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Naples, FL | would they be using a gennaker and sailing in displacement mode in windspeeds that low?
How do the boats compare in displacement mode? Oh my God. Ken Read hacked your password... Mike I'm going to get fired for laughing so loud....
Jay
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Boston, Ma | No tactician is going to fix a boat that can't tack well enough to execute the tactics....
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On the Water | Tacking is the Achilles' heel for Oracle
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Sebring, Florida. | I thought after rounding mark 2 with a 12 second lead, Oracle should have tacked just a little sooner, to put themselves directly above ETNZ, or at least a little closer to them. At least they didn't do the 180 slam tack they did on Tuesday, when they went from about 40 knots to 6, while trying to do a complete 180 degree turn! Today they carried on a little too long before tacking back to cover.
Still, it might not have mattered in the end, it's obvious ETNZ is faster upwind and tacks better, so a 12 second lead at the bottom mark is not enough for Oracle to survive leg 3.
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Sebring, Florida. | I just don't understand the slow tacks....
Looking all but sealed up. Needed to win both races today... It's hard to tell from only seeing the boats on TV, but according to Gary Jobson, the Kiwi hulls are rounder, fuller, and floats higher, so it tacks faster. He said the Oracle boat is skinny (you see how much more often they dig their bows in) and it slows down more every time they tack.
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Sebring, Florida. | Anyone got a size L fork...?
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South Carolina | I just don't understand the slow tacks....
Looking all but sealed up. Needed to win both races today... It's hard to tell from only seeing the boats on TV, but according to Gary Jobson, the Kiwi hulls are rounder, fuller, and floats higher, so it tacks faster. He said the Oracle boat is skinny (you see how much more often they dig their bows in) and it slows down more every time they tack. Floats higher? hah. The self tacking jib has a good bit to do with it too. You can watch the oracle jib sheet out past an upwind setting and get reeled in as the boat gets moving. The NZ jib, on a self tacker, hits it's other side and stops and helps bring the bows down. According to Ken Read, we don't yet have these self tacking setups on modern boats. I also think NZ is doing something different with their daggerboards in the tacks. Oracle just gets a weird bow-down attitude when it is head to wind...it's strange. I've seen them submerge the bow on tacks and I can't figure out what's going on.
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Detroit, MI | According to Ken Read, we don't yet have these self tacking setups on modern boats. Except that they've been on Stars for what? 40 years? | | |
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