sports] act".

· US SAILING General Bylaw 201 – Eligibility
"The membership of US SAILING is open to all sailing organizations and all sailors, coaches, trainers, managers, administrators, and officials without discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, age, sex, or national origin."

So, whether or not you are a current member of US SAILING – you are eligible to participate.

Information regarding the Complaint and its progress will be made available through email updates and web postings.

- Daily updates will be sent to you and all of the sailors who have voted their support.

- Special updates will be sent if there is important information or a new web posting.

The US multihull community is diverse and exciting. It is now discovering that it has a strong voice.

It is time to use our voice and to energize support for US multihull sailing at all levels: youth and learning to sail; recreational cruising and just ripping around for fun; one design and open racing; participation in international competition and Olympic campaigns.

US Multihull

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#101148 - 03/23/07 08:41 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: DougSnell]  
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Yup...time to grab the banners and march into town.


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#101149 - 03/23/07 08:50 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Jake]  
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I got the email, look at the top, it says about 375 cat sailors have already sent objections. Good job people!

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#101150 - 03/23/07 09:16 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Timbo]  
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I got the email, look at the top, it says about 375 cat sailors have already sent objections. Good job people!


That makes me at least 376!

#101151 - 03/23/07 10:30 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Keith]  
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This is the medal history for the Tornado in the Olympics.
Thought it might be interesting to look at.
[ Tornado class
Further information: Tornado (sailboat)
This is a mixed event for men and women.

Games Gold Silver Bronze
1976 Montreal Great Britain (GBR)
Reginald White
John Osborn United States (USA)
David McFaull
Michael Rothwell West Germany (FRG)
Jörg Spengler
Jörg Schmall
1980 Moscow Brazil (BRA)
Lars Sigurd Bjorkström
Alexandre Welter Denmark (DEN)
Peter Due
Per Kjćrgaard Sweden (SWE)
Goran Marstrom
Jorgen Ragnarsson
1984 Los Angeles New Zealand (NZL)
Rex Sellers
Chris Timms United States (USA)
Randy Smyth
Jay Glaser Australia (AUS)
Christopher Cairns
John Anderson
1988 Seoul France (FRA)
Jean Le Deroff
Nicolas Henard New Zealand (NZL)
Chris Timms
Rex Sellers Brazil (BRA)
Lars Grael
Clinio Freitas
1992 Barcelona France (FRA)
Yves Loday
Nicolas Henard United States (USA)
Randy Smyth
Keith Notary Australia (AUS)
Mitch Booth
John Forbes
1996 Atlanta Spain (ESP)
Jose Ballester
Fernando Leon Australia (AUS)
Mitch Booth
Andrew Landenberger Brazil (BRA)
Lars Grael
Kiko Pellicano
2000 Sydney Austria (AUT)
Roman Hagara
Hans Peter Steinacher Australia (AUS)
John Forbes
Darren Bundock Germany (GER)
Roland Gäbler
René Schwall
2004 Athens Austria (AUT)
Roman Hagara
Hans-Peter Steinacher United States (USA)
John Lovell
Charlie Ogeltree Argentina (ARG)
Santiago Lange
Carlos Espínola


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#101152 - 03/23/07 10:35 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Jake]  
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Yup...time to grab the banners and march into town.

No pitchforks and torches?!?!


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#101153 - 03/23/07 12:40 PM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: hobie1616]  
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Bring 'em if you got 'em!


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#101154 - 03/23/07 03:39 PM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Jake]  
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#101155 - 03/24/07 07:32 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: warbird]  
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Guys/Gals:

We have over whelmed there email server. The are now using FedEx. Got this this mourning.

Doug


Dear Doug,

It is now 2200 hours on Friday, 23 March, and nearly 500 (!) multihull sailors have submitted a Complaint to the USOC.

In a US SAILING Press Release posted today, US SAILING President Jim Capron said:

"Is the list of events in the ISAF submission representative of sailing in the United States?"

"No. It is also not representative of the sailing that the non-Olympic side of the association actively supports and promotes."

This admission underscores the validity of the Complaint. US SAILING appears to be completely out of touch with its responsibilities as a national governing body.

Earlier today the General Counsel of the US Olympic Committee commented that the sheer number of Complaint submissions had overflowed their email system. The updates sent to the USOC will now be sent by FEDEX.

The US multihull complaint looks like it is the largest complaint (by number of submitters) ever initiated with the USOC.

Good sailing to all

#101156 - 03/24/07 08:27 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: DougSnell]  
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Doug,
How come you are getting these responses, and I have not gotten a single one. I even sent my complaint a second time in case I didn't do it right the first time. Nothing back.

This is a rhetorical question, because I know you don't know the answer. So you don't need to reply to this.

#101157 - 03/24/07 08:28 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Mary]  
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I've been getting them too Mary. Perhaps your spam blocker is stopping them reaching you?


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#101158 - 03/24/07 08:40 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Timbo]  
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Well, I can't imagine, since my spam blocker doesn't even block spam.

#101159 - 03/24/07 09:19 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Mary]  
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It goes to whichever email you put on the complaint form, so if you used a secondary email address to protect you from spam, you will have to call up that secondary email. I hope I am not stating the obvious. This happens to me all the time. I use my yahoo account to register something and then get mad when I don't recieve a response on my primary email. [RANT] Speaking of which... I never get any spam on my yahoo account. I get a ton of spam on my cable modem account that I pay out the <noodle> to maintain. I always try to keep my cable account private but somehow it gets out there and I get tons of stock quotes and online viagra stores. So my free account has a better spam blocker than my pay account. Makes me wonder what the cable company is doing with my money. [\RANT]

From a spectator position I think this is cool to see how the system actually works sometimes when it comes to using the established complaint channels. Whether or not US Sailing comes around or not, I think they get the message. I really hope they do the right thing.

-Rob V.


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#101160 - 03/24/07 06:43 PM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Mary]  
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Mary,

I have been getting the exact same ones.


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#101161 - 03/24/07 10:43 PM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: windswept]  
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Mary:

Got this today. Sounds like BS to me.

Doug

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#101162 - 03/25/07 04:37 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: DougSnell]  
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Doug, that's the same press release I already posted on here. And yes, you are right about what it sounds like.

However, due to correspondence I have been having back and forth with Jim Capron, I now have a pretty good idea of what we need to do and how we need to do it.

I will get my thoughts organized and post about that on Monday.

Meanwhile, I hope all multihull sailors are contacting all the multihull sailors they know (many of whom do not frequent these forums) and give them the link to add their name to the complaint against US Sailing (at the beginning of this thread) that goes to the U.S. Olympic Committee.

#101163 - 03/25/07 06:13 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Mary]  
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I got the initial one but none after that (but then again, I'm at a regatta and haven't been in front of my home computer since Friday).


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#101164 - 04/04/07 07:13 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Jake]  
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Update? Anything happening?


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#101165 - 04/04/07 07:57 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Chris9]  
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Anything happening? Yes, but slowly.

Based upon the US Sailing press release, I sent a letter to Jim Capron and Dean Brenner asking additional questions. Jim Capron responded to my questions, but asked that his responses not be distributed on the forum or in the magazine.

I then sent a letter to Gary Bodie with some additional questions that I thought he would be in a position to answer. He gave me some good answers, but they are only a part of the picture.

I then had a bunch of new questions that I have sent to Gary Bodie, Dean Brenner and Jim Capron. Gary is in Europe right now, so Dean Brenner says he can answer my questions if it is okay with Jim Capron. HOWEVER, since these answers are for publication, they have to be coordinated through the US Sailing PR Department.

So right now I am on hold. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

#101166 - 04/04/07 08:53 AM Re: www.usmultihull.com [Re: Mary]  
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Hi Mary

I have some past experience in dealing with these very same folks... Their standard operating procedure is. I will answer your questions... but only privately. At the end... you are stonewalled and nothing has changed or will change.

Good luck. A stone wall and a good ol boy network are formidable!


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