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Explain exactly Why I "Can't" go sailing once again ? #265645
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Explain exactly WHY I "Can't" go sailing once again ?

Because Lakes Mead and Mohave are CLOSED ; they both
belong to the US-Government, and there Closed as well !!!

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Originally Posted by Bille
Explain exactly WHY I "Can't" go sailing once again ?

Because Lakes Mead and Mohave are CLOSED ; they both
belong to the US-Government US -- THE UNITED STATES TAX PAYER, and there Closed as well !!!

Bille


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Re: Explain exactly Why I "Can't" go sailing once again ? [Re: Bille] #265657
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“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

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What is sad about the whole proposition is that many of these parks are self reliant, that is they could operate on the fees they bring in from entry, camping permits and the concession leases..

There was a talk about Yosemite this week on the local NPR radio station and how much the privately owned company that leases and runs the concessions, hotels, etc... could easily fund the federal potion of the park's operating budget (rangers, maintenance etc...) and still operate in the black..




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Re: Explain exactly Why I "Can't" go sailing once again ? [Re: Bille] #265660
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Maybe its time to re-read "On the duty of Civil disobedience"... (I'm not a US citizen, but I sympathize).
It appears like there's a difference between 'belonging to the people' and belonging to the government. Its painfully obvious with the shutdown affecting peoples 'inalienable' rights which were once supposed to be held self evident...

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Originally Posted by DennisMe
Maybe its time to re-read "On the duty of Civil disobedience"... (I'm not a US citizen, but I sympathize).
It appears like there's a difference between 'belonging to the people' and belonging to the government. Its painfully obvious with the shutdown affecting peoples 'inalienable' rights which were once supposed to be held self evident...


Well thats already been happening.

They tried to lock an outdoor 24/7 public WW2 memorial in D.C. when a bunch of "Freedom Flight" WW2 vets came to visit it. They put up these flimsy barricades (which are now wired together apparently) but the Vets just pushed them aside and walked right in. Nobody is going to take the political bullet of arresting a bunch of the greatest generation for tresspassing on what is really their memorial.

Basically the executive branch of the government is ordering closed a bunch of public-facing federal entities in order to make our government "shutdown" look a lot worse than it really is. They tried to close down the Mount Vernon Park but then the PRIVATE owners of that land (co-owned by a foundation and the feds) told them to get stuffed and took the barricades down to the parking lot. They also tried to shut down a private lodge off of the skyline drive in Virginia.

Basically, the whole government is stupid.

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Originally Posted by Undecided
Originally Posted by DennisMe
Maybe its time to re-read "On the duty of Civil disobedience"... (I'm not a US citizen, but I sympathize).
It appears like there's a difference between 'belonging to the people' and belonging to the government. Its painfully obvious with the shutdown affecting peoples 'inalienable' rights which were once supposed to be held self evident...


Well thats already been happening.

They tried to lock an outdoor 24/7 public WW2 memorial in D.C. when a bunch of "Freedom Flight" WW2 vets came to visit it. They put up these flimsy barricades (which are now wired together apparently) but the Vets just pushed them aside and walked right in. Nobody is going to take the political bullet of arresting a bunch of the greatest generation for tresspassing on what is really their memorial.

Basically the executive branch of the government is ordering closed a bunch of public-facing federal entities in order to make our government "shutdown" look a lot worse than it really is. They tried to close down the Mount Vernon Park but then the PRIVATE owners of that land (co-owned by a foundation and the feds) told them to get stuffed and took the barricades down to the parking lot. They also tried to shut down a private lodge off of the skyline drive in Virginia.

Basically, the whole government is stupid.


No, We are Stupid. It represents us.....right?


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Re: Explain exactly Why I "Can't" go sailing once again ? [Re: Bille] #265663
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The issue with the WWII veterans was on the radio in the Netherlands. These guys bloody well liberated our little postage stamp country, its a crying shame that they are not getting the respect they deserve. They're welcome to stay at my place in the Netherlands any day. Soon the last of their generation will have passed on and we will have missed the unique opportunity of paying them the tribute they deserve. If it wasn't for them, the western hemisphere would have a Fuhrer today...

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Originally Posted by catman

No, We are Stupid. It represents us.....right?


I don't think you can claim that it represents us anymore. In any case, I don't see the shutdown as a bad thing. For 95% of the population, nobody is going to notice a damn thing. Maybe it will get people to realize just how bloated and inefficent the whole boondoggle is.

Here's something ripe. Want to go fishing during the shutdown? Sorry - the feds have close the Florida Bay. Yes. All of it.



Give me a ****ing break - the gal of the feds to think that they're so ****ing important to society that they have to close the Bay down to commercial traffic lest all hell break loose.... in reality thats not it... this is just more of the same "make it artificially hurt so that people put pressure on the opposition to cave on their constituents."

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Charter guides received a message from the National Park Service this week informing them that they are not permitted to take clients fishing in Florida Bay until the feds get back to work. That means that more than 1,100 square miles of prime fishing is off limits between the southern tip of the mainland to the Keys until further notice.

The closing affects not only fishing guides, but anyone with a license to conduct business in the park, including tour operators and paddling guides — anyone with a Commercial Use Authorization permit, said Dan Kimball, superintendent of Everglades and Dry Tortugas national parks.

Biscayne National Park is also off limits. Enforcement rangers will be on duty, Kimball said.

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Re: Explain exactly Why I "Can't" go sailing once again ? [Re: DennisMe] #265665
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Originally Posted by DennisMe
The issue with the WWII veterans was on the radio in the Netherlands. These guys bloody well liberated our little postage stamp country, its a crying shame that they are not getting the respect they deserve. They're welcome to stay at my place in the Netherlands any day. Soon the last of their generation will have passed on and we will have missed the unique opportunity of paying them the tribute they deserve. If it wasn't for them, the western hemisphere would have a Fuhrer today...


DennisMe,

Over here there are no more respected and honored than those who served, especially in WW2. My grandfather landed in Anzio, my other grandfather was a fighter pilot in the Pacific. My grandfather who was a grunt on the ground has some amazing stories. I've wanted to record his personal history for a long time now ... I think I might try and do it while I'm home for Waterfowl Festival this year.

Anyways - the fact that the memorial is "closed" in the first place is a sham. Its an open-air, free standing edifice that has no staff. The effort of closing it cost the government more money than if they just left it open. Its being used as a political football in the way that the stories above are. Its shameful and should be called out as such. After the vets "stormed the barricades" the government came back and wired shut the flimsy things so that they couldn't be pushed aside. I think they're very mistaken if they think that its going to keep those men out of their memorial.

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Bring it to PA.


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Re: Explain exactly Why I "Can't" go sailing once again ? [Re: ThunderMuffin] #265667
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Originally Posted by Undecided
Originally Posted by catman

No, We are Stupid. It represents us.....right?


I don't think you can claim that it represents us anymore. In any case, I don't see the shutdown as a bad thing. For 95% of the population, nobody is going to notice a damn thing. Maybe it will get people to realize just how bloated and inefficent the whole boondoggle is.

Here's something ripe. Want to go fishing during the shutdown? Sorry - the feds have close the Florida Bay. Yes. All of it.



Give me a ****ing break - the gal of the feds to think that they're so ****ing important to society that they have to close the Bay down to commercial traffic lest all hell break loose.... in reality thats not it... this is just more of the same "make it artificially hurt so that people put pressure on the opposition to cave on their constituents."

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Charter guides received a message from the National Park Service this week informing them that they are not permitted to take clients fishing in Florida Bay until the feds get back to work. That means that more than 1,100 square miles of prime fishing is off limits between the southern tip of the mainland to the Keys until further notice.

The closing affects not only fishing guides, but anyone with a license to conduct business in the park, including tour operators and paddling guides — anyone with a Commercial Use Authorization permit, said Dan Kimball, superintendent of Everglades and Dry Tortugas national parks.

Biscayne National Park is also off limits. Enforcement rangers will be on duty, Kimball said.


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They also closed the Oregon Inlet fishing center as well as all the beaches in the "park", here on the Outer Banks. the fishing center is leased by the captains, because of that it would seem ripe for a broken lease lawsuit. Of course that would be fought with our money, but maybe it would prevent some power hungry, control freak, douchebag from pulling this crap again. And don't kid yourself that the orders for all this stuff aren't coming from the Whitehouse, they are.


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How do you know the orders come from the White house?


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Biscayne National Park is also off limits. Enforcement rangers will be on duty, Kimball said.


stupid part about it all .......

the added costs of the fencing/added security/enforcement officers out-weighs the costs of normal running and incomes


crazy

I would suggest its more about the govt putting on a show than it is about the reality of the situation


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Biscayne National Park is also off limits. Enforcement rangers will be on duty, Kimball said.


stupid part about it all .......

the added costs of the fencing/added security/enforcement officers out-weighs the costs of normal running and incomes


crazy

I would suggest its more about the govt putting on a show than it is about the reality of the situation


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Bingo...on all accounts.


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Have any of you guys gotten your new health insurance bill. Mine went up 5,500 per year so now I have to pay 19,000 per year including deductible before the insurance company pays anything. I thought this new health care bill was supposed to help. After 52 years of having health insurance I am going to have to cancel my policy. It will be cheeper to just pay the fine and if I have a major problem buy insurance then. Thanks Obama voters.

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Your state obviously cares more about insurance companies than it does it's citizens.

But, duh, you could try going into the market place.

And you're welcome.


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Originally Posted by pgp
Your state obviously cares more about insurance companies than it does it's citizens.

But, duh, you could try going into the market place.

And you're welcome.


Pete,
You really should get your head out of yourass. All of you and your ilks stupidass, contentious comments don't address the fact that the general public is getting screwed by this and everyone was warned.The principles of it were wrong from the get go, unless your a socialist.Someone's gotta pay for all the freebies. When insurance companies are national conglomerates, the state makes no difference.David's state happened to opt out and he's still getting screwed, probably worse with king Hussein's vindictive attitude. Pete, Maybe you should attempt to suck start a 12 Ga. and see how well Obamacare really works.


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Health care costs were going up 8 to 10 0% a year for many years.... Before they blew up the economy, how to regulate Heath Care was the major issue in the election for both Ds and Rs.

Hospitals and the system pay for the uninsured ... One of the ACA's solutions was to expand Medicaid... If your state refuses to take the money... you get hit by a double wammy. Same number of uninsured that the system will have to pay for... AND they cut off the Fed medicaid uninsured payment that paid for it in the past. So... your insurance company raises the rates to pay for it. Tell your gov to take the medicare expansion... your rates will stabilize.

Prior to the ACA.... you pay the insurance company or go without. Now, you have four choices. Pay the company, or you can buy a high deductible policy on the federal insurance exchange for much less money ... or See if the comparable federal exchange group rate is better then your small group rate plan that you have now (same insurance company... different group plan) ... Or pay the fine.

The most dangerous thing you said was wait and see if i get sick... then buy something.. Huge mistake... just like your current insurance... they still have an open season... You have to enroll or change during open season. You can't wait till you need it... You will pay the fine... get treated and still owe the bills... Sure, the next open season will come up in a year and then let you purchase a plan, irrespective of your pre existing condition... but the past bills don't go away.


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Todd, you're a xenophobic redneck without an inkling of understanding of the modern world so I'll put you back on ignore since you're a waste of cyberspace.

My state requires insurance companies to register every policy they sell I would imagine all states have a similar procedure. Until these policies are approved they cannot be sold. Hence, the state itself is responsible. If you don't like those policies your first call should be to your state legislator.

Shop your insurance every year, every quarter would be better. If your insurance company threatens you in any way call your legislator!

The biggest problem we have with insurance is collusion, demand a real market and all this crap will go away.

Better yet, would be to abandon the nonsensical tax and banking system we have for a system based on Modern Monetary Theory and Pigovian taxes. The system we have in place is one of political favoritism without the vaguest thought to sound economic principle.

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