I'm excited for the AC34, but sad at the same time - because if its a bust its just going to vindicate these nay-sayers.
I don't think a competition between 72ft winged cats designed to a tight box rule under mutual consent can bust. This AC scheme seems to be professionally designed to yield a profitable show and that can't be done without interesting races.
If they were smart enough to switch to multihulls against the wishes of the majority of the sailing community, they should be smart enough to make money - and that is first requirement to get to the AC.
I think they recognized that the last format had run it's course and was struggling for new ideas to increase the publicity and fame. I think for every sailor that is turned off (or at least says they are) there will be at least 10 more people tuned in. Even those that say they're turned off can't deny the incredible collection of technological sailing craft that we are about to see.
Hopefully this thing will happen in San Fran...I'll be there for sure.
Jake Kohl
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Re: CONFIRMED AMERICA'S CUP 72 (AND 45!!) WINGED CATS
[Re: Jake]
#219618 09/15/1011:23 AM09/15/1011:23 AM
US SAILING to Draft Multihull Rule for 34th America’s Cup Competition details for the 34th America’s Cup were announced during Monday’s press conference in Valencia, Spain. The extremely fast AC72 wingsail America’s Cup catamaran has been tagged as the chosen boat for the 2013 race. US SAILING, in partnership with Morrelli & Melvin Design & Engineering, is the neutral party responsible for managing the development of the multihull rule. Learn more about how and why US SAILING became involved with this process from US SAILING's Offshore Director Dan Nowlan. Watch Part 2 of this interview with Dan Nowlan.
Richard Vilvens Brand Ambassador PSA Capricorn USA R.Vilvens@yahoo.com Fairfield, Ca F-18 5150
This is precisely the kind of perception I'm talking about. I thought we had beat it out of people - but I guess not.
From SA AC forum:
Quote
So the America's Cup is dead as far as history goes. It has been converted to " The Big Little AC " and all the SA's on Hobie Cats are thrilled as they now feel they are at the top of the heap. Well it is a heap alright. A heap of dung with no provenance whatsoever. Queen Victoria would say, not who is second, but rather, what kind of crap is that pretending to be an ocean racing boat? Where is the accommodation? Where are the big waves? Why can't multi hull guys just go get their own Cup ie create a new one, and leave history alone. The Cup died with the last multi series. It should have been banned from the get go, but the NYYC went limpus dickus and let it be taken away without a whimper. Enjoy drag racing you multi freaks. Enjoy interminable delays because there is wind and waves. Enjoy a joke which will not attract the public. At least in mono's the public could pretend race and enjoy a cottage life with their kids. Multis on the beach are for kids and fun but they are not multi use boats for families. At least in golf you can play the same courses as the pro's. No longer in sailing. Why can't these multitards not realize there is more to sailing than just flat out speed. After the next cup it will be in hydropters (sic?) and then Russian surface airplanes that glide 2 feet off the water. And then why not helicopters that can land on water? Where will it end? Hopefully NYYC will come out with a " continuation" cup for those with education and an historical memory.
Give it a rest Tad the same uninformed bigotry towards monohulls is rampent right here on this forum, and you my friend are often leading that charge. Reposting an opinion that is probably the ignorant minority does nothing but further the "us against them" mentality. Seriously what was your purpose behind this repost?
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Re: CONFIRMED AMERICA'S CUP 72 (AND 45!!) WINGED CATS
[Re: David Ingram]
#219652 09/15/1008:23 PM09/15/1008:23 PM
I'm so biased against those monohulls, which is why I sailed on one for 3 summers straight every wednesday night.
My purpose was to show people what kind of mentality exists out there - stacked against multihulls for no good reason other than the fact that there's no keel.
I'm so biased against those monohulls, which is why I sailed on one for 3 summers straight every wednesday night.
My purpose was to show people what kind of mentality exists out there - stacked against multihulls for no good reason other than the fact that there's no keel.
I didn't know you actually sailed.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
Re: CONFIRMED AMERICA'S CUP 72 (AND 45!!) WINGED CATS
[Re: ThunderMuffin]
#219675 09/16/1009:26 AM09/16/1009:26 AM
This is precisely the kind of perception I'm talking about. I thought we had beat it out of people - but I guess not.
From SA AC forum:
Quote
So the America's Cup is dead as far as history goes. It has been converted to " The Big Little AC " and all the SA's on Hobie Cats are thrilled as they now feel they are at the top of the heap. Well it is a heap alright. A heap of dung with no provenance whatsoever. Queen Victoria would say, not who is second, but rather, what kind of crap is that pretending to be an ocean racing boat? Where is the accommodation? Where are the big waves? Why can't multi hull guys just go get their own Cup ie create a new one, and leave history alone. The Cup died with the last multi series. It should have been banned from the get go, but the NYYC went limpus dickus and let it be taken away without a whimper. Enjoy drag racing you multi freaks. Enjoy interminable delays because there is wind and waves. Enjoy a joke which will not attract the public. At least in mono's the public could pretend race and enjoy a cottage life with their kids. Multis on the beach are for kids and fun but they are not multi use boats for families. At least in golf you can play the same courses as the pro's. No longer in sailing. Why can't these multitards not realize there is more to sailing than just flat out speed. After the next cup it will be in hydropters (sic?) and then Russian surface airplanes that glide 2 feet off the water. And then why not helicopters that can land on water? Where will it end? Hopefully NYYC will come out with a " continuation" cup for those with education and an historical memory.
This poster on SA (probabledave) is trolling for a fight, largely to use against the MH community. This guy and his ilk, are looking to discredit our interest by branding us as ungentlemanly yachtsmen. The best we can do is take the high ground, not engage such Philistines as this, and recognize the irony that this same crowd sabotaged the Tornado in the Olympics, only to see the Elite yachtsman of the sailing world embrace the catamaran in the America's Cup.
This is precisely the kind of perception I'm talking about. I thought we had beat it out of people - but I guess not.
From SA AC forum:
Quote
So the America's Cup is dead as far as history goes. It has been converted to " The Big Little AC " and all the SA's on Hobie Cats are thrilled as they now feel they are at the top of the heap. Well it is a heap alright. A heap of dung with no provenance whatsoever. Queen Victoria would say, not who is second, but rather, what kind of crap is that pretending to be an ocean racing boat? Where is the accommodation? Where are the big waves? Why can't multi hull guys just go get their own Cup ie create a new one, and leave history alone. The Cup died with the last multi series. It should have been banned from the get go, but the NYYC went limpus dickus and let it be taken away without a whimper. Enjoy drag racing you multi freaks. Enjoy interminable delays because there is wind and waves. Enjoy a joke which will not attract the public. At least in mono's the public could pretend race and enjoy a cottage life with their kids. Multis on the beach are for kids and fun but they are not multi use boats for families. At least in golf you can play the same courses as the pro's. No longer in sailing. Why can't these multitards not realize there is more to sailing than just flat out speed. After the next cup it will be in hydropters (sic?) and then Russian surface airplanes that glide 2 feet off the water. And then why not helicopters that can land on water? Where will it end? Hopefully NYYC will come out with a " continuation" cup for those with education and an historical memory.
This poster on SA (probabledave) is trolling for a fight, largely to use against the MH community. This guy and his ilk, are looking to discredit our interest by branding us as ungentlemanly yachtsmen. The best we can do is take the high ground, not engage such Philistines as this, and recognize the irony that this same crowd sabotaged the Tornado in the Olympics, only to see the Elite yachtsman of the sailing world embrace the catamaran in the America's Cup.
Karma is a bitch...
FWIW, from an 'influential' member of the MH community regarding the baiting going on in SA:
"Pay no mind to DP who posted this, he is a power troll of the highest order. We had our entire YC forum shut down because of this guy and his antics. He is a litigation lawyer so he trolls for a living.
He also likes to get wound up about us sailing the C-cats past his gin palace at the club and garnering attention for our efforts. He knows perfectly well which buttons to press to get someone simmering and more.
He also has to suffer moths and hobie trifoilers blasting around ruining his view of the harbour, not to mention a huge herd of I-14's, all of which make him cry for the old "glory days" of our club fielding IOR Admirals Cup entrants etc. It's all a red rag to this bull.
Much of this vitriol is designed to bait me and Fredo into some low order flame war.
He is a bitter little man on all fronts, this is simply his latest line of "attack".
Ask him how many times he's left the dock this year in his lead sled. I think it's a rather low number for lack of friends to play with.
Now I shall stand by the door waiting for him to serve papers on me for slander... "
Don't play the game DP wants the MH community to play-better to let the lawyer steep in his vile juices than give him the satisfaction of sucking us into such a dubious an ungentlemanly game.
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