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#149425 - 07/13/08 12:30 PM Adequate Anchor Type & Size for F18?  
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What type & size of anchor is adequate to hold an F18 catamaran in rough weather, with a sand or mud bottom? That's assuming a long enough anchor rode for the depth, etc. I am assembling the gear that I need to go out onto Lake Michigan & Green Bay without any dedicated support, other than my wife reachable by cell phone. I have purchased a Standard Horizon HX850S marine radio with GPS & DSC, and am also assembling info on flares. I see that "adequate anchor and line" are required equipment for cat distance races, so I thought you folks would be the ones to ask about this. Thanks for the help!

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#149426 - 07/15/08 11:22 AM Re: Adequate Anchor Type & Size for F18? [Re: Cataholic]  
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I see that "adequate anchor and line" are required equipment for cat distance races


What race rules are you reading?

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#149427 - 07/16/08 07:05 AM Re: Adequate Anchor Type & Size for F18? [Re: TeamChums]  
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Thanks for the reply. Race rules requiring anchor that I bookmarked:

http://www.catsailor.com/Steeplechase.html

I have seen similar elsewhere. However, in reply to the same post on the F18 forum by Mark Schneider:

An Anchor and rode were required for several distance races including the DTB and the C100.

The requirment was dropped because the size anchor that could be reasonably carried was not adequate to hold the boat off a lee shore. <end excerpt>

It appears that an anchor is advised, but not required, for the "Around Prince Edward County Long Distance Multihull Regatta", on the Canadian side of the Great Lakes.

From what I've heard so far, it sounds like an anchor might not have any practical value, but I'm still gathering info.

#149428 - 07/20/08 04:55 PM Re: Adequate Anchor Type & Size for F18? [Re: Cataholic]  
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I don't think I would do a race that required an anchor to be carried on a beachcat. It really isn't practical. I have run a folding anchor on my H21se out at Santa Cruze Island and it held pretty good on a rocky bottom but I don't know about any other types. I would concentrate on other safety gear long before thinking of carrying an anchor.

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#149429 - 07/21/08 08:41 PM Re: Adequate Anchor Type & Size for F18? [Re: Cataholic]  
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Well I would disagree that it's impractical to carry an anchor on a cat. I carry one onboard almost always.

I have a fortress #7. They also make Guardian which are a little cheaper but work just as well. Guardian also has a #5 which is a little smaller. These anchors can be taken apart somewhat to make packing easier.

Lastly I've won a race because I was able to anchor and hold my spot while the current sucked everyone else back into a pass.


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#149430 - 07/22/08 07:04 PM Re: Adequate Anchor Type & Size for F18? [Re: TeamChums]  
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The SI's for Steeplechase are posted on this site. An anchor and line are required on board for that race. I purchased a small folding anchor that I belive is for PWC's from a Marine store. Never had to use it, but it's small and fits in the inspection port.


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#149431 - 08/11/08 10:15 AM Re: Adequate Anchor Type & Size for F18? [Re: ksurfer2]  
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Are there penalties for not having one? I completed 4 Steeplechases without one onboard. Must have missed that memo... oops.


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#149432 - 08/17/08 08:29 AM Re: Adequate Anchor Type & Size for F18? [Re: Cataholic]  
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From what I've heard so far, it sounds like an anchor might not have any practical value, but I'm still gathering info.

Here are two practical values:
1. If you are sailing on open water with an offshore wind and you are dismasted, you can anchor to hold your position until a rescue boat (like TowboatUS or Seatow or the Coast Guard or a good samaritan)can get to you.

2. If a crew member goes overboard and the remaining crew member is not able to return to rescue the overboard person OR if the boat then capsizes and one person cannot right it, an anchor could help keep the boat from drifting rapidly away from the person separated from the boat. That would give the separated person a chance of being able to swim back to the boat.

NOTE: An anchor will be of no value whatsoever unless it has enough line to reach the bottom. The waters on both sides of the Florida Keys, in the range the boats usually sail, are shallow enough to make an anchor feasible. On the outside of the Keys, you for sure don't want to get blown out into the Gulf Stream. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

If you are going to be in water too deep for an anchor, you should carry a sea anchor of some kind to at least slow down your drift if you are dismasted or capsized.

#149433 - 09/05/08 08:04 AM Re: Adequate Anchor Type & Size for F18? [Re: Mary]  
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I forgot what the 'acceptable' scope is...

Seven times water depth?

Or does it depend on the type of anchor (fluke, mushroom, etc)?


Jay

#158951 - 11/01/08 08:06 PM Re: Adequate Anchor Type & Size for F18? [Re: waterbug_wpb]  
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Chapmans ( http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloting-Seamanship-Elbert-Maloney/dp/1588160890 )has all the answers to all your anchoring questions and lots more - highly recommended - So are the courses offered by the United States Power Squadrons.

When I sailed a Tornado (US 79 in the 70's) on Long Island Sound and Great South Bay (LI,NY) I carried a small collapsible anchor and a lot of parachute cord as a rode. I had mine wrapped in a towel, resting in the bilge with a lanyard fastened to the inspection port. Before things get dicey pull the anchor out of the hull and get it ready (less than 5 sec to deploy and the bitter end of the rode securely tied off) and 'stowed' at-the-ready in your tramp pocket.

IIRC I had something similiar to Item # : 001356 found at http://www.defender.com/category.jsp?path=-1|10391|33872&id=33857

Hope this helps.


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