Forum Index |  Albums |  Classified Ads |  Catamarans For Sale |  Calendar |  Submit Events
Announcements
New Discussions
Adding a Jib to a Mossie
by Gary Fleming. 12/07/17 11:29 PM
F101 finally in production
by Jake. 12/05/17 06:49 PM
Tradewinds Regatta?
by samc99us. 12/05/17 04:30 PM
Easy way to really learn the Racing Rules
by Mike Fahle. 11/28/17 07:30 AM
Dynema trap lines diameter?
by mmadge. 11/25/17 08:10 AM
foiling chasing UFO
by northsea junkie. 11/23/17 03:12 AM
New Mystere 4.3 in Central Florida
by Mike Fahle. 11/22/17 04:46 PM
36th America's Cup
by waterbug_wpb. 11/21/17 12:10 PM
Fatality During Clipper Race
by Redtwin. 11/20/17 07:56 AM
--Advertisement--
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#179150 - 05/21/09 07:29 AM Specs on H16 spinnaker setup  
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,355
RickWhite Offline
RickWhite  Offline


Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,355
Key Largo, FL and Put-in-Bay, ...
What is the pole length?
From where do you sheet the spinnaker?
How high up above the hounds or below the masthead do you place the halyard turning block?

Appreciate the help,
Thanks,
Rick


Rick White
Catsailor Magazine & OnLineMarineStore.com
www.onlinemarinestore.com
-- Have You Seen This? --
#179163 - 05/21/09 08:11 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: RickWhite]  
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 60
ghhm43 Offline
journeyman
ghhm43  Offline
journeyman

Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 60
Oklahoma City
from the hobie webpage!

http://www.hobiecat.com/support/pdfs/40998010.pdf

hope this helps


Gordon

Macgregor 222
Nacra 5.5sl
E-Scow 1975 Hull #1
#179224 - 05/21/09 12:04 PM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: ghhm43]  
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,252
mmiller Offline
veteran
mmiller  Offline
veteran

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,252
California
Thats the older system...

The current spinnaker setup on the 16 comes from Hobie Europe and instructions are in the kit. I'll see if I can come up with an electronic version.


Hobie Cat Forums
Matt Miller
Hobie Cat Company
#179691 - 05/26/09 10:17 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: mmiller]  
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 60
ghhm43 Offline
journeyman
ghhm43  Offline
journeyman

Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 60
Oklahoma City
http://www.hobie-cat.net/download/part_guides/hc16.pdf

pages 31 & 32 refer to Hobie europe 16 spinnaker but they
do not provide dimensions. - Maybe Matt can supply those.


Gordon

Macgregor 222
Nacra 5.5sl
E-Scow 1975 Hull #1
#179788 - 05/26/09 05:46 PM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: ghhm43]  
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,252
mmiller Offline
veteran
mmiller  Offline
veteran

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,252
California
I don't have a pole to measure, so maybe someone else can supply that. The instructions simply refer to halyard tang placement on the mast. For a Comptip mast you use a H14 tang at 1375 mm above the shroud tang.


Hobie Cat Forums
Matt Miller
Hobie Cat Company
#180156 - 05/29/09 07:05 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: mmiller]  
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,355
RickWhite Offline
RickWhite  Offline


Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,355
Key Largo, FL and Put-in-Bay, ...
There is one at Miami YC already set up. Jamie Livingston is going to get the specs for me.
Thanks anyway,
Rick


Rick White
Catsailor Magazine & OnLineMarineStore.com
www.onlinemarinestore.com
#180527 - 06/01/09 07:06 PM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: RickWhite]  
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 59
Flip57 Offline
journeyman
Flip57  Offline
journeyman

Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 59
Dewey, AZ
The spinnaker pole that came with my 2009 Hobie 16 is 10'-7" from the pin that attaches below the mast step to the bow end. The hoop for the spinnaker snuffer is 43.5" from the bow end.

#181235 - 06/07/09 07:07 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: Flip57]  
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 61
davidtugwell Offline
journeyman
davidtugwell  Offline
journeyman

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 61
If you want a cheap exciting way to turbo your 16 try this. Use an old windsurfer mast for the pole. Make it 3.5 mt long. Get youreslf an old style F18 21 mt kite with luff length 8.5 meters. It will be very fast and easy to control. Use the holes for the front trap in the tramp to mount the spinny sheet ratchet blocks and then a pulley on the front beam to give friction on the ratchet. I use that configuration for years as a single hander. Faster than nearly every other boat downwind!


Stealth F16 The Black Pig
#192560 - 10/02/09 07:28 PM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: davidtugwell]  
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 10
bbateman Offline
stranger
bbateman  Offline
stranger

Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 10
So did you get your spinnaker set up? I am curious as to how the Hobie 16 handled with a spinnaker. Was it a handful or was it manageable? Was it fast?

I have seen lots of videos of H16s with spinnakers on youtube and I have to say it does look quite cool. I race in a small mixed fleet and most of the boats are rated much faster (H21SE, Dart 20, Tiger ). I was wondering if the spinnaker would help me keep up to the crowd. Or maybe it might slow me down given that it might be too much to handle especially when it gets windier.

#192624 - 10/05/09 04:51 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: davidtugwell]  
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 53
flying_dutchman Offline
journeyman
flying_dutchman  Offline
journeyman

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 53
The Netherlands, Europe
Tx for your reply. Sailing single handed myself also most of the time I wanted to add a spi to get some experience and for fun.
I've been warned for the handicap (we generally use the Texel rating overhere): hardly anything to gain... [if at all]
Do you have any pictures available? I'm rather curious !!!


Happy sailing from The Netherlands!

Eddie

Hobie 16 (1992) # 99173 & CT11 - with spi
#192714 - 10/06/09 02:30 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: flying_dutchman]  
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,203
TEAMVMG Offline
veteran
TEAMVMG  Offline
veteran

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,203
uk
as long as you use a long enough pole [3.2m] the spinny gives the bows loads of lift and the 16 can be driven hard under spinnaker and feels great.
The sad thing is that there are days when the stock 16 goes as fast [light winds]!
Turning block is 1350mm above hounds

Attached Files
9.8.5 002 (Small).jpg (5506 downloads)

Paul

teamvmg.weebly.com
#193191 - 10/11/09 12:12 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: flying_dutchman]  
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 61
davidtugwell Offline
journeyman
davidtugwell  Offline
journeyman

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 61
Sorry, I dont have any pics and now sail F16. My advice is just do it. I have used FX1, F16 F18 and H16 spinnies and found the best was the 21mt F18 kite with 8.5 mt luff. The best pole length was 3.5mts. It is easy to sail single handed and takes out the tendancy for the boat to pitchpole so you can push hard downwind, flying one hull all the way. I used a snuffer as well which makes life easy. The best thing you can do to a H16.


Stealth F16 The Black Pig
#193224 - 10/12/09 05:19 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: davidtugwell]  
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 53
flying_dutchman Offline
journeyman
flying_dutchman  Offline
journeyman

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 53
The Netherlands, Europe
Makes my enthousiastic anyway !!
However I got rather little spi experience (none on a H16) so I got some additional questions:

Mast rotation
Other cat sailors (Hobie & Nacra F18, Tornado a.o.) told me reduce mast rotation heavily and sheet in main sheet otherwise the mast won't survive. H16 has no controlled mast rotation - on the contrary. Sheeting in max will cause mast rotation to be max. Thus the mast will be in a rather weak position and most likely flex into S-shape....
I can think of ways to limit mast rotation but that will make my H16 not class legal anymore.

2 piece mast
My mast has a section and can be split for easy transportation. I can imagine this will make my mast even more vulnearable / fragile. Suitable for spi or special precautions required?

spi sail area
In addition to above: standard H16 spi seems to be approx 14 m2. The recommended F18 spi 21 m2. Former (why did they change to antoher cat ??) H16 sailors strongly recommended me to stick to 14 m2 max. Which is opposite your advice. Or should I (sailing alone..) limit myself to f.i. 3-4 Bft???

[Still eager to start spi sailing on my Hobie 16 !!]


Happy sailing from The Netherlands!

Eddie

Hobie 16 (1992) # 99173 & CT11 - with spi
#193231 - 10/12/09 06:13 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: flying_dutchman]  
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,203
TEAMVMG Offline
veteran
TEAMVMG  Offline
veteran

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,203
uk
H16 mast is built like a telgraph pole, even with a join! Just keep the traveller near center and the mainsail leech pretty straight [as the picture above] and mast behaves fine.


Paul

teamvmg.weebly.com
#193263 - 10/12/09 01:13 PM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: flying_dutchman]  
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 61
davidtugwell Offline
journeyman
davidtugwell  Offline
journeyman

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 61
TeamVMG is quite right. The mast on a 16 is very strong but ALWAYS keep plenty of mainsheet tension to act as a rear stay. Do you have any spinnakers available? I would just use whatever you can get your hands on. I found the 21mt kite as easy as any to use. It seemed to have the power to keep the boat steady whereas the smaller ones let the boat stop and start in the waves. Dont worry too much about it. Just get whatever is available and start having fun. Then decide later which one might suit best.


Stealth F16 The Black Pig
#219667 - 09/16/10 05:15 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: davidtugwell]  
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 53
flying_dutchman Offline
journeyman
flying_dutchman  Offline
journeyman

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 53
The Netherlands, Europe
Still been unable to obtain a used spi. In the meantime I saw a H16 which had - outside - re-inforcements on the nose tips. Another H16 user told me his cat was factory ready for use with spi and had re-inforced hulltips (inside). I own my H16 since 1992 and use it frequently and rather hard. Most likely my hulls are not prepaired. Should I do so and when yes what is proper procedure ?? The outside parts seems easiest way hope I can find them somewhere...


Happy sailing from The Netherlands!

Eddie

Hobie 16 (1992) # 99173 & CT11 - with spi
#219705 - 09/16/10 01:33 PM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: flying_dutchman]  
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,252
mmiller Offline
veteran
mmiller  Offline
veteran

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,252
California
That would be a Hobie Cat Europe deal. We do not do H16s with spinnakers standard in the US. Contact them for specifics. www.hobie-cat.com


Hobie Cat Forums
Matt Miller
Hobie Cat Company
#219903 - 09/20/10 04:08 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: flying_dutchman]  
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,203
TEAMVMG Offline
veteran
TEAMVMG  Offline
veteran

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,203
uk
we had a 16 that was about that age when I first saw the bow tangs starting to fail
I turned the boat upside down and filled the channel under the hull join/lip with glass/resin tapering out about 300mm back on each side. Ooops, some carbon may have fallen in there too.
If you do this, put a greased bolt or something throught the bow tang hole first so that the fibres go either either side of it. Then, when you put a longer bolt in the bow tangs, you don't drill through all the reinforcing that you just did.

I can't believe that you can't find a second hand spinny in the netherlands! we have got a decent one and a trashed one here if you like. make me an offer



Paul

teamvmg.weebly.com
#248963 - 05/29/12 02:37 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: RickWhite]  
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 53
flying_dutchman Offline
journeyman
flying_dutchman  Offline
journeyman

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 53
The Netherlands, Europe
Took some years but finally decided to mount European standard spi because of 2 reasons:
- fellow H16 sailor joined me so we modified 2 cats simultaneously so we can continue catsailing together - with equal gear !
- sailing alone mostly the 17 m2 might be easier to handle than suggested alternative (f18 spi = 21 m2)

Results: 4-5 Bft and 2 man crew just fun. Did enjoy H16 sailing but this is adding another dimension. However alone and unsteady (but light !) wind will require some more training.
Hope to be able to upload pictures sometime


Happy sailing from The Netherlands!

Eddie

Hobie 16 (1992) # 99173 & CT11 - with spi
#249126 - 06/04/12 05:14 AM Re: Specs on H16 spinnaker setup [Re: RickWhite]  
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 53
flying_dutchman Offline
journeyman
flying_dutchman  Offline
journeyman

Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 53
The Netherlands, Europe
Enclosed pics of both cats. Orange for my german friend - mine is white !
Also shown the reinforcement of the bow which seems really necessary for "older" Hobie 16 cats.
Only for information - picture does not show one of our cats.
Intend to make a footstrap at the end of the hull and add a line with hook to secure myself against flying forward when the hulls submerge. Which does not always end up in a pitch pole we/I found out...
And trying to find a way to clear the mess of lines on the trampoline...

Attached Files
H16 spi Coos 100 kb.jpg (1438 downloads)
H16 spi Eddie 100kb.jpg (701 downloads)
nose reinforcement.jpg (708 downloads)

Happy sailing from The Netherlands!

Eddie

Hobie 16 (1992) # 99173 & CT11 - with spi
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Damon Linkous 

Search

Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 17 guests, and 300 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
corrinezhan, pussycatcatman, Shotsailor, PointDume, Winsto
7724 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
Jake 6
Timbo 3
P.M. 2
Forum Statistics
Forums27
Topics22,268
Posts266,189
Members7,725
Most Online554
May 12th, 2017
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.014s Queries: 17 (0.003s) Memory: 0.9173 MB (Peak: 1.1718 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-12-13 18:52:16 UTC