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#101236 - 03/21/07 02:39 PM Reply from US Sailing President.  
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Earlier today I sent an email to the President of US Sailing, James Cabron, in regards to their non-support of the Tornado for the 2012 Olympics. He replied to me a little while ago, amazing considering the short time lapsed.

Rather than try to quote the entire reply, I will sum it up. He said there are many more meetings to go, nothing is final yet. He said they have no bias agains the Tornado but were trying to put in as much support for the classes they thought the US Sailing Team had the best chance of medaling in, and they are trying to level the women's events with the men's.

So the Tornado has not been dropped, but obviously they are listening so the more input they get from cat sailors, they harder time they will have -not- supporting the Tornado when the time comes for the final vote.

Mary listed the 3 email contacts somewhere on this forum, that's where I got the one I used. Thanks Mary.


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#101237 - 03/22/07 09:14 AM Re: Reply from US Sailing President. [Re: Timbo]  
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This will serve as a bump to the front page, as Rick and Mary have suggested, all multihull sailors need to email the contacts Mary listed. The fact that the President replied to me in about 5 hours means they are listening. BTW, I did list my US Sailing number, I don't know if that is why I got such a quick reply, but if you are a member, be sure to tell them.


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#101238 - 03/22/07 09:23 AM Re: Reply from US Sailing President. [Re: Timbo]  
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Tim -

You're on the right road taking that approach, IMO. Your representatives in the Multihull Council have not given up or stayed quiet - I'm on the phone for hours each day. There is a Special Meeting called under the MHC bylaws that is happening this week. We've gathered a lot of input and suggestions, and now we're ready to make another try at effective communication with the Board. Details will be on the MHC site along with an explanation of what's next.

Everyone - please don't quit your membership yet. E-mails and letters to the Board from non-members or folks how have thrown in the towel are not likely to be taken seriously right now. I share your frustration - trust me. I never imagined that this is what I would face as the in-coming Chair of the Council. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />


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#101239 - 03/22/07 09:35 AM Re: Reply from US Sailing President. [Re: John Williams]  
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John,
I know you guys on the Multihull Council are doing all you can, and we all appreciate it. But there are only a few of you and there are a few thousand active multihull sailors. We need to mobilize the troops to make our wishes known. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

#101240 - 03/22/07 09:37 AM Re: Reply from US Sailing President. [Re: Mary]  
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Mary:

Just sent my comments off to all three of the listed links.

Doug

#101241 - 03/22/07 09:44 AM Re: Reply from US Sailing President. [Re: Mary]  
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We need to mobilize the troops to make our wishes known.


I couldn't agree more, Mary - I truly think that some on the Board believe we are representatives without a population of sailors behind them. E-mails, letters and phone calls make that misconception evaporate.

I am simply asking that all of you who have called and written to me specifically NOT follow through with your pledge to quit US SAILING outright and immediately. It is clear that this gut reaction is not isolated and is building steam, so I wanted to make the case for initial calm.


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#101242 - 03/22/07 09:44 AM Re: Reply from US Sailing President. [Re: John Williams]  
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John, thanks for all the work you and Jake do for us. One of the reasons I continued my US Sailling membership is so I would have a voice they (might) have to listen to. Without a memebership, well, why would they listen?

Could you please add a link to the US Sailing Multihull site in your signature when ever you post? That will make it much easier for any non-members to click and join.

Thanks again, and keep at it! The squeaky wheel gets the grease!


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#101243 - 03/22/07 10:16 AM Re: Reply from US Sailing President. [Re: John Williams]  
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Just to be cynical, I am wondering whether it would make a difference if, say, 20 multihull sailors all became patron members of US Sailing for a year at $1,000 a pop. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

#101244 - 03/22/07 10:32 AM Re: Reply from US Sailing President. [Re: Mary]  
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Yeah, it would be great if Hobie, Nacra and Vectorworks all ponied up as much as Vanguard does, then we might see a shift in their view of Multihulls... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

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#101245 - 03/22/07 11:15 AM Re: Reply from US Sailing President. [Re: Timbo]  
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Guys/Gals:

I just got ths in my email mailbox today. It help to send a comment to them!!

Sent on Behalf Of:

Doug Snell
305 Hobbs Road Apt #102
League City, TX 77573

To:
Mr. Peter Ueberroth
Chair, US Olympic Committee
1 Olympic Plaza
Colorado Springs, CO 80909
Tel: 719.632.5551

RE: Complaint against US SAILING

This complaint is being filed in accordance with the procedure described in the USOC By-Laws Section 8.1; and under the provisions of the Ted Stevens Olympic and Amateur Sports Act (ASA).

The US SAILING Board of Directors has approved and forwarded to the International Sailing Federation a submission titled “2012 Olympic Events”. This submission proposes 6 dinghy events and 2 keelboat events, but omits any proposal of a multihull event.

Competition at the Olympic Regatta is held in a number of event categories. US multihull sailors have won Olympic medals in 4 of the 7 Olympic Regattas attended by the US Team. Multihull racing constitutes approximately Ľ of the all racing done worldwide. And, US SAILING has long recognized multihull racing as one of the core competition categories, having established:
* Youth and Adult National Championships
* A national Multihull Council, which is described as follows - “Sailors are represented by Councils & Associations of groups having common sailing interests on a national basis.”
* The Hoyt-Jolley Multihull Fund for the adult championship, and the Stevens Restricted Fund the youth championship.

1. ASA §220524(1) states that a national governing body shall “… be responsible to the persons and amateur sports organizations it represents”.

The “2012 Olympic Events” submission disenfranchises US multihull sailors and the Multihull Council. The Board of Directors has declined to act despite appeals made by phone, email, letter, and in-person by the Chair and Vice-Chair of the Multihull Council and many individual multihull sailors. US multihull sailors challenge the Board of Directors to show that it is being responsible to the persons and amateur sports organizations it represents”.

2. ASA §220524(3) states that a national governing body shall ”…reasonably reflect the views of the athletes in its policy decisions”.

The “2012 Olympic Events” submission fails to reflect the views of US multihull sailors.

The multihull class representative on the Olympic Sailing Committee was excluded from the discussions that resulted in the slate of events that was submitted to the Board of Directors for approval.

The representatives of the Multihull Council were not informed of, or consulted in regard to this pivotal policy decision.

The US SAILING Team multihull athletes, coaches, and other personnel were not informed or consulted; and learned of the submission only after it had been forwarded to the ISAF.

3. ASA §220522(a) states that an “amateur sports organization is eligible to be recognized, or to continue to be recognized, as a national governing body only if it” §220522(a)8 “provides an equal opportunity to amateur athlete… to participate in amateur athletic competition, without discrimination”.

The “2012 Olympic Events” submission discriminates against US multihull sailors. It proposes only monohull events, and thereby denies equal opportunity to US multihull sailors.

4. USOC Article VIII Section 8.1.A.2.c states “ if such remedies [available] have not been exhausted, the grounds upon which the complainant alleges that exhaustion would result in unnecessary delay;

The time required to follow the procedures required to exhaust available remedies will result in unnecessary delay and irreparable harm to US multihull sailors.

The publication by the ISAF of the US SAILING submission is immanent; and this publication will disseminate globally US SAILING’s disenfranchisement of multihull racing.

The ISAF Mid-Year Meeting, for which the submission was made, will take place from 4-6 May 2007. If the submission is not amended or withdrawn it will cause irreparable harm to US multihull sailors.



The US SAILING Board of Directors has not met its responsibilities as laid out in the ASA. The “2012 Olympic Events” submission needs to be amended to include one or more multihull events; or if it cannot be amended it must immediately be withdrawn.

Respectfully,

Doug Snell
305 Hobbs Road Apt #102
League City, TX 77573

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#101246 - 03/22/07 02:22 PM Re: Reply from US Sailing President. [Re: John Williams]  
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I am simply asking that all of you who have called and written to me specifically NOT follow through with your pledge to quit US SAILING outright and immediately. It is clear that this gut reaction is not isolated and is building steam, so I wanted to make the case for initial calm.


I actually rejoined US Sailing last year specifically to have a voice in what is going on in sailing at an organized level. Even though I do not agree with their direction and definate lack of support for multihull sailing in this country, I joined to have a say in this matter. It is time that we as multihull sailors begin to speak loudly and in unison for a voice in US Sailing as well as in sailing in this country in general. We need to let our existence be known and we need to develop our own "path to the Olympics" if we want there to be one for multihulls.


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