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#208618 - 04/16/10 08:25 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: wildtsail]  
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Originally Posted by wildtsail
When sailing downwind with your spinnaker and your bow stuffs hard, like up to crossbeam, presuming your crew is locked in on the wire... what should be done with the spinnaker... should it be blown to reduce momentum? OR held tight to hopefully lift the bows? OR is it too late to do anything and just cross your fingers?
We've tried the first two and found about the same success rate but i'm leaning towards the idea of staying trimmed in... any other methods? How about trimming the spinnaker in to reduce flow but still keep generating lift?


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#208626 - 04/16/10 08:39 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: David Ingram]  
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Well we rolled your butt at Steeplechase while stuffing very frequently.
I have to agree with Karl that easing the traveler would make it worse.

#208629 - 04/16/10 08:46 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: wildtsail]  
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Originally Posted by wildtsail

I have to agree with Karl that easing the traveler would make it worse.

On an N20, you'd be wrong.


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#208632 - 04/16/10 08:49 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever]  
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Ding will you please go back to spanking the punk's butt so we don't have to listen to him. Quit cutting the Jr. team slack.


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#208634 - 04/16/10 08:56 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: wildtsail]  
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Originally Posted by wildtsail
Well we rolled your butt at Steeplechase while stuffing very frequently.


Oh the shame of it all getting rolled by the Todd's on the same day how will I get on with my life. Refresh my memory, where did you guys end up that weekend? And don't be a little bitch and whine about the redress.


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#208636 - 04/16/10 08:58 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: David Ingram]  
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I told you all ready, I don't pick on you anymore and I'm truly offended that you lump me into the same category as "The Punk". It's not my fault his mom named him after me, then he fell horribly short of that benchmark. I think I deserve an apology from you and his parents.


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#208637 - 04/16/10 09:09 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: Timbo]  
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that boat was going over no matter what. when someone is in front of the forestay the game is over and if you are the one still at the back of the boat pick your exit strategy.
Unless clipped into a chicken line I would think it would be pretty impossible to trim in the spin when you stuff it because all your effort is in not flying forward when the boat slows down so much and by trimming the spin in you will be pulling yourself further forward.
Timbo- on a blade when you stuff you are toast- especially if you are solo and can't drop the trav- very unlikely to come back from that. The N20 is more forgiving and when you stuff you can save it especially if you've got a fat bastard at the back of the boat.

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#208640 - 04/16/10 09:11 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: PTP]  
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you can save it especially if you've got a fat bastard at the back of the boat.


Really dude. I read these forums you know.

You can refer to me by name at least laugh

#208641 - 04/16/10 09:12 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: PTP]  
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We've stiffed the F18, so hard that I flew around the forestay, landed on the leeward hull, unclipped from the trap, scooted across the tramp, re-clipped in, sheeted in, and kept going...

#208643 - 04/16/10 09:14 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: mikekrantz]  
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
We've stiffed the F18, so hard that I flew around the forestay, landed on the leeward hull, unclipped from the trap, scooted across the tramp, re-clipped in, sheeted in, and kept going...

now, that is impressive... however, one would think, even still, that that was much more luck than skill smile

#208645 - 04/16/10 09:14 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: ThunderMuffin]  
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you can save it especially if you've got a fat bastard at the back of the boat.


Really dude. I read these forums you know.

You can refer to me by name at least laugh



well, now, what if I have my very OWN fat bastard!

#208646 - 04/16/10 09:15 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: PTP]  
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He prolly borrowed Jake's cape. smirk


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#208647 - 04/16/10 09:15 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: PTP]  
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Originally Posted by PTP
Originally Posted by mikekrantz
We've stiffed the F18, so hard that I flew around the forestay, landed on the leeward hull, unclipped from the trap, scooted across the tramp, re-clipped in, sheeted in, and kept going...

now, that is impressive... however, one would think, even still, that that was much more luck than skill smile


I donno man

Have you seen Mike's moustasche?

Thats skill embodiment right there.

#208649 - 04/16/10 09:17 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: mikekrantz]  
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Originally Posted by mikekrantz
We've stiffed the F18, so hard that I flew around the forestay, landed on the leeward hull, unclipped from the trap, scooted across the tramp, re-clipped in, sheeted in, and kept going...

Chris Ford did that on my P-19, acted as if it was S.O.P. and kept on trimming. He's the man.Your alright too, Mike.


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#208651 - 04/16/10 09:18 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: PTP]  
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Originally Posted by PTP
Originally Posted by Undecided
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you can save it especially if you've got a fat bastard at the back of the boat.


Really dude. I read these forums you know.

You can refer to me by name at least laugh



well, now, what if I have my very OWN fat bastard!

And your's ACTUALLY Sails.


"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"

The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea
Isak Dinesen
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E. B. White
#208654 - 04/16/10 09:21 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever]  
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
I told you all ready, I don't pick on you anymore and I'm truly offended that you lump me into the same category as "The Punk". It's not my fault his mom named him after me, then he fell horribly short of that benchmark. I think I deserve an apology from you and his parents.


You know Todd when you're right you're right, I was out of line you are in a class all by yourself.


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#208655 - 04/16/10 09:24 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: David Ingram]  
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Thanks Ding, your a class act.


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E. B. White
#208657 - 04/16/10 09:26 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever]  
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I've gotta get a job. I just looked at my post count.


"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"

The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea
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E. B. White
#208661 - 04/16/10 09:36 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever]  
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever
I've gotta get a job. I just looked at my post count.

and we're still waiting for something insightfull. grin


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#208666 - 04/16/10 09:55 AM Re: What do you do when your bow stuffs? [Re: wildtsail]  
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Todd, I don't know how many times to tell you this, come back to the H16. Then you only have two options and your life will be much easier:

If your crew weight is under 400 lbs, you'll never stuff it to the crossbar, you'll be swimming before it ever goes that far.

If your crew weight is over 400 lbs, let everything out and hang on to the rear corner, you'll probably save it.

Mike

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