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Palm Harbor, FL | Is this asking what we think they *will* pick, or what we think they *should* pick? My answer will be different depending...
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Sebring, Florida. | I voted for what I thought they SHOULD pick, but Politics will decide what they actually pick.
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Annapolis, MD | What's your argument for why they should go with your choice?
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If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most.
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| I chose Viper but really prefer "any F16". It's more of a plebian approach! [CRINGE! HORRORS!]
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South Carolina | I'm really not displaying any brand loyalty, but I like the idea of something like the Nacra 17. It is separate enough that it risks minimal impact on other classes, but close enough in parameter that it will probably bring more competitors to the 16 and/or 18 foot classes. It can have it's own complete rule set and not affect any of the existing successes but I can see that teams will probably sail between two classes for training. I would just be a little concerned that having a subset class with different rules within F16 or F18 would create a real mess.
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Annapolis, MD | Why? Did you choose for no reason? You have sailed one and liked it? You hate all other boats? Are all of the boats acceptable to you?
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Annapolis, MD | I choose the Viper.
I agree with Jake that the Nacra 17 would be the best boat long term for all of the reasons he states.
But I think they are a day late and a dollar short. The boat is not tested and I find it hard to believe they could generate 50 bullet proof boats by the end of the summer...
The Viper is good enough sailing wise for a 4 year turn as an Olympic Boat, and AHPC probably has 100 boats or more around the world that could be acquired by a Mixed team relatively quickly to jump start the mixed multihull class and training. I think you can market the fantasy that the 16 footer would make a better Woman's boat then any other choice... so you would be feeding a woman's class with a Viper long term) (Viper because it can't be any heavier then a 470 to drag up the ramp) I don't think the ISAF will give a fig about the impact on an F16 class and it's impact.... They should but they won't.
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(If I were AHPC.... I would have a boat on the trailer with curved foils, tested and ready to rock and a dagger board replacement kit for any Viper in the field.)
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| I like the F16 concept, it offers very good performance for a small package, and is affordable. I'm opposed to prohibitively expensive equipment in the Olympics in general.
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Annapolis, MD | I like the F16 concept, it offers very good performance for a small package, and is affordable. No F16's in the pool... they have three SMOD classes Spitfire, Viper and NacraF16 that are close or measure in. Are you choosing the cheapest one?
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| "No F16s". That's what's wrong! As long as this is just innweb banter and neither IOC or ISAF is going to pay any attention, I'd choose a generic F16, any manufacturer or home build for that matter.
Lacking that I'd choose the Viper because, of the entrants, they've done the most for F16.
I like the F16. That's where I've spent my money and I enjoy sailing it; though I have to admit it's a lot of boat for one old man.
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Annapolis, MD | "No F16s". That's what's wrong! As long as this is just innweb banter and neither IOC or ISAF is going to pay any attention, I'd choose a generic F16, any manufacturer or home build for that matter.
Lacking that I'd choose the Viper because, of the entrants, they've done the most for F16.
I like the F16. That's where I've spent my money and I enjoy sailing it; though I have to admit it's a lot of boat for one old man. Ah.... excellent point! I suspect Hobie will make their years and years of support for the 16 and Tiger a major point of their pitch in the political back and forth. It's an important factor.
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| I choose the Viper.
I agree with Jake that the Nacra 17 would be the best boat long term for all of the reasons he states.
But I think they are a day late and a dollar short. The boat is not tested and I find it hard to believe they could generate 50 bullet proof boats by the end of the summer...
The Viper is good enough sailing wise for a 4 year turn as an Olympic Boat, and AHPC probably has 100 boats or more around the world that could be acquired by a Mixed team relatively quickly to jump start the mixed multihull class and training. I think you can market the fantasy that the 16 footer would make a better Woman's boat then any other choice... so you would be feeding a woman's class with a Viper long term) (Viper because it can't be any heavier then a 470 to drag up the ramp) I don't think the ISAF will give a fig about the impact on an F16 class and it's impact.... They should but they won't.
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(If I were AHPC.... I would have a boat on the trailer with curved foils, tested and ready to rock and a dagger board replacement kit for any Viper in the field.)
No problem for Nacra to manufacture and distribute 50+ Nacra 17's by the end of the summer. I don't expect there to be any issues given the proven expertise of the design team and the platform, foils, sails + mast manufacturers......Watch out for some exciting 'press' in the next week.... Nacra F16 is being raced in a competitive mixed cat fleet at the Thai Cat Regatta starting tomorrow against top Viper teams. See http://www.thaicatregatta.org/entry_list.html for list of entries....first races tomorrow.... | | | Re: Poll for olympic boat pick
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Annapolis, MD | Wow.... now that is called just in time delivery... good luck with your launch!
Will ISAF look at the availability of used boats (Vipers Spitfires H16's and Tigers) as essential to boot strapping a class? The 49ner example probably does not fit because mixed multihull is "supposed" to be a transition to men's and womans disciplines. So... US Sailing decided that this boat selection was a 4 year solution... will ISAF make the same call?
It will be interesting if ISAF notes availability of used boats in the final decision.
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