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#135326 - 03/08/08 07:46 PM Midwinters update  
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Great wind today, NW gusty though and shifty (does that make it great? dunno). Poor start on race one... Tshan and Tback didn't make it to the line in time so it was me, running 2-up with my friend captcardiac. I was driving. Apparently kept up with some 17Rs upwind and felt like I was gaining on them a lot downwind... that is until we got caught in the dead spot in the middle of the course. We rounded A and 2 boats in front of us managed to forget all about that little mark that is commonly known as the "offset" mark which isn't optional I heard <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Hit A mark once when we didn't communicate very well and my crew thought I had the mainsheet when I told him to come in off the wire. no biggy. We didn't finish all that well in race 1 despite us being able to hang with the 17s. Did not notice the F18s really because we were dealing with pretty good puffs and managing to sail into all the dead spots.
Race 2.. ahd a great start, hit the pin end with speed right at the gun. Smoking upwind and heard a pop which was something breaking which required us to forget the rest of the regatta. Had to help my friend with his boat.... I will fill you guys in on that later.
Great day though and I consider it a success for my first race. If you get enough weight in the back of the boat you can KILL other boats downwind.
A lot fo boats didn't make it to the start line on race one.. which brings up the question- if half the boats don't make it to the start on time, should you still start the race?

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#135327 - 03/08/08 09:12 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: PTP]  
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which brings up the question- if half the boats don't make it to the start on time, should you still start the race?


If the RC posted a start time, not only are they not obligated to wait for stragglers or foot-draggers, they actually could be protested by those who were diligent and on-time. If it is the PRO I think it is, there is also a strong tendancy to leave little doubt who is in charge on the water. This event has seen unruly fleets before that resulted in ugly protests - especially if the PRO (yours truly, in the cited case) shows any leniency whatsoever.

I'm reading a good book right now by Buddy Melges. There's a section on "Knowing Your RC."


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#135328 - 03/08/08 09:18 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: PTP]  

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So what was the pop, was it Curry hitting the sound barrier? Or was it one of the F16 rudders snapping, or your hull breaking off. Try some honest reporting and may be you guys will gain some respect.

#135329 - 03/08/08 09:41 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: ]  
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So what was the pop, was it Curry hitting the sound barrier? Or was it one of the F16 rudders snapping, or your hull breaking off. Try some honest reporting and may be you guys will gain some respect.


Where did that come from? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

#135330 - 03/08/08 09:43 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: John Williams]  
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which brings up the question- if half the boats don't make it to the start on time, should you still start the race?


If the RC posted a start time, not only are they not obligated to wait for stragglers or foot-draggers, they actually could be protested by those who were diligent and on-time. If it is the PRO I think it is, there is also a strong tendancy to leave little doubt who is in charge on the water. This event has seen unruly fleets before that resulted in ugly protests - especially if the PRO (yours truly, in the cited case) shows any leniency whatsoever.

I'm reading a good book right now by Buddy Melges. There's a section on "Knowing Your RC."


I think I agree with you... although I don't think I would have the balls to protest the RC for not starting the race on time.

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reports from the beach, how bout your version????

#135332 - 03/08/08 09:56 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: ]  
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reports from the beach, how bout your version????


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I may have overstated the "smoked them downwind." I will edit and change that so trolls don't get pissed.
Aside from that.. would you care to just tell me what has pissed you off so much so i can stop guessing?

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Overstated, like King Kong was a little monkey? Not pissed at all just would like to hear some real fact's. So what was the pop? And where did you run off to?

#135334 - 03/08/08 10:02 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: ]  
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So what was the pop, was it Curry hitting the sound barrier? Or was it one of the F16 rudders snapping, or your hull breaking off. Try some honest reporting and may be you guys will gain some respect.


reread my post... is that better? Just want to make sure you are happy because that is what I strive for- on the F16 forum. Since you don't think much of us, why are you reading the F16 forum anyway? I didn't post this on the main forum because of stupid responses like yours.

#135335 - 03/08/08 10:04 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: ]  
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Overstated, like King Kong was a little monkey? Not pissed at all just would like to hear some real fact's. So what was the pop? And where did you run off to?

Were you there?

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Took you a while I see you had to go and run my user rating from 5 stars down to 2 . Grow a sack and post on the open forum.

#135337 - 03/08/08 10:08 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: ]  
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Took you a while I see you had to go and run my user rating from 5 stars down to 2 . Grow a sack and post on the open forum.

I didn't touch your stars.... and, as I posted on the main forum, stars don't mean squat. You've got issues...
Were you at the race?

#135338 - 03/08/08 10:10 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: ]  
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Took you a while I see you had to go and run my user rating from 5 stars down to 2 . Grow a sack and post on the open forum.

o.k... so now I messed with your stars. feel free to do the same to me. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

#135339 - 03/08/08 10:14 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: PTP]  

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still what was the problem with your boat let's get back on track and stop sniping around it. I do not care about this just killin some time dude, you guy,s should have your t shiry logo be "I have an F16 and my Dell is faster than yours"

#135340 - 03/08/08 10:19 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: ]  
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still what was the problem with your boat let's get back on track and stop sniping around it. I do not care about this just killin some time dude, you guy,s should have your t shiry logo be "I have an F16 and my Dell is faster than yours"


Good one... I'll mention that to Robi.

#135341 - 03/08/08 11:20 PM Re: Midwinters update [Re: PTP]  
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We were in the mix with everyone except the LAYLINE F18,they kicked our butts.

Close racing all around, but it was fun. I'll post more details later.


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#135342 - 03/09/08 04:08 AM Re: Midwinters update [Re: tshan]  
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... that may not have met F17 OD specs ...



Problem here is that nobody really knows anymore what the OD Inter-17 (F17) specs are ?!

There been so many of them and the class rules almost explicetly state that everything as delivered d by PC or their dealors is OD compliant. But that is a topic for another forum.

I'm sorry to hear BC coming down with significant damage, never a good thing especially if caused by another.

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#135343 - 03/09/08 06:18 AM Re: Midwinters update [Re: PTP]  
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So what was the pop, was it Curry hitting the sound barrier? Or was it one of the F16 rudders snapping, or your hull breaking off. Try some honest reporting and may be you guys will gain some respect.


Where did that come from? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


Perhaps he’s more than a little jealous. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Btw- what was the ‘pop’? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />


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#135344 - 03/09/08 06:24 AM Re: Midwinters update [Re: Buccaneer]  
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Btw- what was the ‘pop’



In my case 2 years ago, it was the "mainsail shackle+ring" up the top breaking and that 15 dollar item does indeed put an end to your racing (sail comes down). I can tell you that it is very hard to find a quick replacement for that. Typically a very tall D-shackle will also do the job, but those are very rare in repair kits. The hook itself with its edges will cut through any line when you put 450 kg mainsheet tension and 500 kg downhaul tension on it. You also completely deform and break any welded trapeze rings. Afterall we broke the thing in 25+ knots and big waves.

I'm not saying I know what the pop in PTP case was, but I do understand that it can sometimes be a very small item (little damage) that puts you out of action for the whole weekend ! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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#135345 - 03/09/08 08:20 AM Re: Midwinters update [Re: ]  
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"Grow a sack and post on the open forum."

I asked that an update be posted here so we wouldn't annoy the folks on the main forum.

You're getting to be as rude as your bald-headed friend.

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