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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: ThunderMuffin] #153898
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Yes, I spot 'Naner boards' to add insult to injury...

Well, you can be sure that they will NEVER try to lift the lee hull out of the water, because that could be "Hydrofoiling", probably already declared illegal in the AC Challenge. OOoop? Nobody thought of that before because AC sailors never read this humble Catsailor Website?

Hooray for Larry! Another LAWSUIT!


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: ] #153899
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It is impressive to fly 2 hulls without hydrofoils


Fair number of tri's were doing this 10+ years ago.

I'm thinking of the "Apricot" series of Tri's and "Biscuits" series as being prime examples.


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: scooby_simon] #153900
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Look at where Couts is standing to steer. Now look at where the traveler is. Now think about what's going to happen in a gybe. Russel had better move quickly or he might be cut in half! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

And how long is it going to take him to -run- from one wheel to the other during a tack, and who is steering while he makes the transition? Or is he on a teather, and he just jumps off the back and swings over to the other side? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: Timbo] #153901
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not that much travel in a gybe with the spin up. looks to me like the logic choice is to hand of the wind ward wheel go lee and have the gybe controlled from the lee to windward side .


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: Timbo] #153902
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Look at where Couts is standing to steer. Now look at where the traveler is. Now think about what's going to happen in a gybe. Russel had better move quickly or he might be cut in half! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

And how long is it going to take him to -run- from one wheel to the other during a tack, and who is steering while he makes the transition? Or is he on a teather, and he just jumps off the back and swings over to the other side? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


The steering station is actually off the rear beam well clear and aft of the traveler. I don't completely understand why it's where it is but getting to the other steering station looks to be a rediculously arduous task. I suspect that they may intend to have two helmsmen and they trade off in tacks and gybes while the other meanders into some position on the high side. Transitioning one helmsmen between stations on a boat that wide would leave a long time where the helm is not being managed well - no matter where the stations are located...from this perspective it makes sense to have two helmsmen. Maybe that's it?


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: Timbo] #153903
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Look at where Couts is standing to steer.
The one steering is Cammas, not Couts. At least they have the good idea to give the helm to somebody who knows how to steer a multihull. This should avoid repeat performance of the disasters they had with extreme 40 and Orma 60...

Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: pepin] #153904
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Look at the hull shape...flat bottom and hard chines...the only way to get planing is with hard chines...as any power boater knows.

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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: Jake] #153905
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it's 160 feet.

158 I believe.


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: Timbo] #153906
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Cammas is on the helm, but I believe Spithill is to helm as well.


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: warbird] #153907
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Too much rig.
It will be reefed all of the time in AC sailing window.


Looking at the latest pic's I would say they seem to have it figured out fairly well.


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: catman] #153908
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Anyone got full stats for it.

I'm guessing luff of the mainsail is around 155feet, anyone know area? Ditto Jib and Kite.

LOA is 143 feet?

Weight?



yes, I am thinking of trying to calc an SCHRS for it ..... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: catman] #153909
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I thought the LOA was only supposed to be 90 feet, and 90 feet wide.

It does look a bit different with the flat bottom hulls. Who designed it? And what about Alinghy? When is theirs going in the water?

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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: Timbo] #153910
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It does look a bit different with the flat bottom hulls. Who designed it? And what about Alinghy? When is theirs going in the water?


According to the Front Page of SA, early next year.

Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: scooby_simon] #153911
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Anyone got full stats for it.

I'm guessing luff of the mainsail is around 155feet, anyone know area? Ditto Jib and Kite.

LOA is 143 feet?

Weight?



yes, I am thinking of trying to calc an SCHRS for it ..... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Alinghi sure wants the stats! (seems they are not too confident that appeal will be upheld)...all of that information is not yet public. The deed says something like "as soon as possible" for the boat certificate to be delivered to the defender...it says something similar for the defender to do the same for the location the event is to be held - a feat which Alinghi has not yet performed either.


Alinghi Letter to GGYC Aug 22


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: Jake] #153912
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LOL!!!! thats awesome!

Let me Paraphrase.... We want your stats! But you wont give them... even though your protest is baseless... and you dont deserve to race... waaaaaa

Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: ] #153913
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5oo sq meters for the main


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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: F-18 5150] #153914
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[Linked Image]

I was curious after reading here so: I put the picture into my CAD package and scaled it to 90ft for the hulls. I had to put a white box in the picture to show where the back of the closest hull was. I do not know if the 90 is exactly accurate. You can see the scale on the bottom of the picture. Then I drew an area around the sail including the mast. I came up with 4004 Sq Ft. If that is accurate then in meters it is about 375 Sq Meters.

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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: Dan_Delave] #153915
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[Linked Image]

In musing over it I realized that the height of the sail is almost the same as the width of the football field (160 ft.). The bottom of the sail is 37.5 feet. So if you could take the play the length of the boom you would have a first down.

With the jib and the spinnaker flying you would have about 1/4 the area of the grid of a whole football field. That's a lot of cloth!

Later,
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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: windswept] #153916
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it's 160 feet.


158 I believe.


I think it is more like 157 feet, 5.76378 inches because that would equal 48 meters.

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Re: Let the Big Dog eat! [Re: hobiegary] #153917
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After leaving the dock at 11am, the team first hoisted the 5,000 square foot (500 meters square) mainsail up the 158-foot (48-meter) carbon fiber mast towering above the trimaran.


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