Well, it's all here.

HCA said let's allow IWCA sails. HCC said OK, but not on the chartered boats. OA said, OK this is too much to manage, so no IWCA sails at all.

So, at the time HCC said no IWCA sails on the charter boats, IWCA would have been allowed on BYOB boats.

Not sure how it matters, am I still missing something?

Mike

We were going to use (adapt) IWCA rules for HavaMega (as we DID for MWE) and it was all good until the International Rules committee got wind and it got to be a stinkfest of redtaped BS so Gordo (at my suggestion) pulled the plug on it so that we didnt use up our 'Get out of Jail Free Card' on a Wave regatta that might have attracted 3-4 IWCA boats(as pre-registration indicated). We hope to find another time to play the card when there will be some serious support from the IWCA. THEN it would be worth the red tape (from my perspcetive)
Hope that clears it up a little.
Jack, see you in Mississippi, looking forward to getting my little girl out again and bumping heads with some Wave guys/girls.

Yeah, I knew there was more BS in the middle, wasn't trying to hang Gordo out there, just tried to give the Reader's Digest version.

I still want to know where Jack is digging, all of this has been discussed ad nauseum here...

Mike

That sounds great. I plan to make the event. I would use my stock sail if everyone else did, but my preference would be to have Waves of all colors invited. I still feel strongly that the stock boats should be given recognition and will push for that at IWCA events.

Gordo and I talked for a long time on this and we knew we'd create a huge shitstorm when we did this, but at least we feel we can make this arangment for an adoption of IWCA rules possibly at another date if it works into their schedule and we'd be able to pull some serious numbers. Gordo was not at all to blame, as I was the one yanking his chains on this. Jack is not digging, he's just making sure he knows the score.

Mike,

Why do you think I am "digging"?

You seem to be the one that won't let it go. I am simply asking a question for clarity.

No need to respond.

Believe me, I'm not hanging onto anything. I think I may have confused you with someone else, sorry about that. Since a lot of this info was already covered here, it seemed suspicious to have it brought up again. Seems whenever we provide info, especially on this topic, we get ripped apart by a hidden agenda.

Bygones...

Mike

Has anyone read this? Saving Sailing

Unless of course those youth happen to accidentally drag their boat into a powerline, then there might be some value in requiring the comptip.

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You might want to talk to Rob Whittington, who at the age of 6 lost his mother, a very experienced Hobie 16 crew, to a mast hitting a power line in a Texas parking lot. I think he might find some value in a Comptip.

How many serious numbers need to be pulled for Miss. next June??? to "TRY" and adaption to run the IWCA sails??? Patrick BlackCat Racing Hobie Wave #11 IWCA

I am hearing the sarcasm in your post, but I am also hearing you loud and clear.
I would think it would be easier to get our rules committee to bend a bit if there were a substantial number of boats. What can you round up? BTW: I like that name BlackCat Racing. Pretty cool.

The main reason the internet will never replace face to face meetings. I am a bad speller, even worse writer , but not being sarcastic at all.
I am truely sorry to have missed Havemega and was planning on making it. If I remember right about 6 that I talked to were wanting to go. I personally would like to learn from Havemega and see if it could happen again. Not sure of the proper regatta name, but Miss. in June is something I was hoping to go to and would if I could. Maybe another try from both sides and with any luck we could have a win win situation.
I like my Hobie Wave, I like my North sail and I love the competion the combination produces.
Thanks about the name. I like it also.

Patrick, Hobie Wave Racer.

Sorry, Would shoot for a goal of 8 to 10 boats.. Possibly a couple more for inexpensive charter (With aftermarket sails if someone wanted to see the difference?) Whatever would work.

Chris, meet Patrick Green. One of the fastest guys alive on a Wave. Patrick, meet Chris Wessels, the Chair of the Hobie Class Association of North America. You guys have something in common that forms an excellent foundation for future discussion.

Now that Patrick has climbed on board, maybe we can get somewhere. It seems we are all dedicated cat sailors separated by a quirkey little Clorox bottle with a rag attached to it.

See ya next week Patrick.

My point exactly. The whole reason for the comptip is to provide an added SAFETY feature. Now we're going to say that it's ok to recind that safety requirement to YOUTH sailors? Hey, while we're at it, why not delete the lifejacket requirement for youth too since lifejackets are another added expense.

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Point well taken, that's not at all what I meant.

I don't have a problem with the comptip rule, and don't want to see anyone in MORE danger, but let's face it, Hobies are not the only beach cats, but are the only ones with comptips (oh yeah, before someone else brings it up, except for Tigers).

If the point is simply to lower the bar to get more Youths sailing, we may need to be creative.

I don't like the idea of spending money to upgrade old boats, if for no other reason than you're upgrading someone's personal property, and you may never see them again.

How's this for an idea: Create a pool of Youth boats within each Division, get some double-stack trailers and have fleet commodores, youth leaders, etc. bring them to the regattas with their boats. Any youth that we can get to the water will then have a boat to use.

Mike

Hi Patrick! I am a HUGE fan of yours and enjoy reading about the regular beatdown you throw on all the other Wave guys.
Lets see if I can survive this F18 issue tonight then I'll figure out a new way to piss off the other half of the sailing world.