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#267119 - 11/20/13 05:46 AM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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Sunday I decided to make some much needed repairs and changes to the trailer

cradle for the front beam was first off the drawing board

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then came the rear beam's fold down cradle and mast support smile

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The rear carpeted 'loading pads' were also changed slightly.

Mostly finished now except for a coat of don't rust up on me just yet..
wink

And it was about knock-off time when I was cleaning up from the days construction the poop did happen
mad


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Kingy
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#267120 - 11/20/13 06:13 AM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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I had a ~2metre length of the 40x40 tube I'd used left over and as I went to put it away I wasn't watching what I was doing I did the stupid thing
1 stabbed rear deck tearing out a great chunk of the ply instantly, as I jerked it away I plunged it into the other rear deck which split right down the guts.
mad mad mad mad

after several minutes of expletives......

came several more minutes of colorfull mutterings

Tired / not focused / looking forward to the roast dinner I could smell all contributed but I have no-one to blame for this error except myself.

So with a full belly of yummy roasted beef I headed back to the shed to butts the damage, 10 mins later the rear decks were no more and I'd cut in some stringer slots in much the same manor I did Jurassic Karps rear decks

[Linked Image]

the 2 small stringers will give better support to the rear decks and offer the same to the inspection ports.
I've left ~3mm of clearance between the inspection port and the stringers, I had zero clearance on Jurassic Karp so lining up where the hole was to be cut had to be super accurate, didn't make that mistake again wink

[Linked Image]

As of last night the stringers have been glassed in and sanded back ready for some new ply decking.

I wasn't going to touch any of the decks until the off season and at this stage that's still the plan.
The front and main's will get a quick coat of paint just to seal them up, with new rear decks I wont be painting these bits as I want to have the entire deck area in varnish, so for the short term I'll have colored fore and main decks and varnished rear decks....

on the plus side......
Atleast I wont have to replace the rears come winter

smile


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Kingy
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#267153 - 11/20/13 04:44 PM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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Slap it together and come racing!! Haha
Like you said its the hack job.
Not like the other three mozzis
Are works of art haha


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#267191 - 11/21/13 02:23 PM Re: 1182 [Re: Al_scorpion1101]  
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Originally Posted by Al_scorpion1101
Not like the other three mozzis are works of art haha


yeah, but they FLOAT

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#267386 - 11/29/13 07:53 PM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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yeah I know.... been a tad slack of late, family / work and car club have all interfered with the time availability, how dare they !!!


rear decks are done and ready for varnish.....

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

smile

Stringer just visible inside the inspection port hole....

[Linked Image]


Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
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#267387 - 11/29/13 08:00 PM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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timber packer in the case slots has also been finished off, the decks are all sanded back and ready for a coat of white paint...

[Linked Image]

yep that's right, WHITE for the main and fore decks, They'll go in the off season and new decks will be varnished to match the rears
smile


Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
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#267388 - 11/29/13 08:06 PM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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I also finished off some more of the trailer mods I'd started, hold-down bolts are now all machined up and installed .... 1 main one holds the front beam at the mast step and 2 hold the rear beam down.
The 2 rears have been machined so that they have a small locating pin and these line up with the spare holes in the rear track..... this holds the boat dead rigid.

front mount:
[Linked Image]

rear mount in fabrication:
[Linked Image]





Yar, & this ere post be done without a sin'le drop o' rum passin' me lips

Kingy
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#267389 - 11/29/13 08:09 PM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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**** welds
wink

[Linked Image]
Further mods to the trailer will follow
wink


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Kingy
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#267390 - 11/29/13 08:17 PM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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The lights and numberplate will be fitted up later, and this was the easiest and quickest solution I could do....
As for legal.... meh smirk

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Kingy
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#267418 - 12/01/13 03:31 PM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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One week to go, looking forward to seeing it
On the water! smile
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#267558 - 12/08/13 04:21 AM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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With the car club stuff now out of the way until Febuary hopefully I wont loose another w/end....

oh yeah like that's going to happen mad

first up I get the flu, so last Saturday and Sunday are gone as the couch and bed are as far as I can be bothered to move between

So Monday seems like a good day to take off work and recover from the nasty virus that's tried to kill me during the previous 2 days.....

Monday is paint day.... time to refresh the green, its a nice warm 30degrees, the heater is on aswell kicking the shed's temp up to just under the 40C. perfect for a glass finish....
laugh

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and glass we get ....

[Linked Image]

looking good.....
cool


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Kingy
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#267559 - 12/08/13 04:32 AM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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Or so I thought .......

Tuesday morning pics... cry

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overnight the paint has reacted severly to something, patches like these are intermittently spread over each hull, some smaller than a thumb-nail while others are quite large.
Totally random as to the placement of each patch..


only one thing to do......

mad


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#267560 - 12/08/13 04:51 AM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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Wednesday night.....
Thursday night.....
Friday night..... are spent stripping off ALL the primer and top-coats

Saturday morning is spent sanding

Saturday arvo and the primer is applied

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This morning saw the primer sanded back and this afternoon saw the new coat of green applied.
Busy w/end tired

Pic's when I know its all good.

The culprit at this stage appears to be a contaminated cloth that I used to wipe down the hulls prior to the original green being applied.
I wont know for sure until tomorrow, I used new cloths from an un-opened packet this time and I did a test with a cloth from the pack I think is contaminated, hopefully the old car door will be as wrinkled as nanna and the boat will be smooth as silk....
waiting waiting waiting



and inbetween all of that, I managed to make more alterations to the trailer and its now also ready for a fresh coat of paint.
Mods included shifting the mudguards so that they sat parralle to the chassis instead of the 2" angle they sat at.
Several lugs and other old welds cut off and cleaned up flush.
The main supports from the main chassis to the carpeted supports were shifted further inboard to assist the new beam supports.

all up its looking much more like a trailer should and is far more user friendly.......

Trailer color..... green or white ?????
confused




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Kingy
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#267727 - 12/14/13 04:54 AM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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Originally Posted by PIRATE
Trailer color..... green or white ?????
confused


decision made...... found some white I didn't know I had so figured I'd use it up and save the green for another job....


trailer mods all done, sanded back and sprayed.... lights fitted so now its ready to go grin

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sail-box is on the drawing board.... being in the steel fabrication industry I think I'll do a nice color-bond job
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Kingy
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#267728 - 12/14/13 05:06 AM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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meanwhile........

Twice Shy has been sitting on Jurassic Karp's trailer smirk

I could get the boat onto the trailer by myself without any real dramas, problem became I couldn't turn it over without the soft paint being marked.......
So I took it to work and used the overhead crane to spin it over and then re-fit it to Jurassic's trailer...

Its now 6 days since the respray and today is the first day I've been happy enough to put it outside for the day.
We live in a forest so the bird life is heavy .... as is the poop they splatter everywhere, soft curing paint and birdy poop is not a good combination so its stayed in the shed until now.

out sunning for the day, this was taken just on sunset

[Linked Image]

nice finish... cool

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and no contamination [Linked Image]


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Kingy
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#267731 - 12/14/13 04:48 PM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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Looking good!
I'd be interested to know if you nailed the reason for the orange peel in random places. A while back we had the same issue when painting an Opti for my son. It only puckered up in a few places and was quite random. We figured the only thing was that there was a 'softer' or damper section of paint. It was only on the interior, and relatively easily fixed. Hopefully you'll be able to get it wet soon!


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#267741 - 12/15/13 05:19 AM Re: 1182 [Re: Hack]  
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No I haven't really nailed it down to a single thing.... possibly a combination of a few factors confused

1/
First up were the cloth wipes I use to clean off the dust etc when I prep-wash the primer. Prep-wash is used as a cleaner and removes any gums/glues/silicates etc that can contaminate paint, the cloth pack was left out of its cupboard for a few days so contamination may have occurred there.

2/
Heat may also of had an effect, after reading the directions I found it wasn't best to use in hot temps, specifically above 30dergee, it was 29 on the day and I did have the heater on as well so at a guess it would have been nearing 40degrees in the shed.
Also with this, I did shut down the heater in the cool of the evening, it was around 20degrees outside so perhaps the rapid temp drop had an effect....


3/
off chance this one but..... maybe I'd laid down the 2nd coat a tad heavy ??????
Usually I'll hang a light coat first and allow it time to tack off, just dry enough to touch really gently but not completely dry, pending on the day that tack off can be 15mins through to 2~3hours.
The 2nd coat I applied was hanging on well so I slowed the gun down a tad and laid it on a bit thicker.....


confused

Before I resprayed the boat I did a test on an old car door I have here as a test bench, half was wiped down with the cloths and the other half done with new cloths, I also cooked it at 40degrees and laid down the same style of coats......
I still got the peel effect, mostly on the bad cloth side but had some on the good cloth side as well..... shocked

So.....

combination I guess, contaminated cleaning cloths, way too hot for the paint.


I've eliminated the spray style as I used the same style on the respray that's come out perfectly on the boat.


The respray was also done on a much cooler day ~20degrees and without the heater being used at all.




On another note:
we had some steel work do the exact same thing, strangely enough it was sprayed by a co-worker on the same Monday I did the boat. The 310-UB beams had very similar patches of peel effect and again only in some areas, the boss put it down to the heat of the day and an extra thick coat of industrial paint & ...... someone that doesn't normally paint doing the job.
grin
So I wont rule out Monday as one of the possible causes either

laugh


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Kingy
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#267742 - 12/15/13 05:46 AM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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Today I decided I didn't like the white decks, just wasn't going to work with the final "look" I'm after....
I have already fitted new rear decks so I wanted to paint them in the style I want as a finished product when all the decks are replaced .....

so.....

The green decks are now finished
grin

[Linked Image]


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Kingy
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#267743 - 12/15/13 05:49 AM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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the rear deck...... just needs a coat of clear now and its done

I'll follow the same style on the main and forward decks when they are replaced......
smile

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Kingy
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#267753 - 12/15/13 09:19 PM Re: 1182 [Re: Pirate]  
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The orange peel affect, is caused by applying too thick off the gun, to get auto finish thinner coats and more of it, what I saw in the pics is called fish eyed, means contamination on the cloths or on the work, usally siliconis the main cause and oil. other reasons undercoat not cured properly. Orange peel affect is on almost everything that is industral, as its a good strong coat and will last for years, auto finish is good bht need to be upkept

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