Catfan,

Are you comparing a non F16 and an F16 price, don't undertstand that comment. Please explain how you can compare the price of a F16 with what I assume is the Jav 16 foot boat.

Also please can you chek the prices of other boats.

Stealth offer a single handed F16 at 7150GBP which at todays rate on the BBC is 10506.21 EUR, or a 2 up boat at 7950GBP which is 11681.73 EUR.

So which F16 are you using as your closest ?

Hi All

The Taipan 4.9 is still being produced, if you order one, you can get one.

The price of the Taipan, is set to come down, although we have been told this may take 6 months, to come in affect.

There are a few people that have sold or are selling their current boats to upgrade to newer boats, which in turn has opened up the secondhand market again.

Just back from a very successful Western Victorian Easter Regatta, with a couple I think 3 or 4 Taipans sailing as F16 and 4 or 5 sailing as either cat or sloop Taipans.

Regards

Thanks Matt, that confirms what I have heard.

I am looking for a second hand 4.9 for a mate and was told the market was about to open up again with new boats on order / sold, but waiting on the arrival of the new hulls.

No Worries

The secondhand market can't seem to keep up at the moment, which can be good or bad I suppose, depends which side of the coin your on.

Some looking for sloops, some for sloop with kite and a few looking for cat rigs, so good mix all round.

Regards

scooby,




He is using my quotes as a comparison and I always quote the most complete boats when discussing the F16's. I hate it when somebody says that a certain boat cost such and such only to find out afterwards that this doesn't include a jib, selftacker, (pentex) sails, second set of trapezes, shipping, delivery etc. Sadly alot of boat builders do business that way, from Marstrom, never includes the sails, to Hobie where even the second set of trapezes is considered an EXTRA !

Basically I quote the prices of the race-ready (as seen in the pics, sailed by Matt himself) price of the F16's, both Stealth, Blades and future Viper F16. If one would loose the jib and selfacker, the shipping costs and some other stuff then the named F16's and Jav-16 will be quite close to one-another in "price". This is of course reflected by your statement, Scooby.





So I guess I'm to blame for catfan using a high quote of the Stealth F16. But then again that quote will get you in front of the fleet as a fully fitted out sloop doublehander.

Wouter

Matt,

Who is producing the Taipan hulls ?


And Stephen, is it not time to loose your F18 worlds 2007 banner ?

Wouter

Hi All

I am uncertain of a name, however from what I can gather it is an ex-employee of Boyers, but not Todd at Geltec. When wanting to order hulls or foils I believe you still contact Jim Boyer and the process begins.

The above information I am not 100% sure on, but I am sure that if you want a new boat, you contact Jim, and you will recieve.

Regards

Regards

This seems to be exactly what Jim announced at 11 feb 2006, but I interprete it as requiring a group order of at least several boats in one go or the one-off production run will run up the costs beyond what the Taipan already costed (and it was never cheap)

This also links in with my earlier comments and the talks I had with AHPC. If the situation is different then what I was told then I would love to know. Afterall, there is no point in me telling things that are not true.


source : http://www.catsailor.com/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=88886&page=

******************* the announcement **************************

Hi all,

Just a quick note to confirm any rumors.

Boyer fibrecraft ceased manufacturing in Australia last friday. That does not mean I'm gone, just different. I'm still involved with the F18 and are still able to source parts. I doubt I will be sailing again for some time though, I just need to be away from that for a while.

So whats happened.

My foils have been taken over by one of my employees, and I can still supply these for you.

The tool A class hulls have been taken over by Mobile Fibreglass in Bendigo (another of my ex employees) These were not my moulds, Wayne Mercer owns them and you can contact him on 03 59 889 794 for further info.

I have not passed the Taipan moulds to anyone at the moment, though there are 3 businesses in Bendigo that are able to do the job. I will retain ownership of the moulds. I also have the older Taipan mould overseas, but that would require a large order to be economic. Gordon Barrett 9561 3335 can supply info on this.

My equipments has mostly being sold, and I've got a few spare A class, tornado and mosquito moulds for sale.

I have 2 new business ideas to follow, one is in the grey water industry- I'm hoping to have a spot on the new inventers in Feb, and the second is in the fibreglass/ boat building industry.
I will put more info on these on my website in January, in the mean time I'm having a bit of time off.

My phone number will remain as 03 5447 7700 and my email is now boyerfib(at)aapt.net.au or from Jan 1 jim(at)boyer.com.au

Best wishes to all.

Jim Boyer

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Wouter

I think that the 'several' required was/is refering to the overseas mould.

I'm just trying make clear that I'm not 100% sure of the process of obtaining a new set of hulls, because I'm not looking to, but have been told that if I were to order one there is no problems.

There has already been a boat sold, to make way for a new set of hulls, and have been told the price will be coming down, which may make it more attractive to those wishing to do the same.

Regards

Alright Thanks,

Wouter

Sorry Wouter
again you showed not to be well informed about BIMARE.
First of all BIMARE has quite a large dealer network in Europe: it is directly represented in Switzerland, Austria, Germany (two dealers for North and South G.), Danmark, Spain and the United Kingdom.
The quotations I provided are not ex factory, but ex Barcelona (Spain), then shipping is INCLUDED.
Now let me add a though.
Apparently the Dutch dealer of Stealthmarine charges much more than the Spanish dealer of BIMARE:
on the other side of the English Channel the same Stealth F16 is some EUR 2.000 more expensive !!!

Personally, I don't understand what is wrong with 400-pound boats. Rick and I sailed our Hobie 18 for almost 15 years and never had any problem whatsoever moving it around on the land -- that's what beach wheels are for. And once it is in the water, what difference does the weght make if you are racing one-design?

I just figure lightweight boats appeal to singlehanders who don't have a crew to help them get their boat in and out of the water.

My 66 year-old back says, "Thank you very much" evry time I have to lift and move my A-class cat by myself!
My wife quit sailing with me 11 years ago because of having to lift and move 440 pound big Hobies, then having to go to a chiropractor to get straightened: we decided to NEVER lift the Hobie unless there were 8 lifting volunteers. 6 was too few and causes damage among the old folks.

Do we get bonus points for having _carried_ our first Tornado to and from the ramp the first times we sailed it? Boat weighet app. 200kgs, and we both was very happy when we got it on wheels! (No other cats around then, and we did not know anything at all about cats). Today it's a story we can laugh of, but even on beach wheels the 200kg boat was a beast to retrieve after sailing.

About the Bimare. Except for mast height, why dont it measure in to the F-16 formula? I checked the danish resellers pages, and the 16 footer was not listed there. Is it still buildt and is the price valid?

Why would you ever have to LIFT it? -- unless you were double-stacking or something?

Becouse it took us some time to re-invent beachwheels, and we wanted to sail the beast we had rebuildt? As I said, we can laugh a lot of this story (and all the others, and there are a lot of them), but we basically had to learn everything by ourself as there was nobody to learn from. You should have seen us dragging that boat along supported by ropes over our necks.. There was nothing wrong with the motivation!

Sorry about the hijack.

Indeed, that is the reason why I wrote that I PERSONALLY don't know of any BIM agents and dealors.




This can well be, but I never seen any webpages, advertisement or even any mentioning of these dealors or agents and I do keep an eye out for such things. Truthful or not, this is what I know about Bim boats. As the bim website relocates every couple of months I also stopped checking that.

As I wrote earlier , it was not a concious decision not to name the Bims. It is just a builder that is very unknown and under represented in the areas were I keep track of these things. As far as I'm aware the "large dealor network" of Bim is pretty much the area around the Alps. But then again I really don't know because it is never discussed in the scene where I move. The same can be said about the Ventilo boats.

In effect I fully admit being uninformed about Bims.

Wouter

Sorry, Rolf. I was answering Dave.

On the other hand, my family's first catamaran was a Shark, which was probably 600 pounds, and weight was never a problem, because we always launched either from a ramp or from a hoist. Nobody ever had to lift anything.

It was not until we got into beach cats, with people launching from a beach, that boat weight seemed to become a problem. And people weight, too. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Mary, it is a basic thing. I used to love the old 65 Chev I learnt to drive in....but...While I would love a brand new one I would not want the manufacturer not to take advantage of basic tech advances made in the last 40 years....light is right.

This is good news. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> What is jim's email address?
Thanks,