Has anyone gone to the 2 line Spin setup that many of the F18 and Tornado sailors have gone back to?

With less contact points it should be easier for my wife to set.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

Stephen
Blade 718

Matt M had separate lines for the spi tack and spi halyard at the Gulfport Regatta. It is coming standard on the Alter Cup boats, I believe. It looked pretty slick - but too complicated for me to explain (combined with my short memory). Swivel cleat on the mast, tack cleats underneath tramp (I think), with some sort of rip cord to release it - does this sound familiar to any European sailors (Matt compared it to how a lot of European F18 sailors rig)?

Gina said she preferred it over the single line raise/douse system. Maybe he can post details or pics. The CHUCK sailed with it at Gulfport, too.

Here in Europe a lot of sailors use the 2 line spin system.
Something to think about is how to release the halyard that pulls the spin to the tip of the boat.

I'll try and make some pictures within a week or 2, bacuase there aren't a lot of boats setup at this moment.

Regards,
Gill

I know of the system but don't use it as I sail the F16 singlehanded alot. When singlehanding I don't want to have the cleat on one side of the mast.
I'm sure it can be made to work for singlehanders but. ....

Wouter

I'm collecting my new Stealth F16 this Sunday and it is rigged with a twin line system. I liked this set up as I will be able to deploy the tack from the wire prior to the windward mark, once round it will just be a case of pulling the kite up. To drop when I put tension on the spi downhaul the tack cleat will automatically be released (thats the theory). I'll take some photos in the near future.
P.S I'm copying a system used on a newish Tornado.

The setup I saw had a rip cord (very similar to a parachute rip cord) that the skipper would release with a quick pull of a ring. Pretty neat.

Wouter may be correct in thinking that it may not be the best solution for single handing.....

My wife likes to sail so I will rarely single hand. When I do, it won't be in races so I will have plenty of time to set and douse.

Stephen
Blade 718

Any pictures of a 2 line setup will be very much appreciated. I have a race in three weeks and want to make the change before then. She gets one day to get use to it before race day but the race is long distance so its not so bad.

If anyone cares <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> ... I am not sure how Matt is rigging the new boats, but on the Jav2 the tack line goes from the tip of the spin pole back under the tramp to a headbanger cleat mounted to lines attached under the tramp and comes up through a hole in the tramp about 1-2 feet in front of the center of the rear beam. This seemed odd to me at first but it actually makes a LOT of sense. When double handed the crew can concentrate on raising the spin and not have to worry about pulling on the tack line because the skipper does it. Also works well single handed because you are there and you pull the spin tack out as you move forward to raise the halyard.
Tried to find a pic, but can't find one that shows it well

You're a lot shorter than the last time I saw you!

Good lookin' boat! How do you like it?

Pete, thanks... it is a very fun boat.
It is very nice.. like an overgrown A cat really. Went singlehanded for a long time the other day which was nice. No way I would be able to handle the 6.0 solo for any length of time. The only problem with the boat is that I got it half/half with a friend who weighs 230 so he and I are too much weight for the boat to really be competitive. However, there really is no perfect boat- unless we went to the N20 which would be a lateral move when trying to get a lighter boat than the 6.0. At 400lbs we aren't very competitive.. but oh well... my wife and I are and he and his 10 y/o are so it all works out. Maybe he will buy me out within a year or so then I can get a blade which would be ideal for me and my wife.

Yes, I shrunk myself down and became the most beautiful, perfect 19 month old girl <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

p.s. sorry for the hijack <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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"Maybe he will buy me out within a year or so then I can get a blade which would be ideal for me and my wife".

Why a Blade? Haven't you considered the benefits of a STEALTH F16.

Probably hard to get a stealth in the US

Have you ever tried asking? You might be suprised it might even work out at the same price as a Vector Works Blade including shipping costs etc. If it doesn't I wouldn't have thought there would be a lot in it apart from a lot of CARBON, T-FOILS & LANDENBERGER SAILS (at present the fastest F16 & F18 sails in Europe).

with the exchage rate the way it is I think it would be crazy expensive... and no dealer on the continent

I have... on the Tornado.

Robbie Daniel tells me that testing has shown the 2-line system to be faster (on the 2-man Tornado) because it speeds the hoist (because you can cheat out the tack and have less line to pull after rounding). However, the 2-line system does slow down the douse somewhat. The hoist is more critical both tactically and because the boat is slower when hoisting than when dousing.

Lovell and Ogletree have a 2-line setup, but they use a
swivel cleat at the stbd front beam instead of the spinlock under the beam with a spinlock. Charlie says he doesn't trust the spinlocks.

On the other hand, Mitch Booth's son (with Mitch as crew) got 2nd in the 2005 tiger worlds with a single-line system. Then again, they were sailing a charter boat.

Have people experimented with 1:2 on halyard? Obviously makes it heavier, but you've only got to pull half as much line, and the thing that makes hoisting really heavy is not getting it up fast enough so that it sets before it hits the top.

Paul

John Williams has that set up oon his Cap. I saw it at Perf Midwinteres a couple weeks ago. You would have to ask him specifics though, I didn't look at it for very long.

I have used 1:2 when crewing on 12 skiffs and it was very quick.... However you run a lot deeper during the set on a skiff and the loads are not as high.

Speeking with Bundock and Forbes, they trialed the 1:2 set up on their Tornado but the loads were far too high to use.

See this thread for pics of our 2 line halyard system. Same as what a lot of the Tornado boys are running...... Very clean and works very well.

http://www.catsailor.com/forums/showflat...0&fpart=all