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#287962 - 10/05/17 11:14 AM Re: 36th America's Cup [Re: Tony_F18]  
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So New York Yacht Club just threw down the gauntlet. Terry Hutchinson as CEO/Skipper, led (financially?) by John J. “Hap” Fauth and Doug DeVos of Grand Rapids, Michigan. DeVos is president of Amway and the brother-in-law of U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos

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#287964 - 10/05/17 01:29 PM Re: 36th America's Cup [Re: Tony_F18]  
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#287966 - 10/05/17 06:27 PM Re: 36th America's Cup [Re: Tony_F18]  
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I'm a little torn by this. Of course, I have to root for the home team (anything that would bring the Cup back to Newport would be awesome), but I highly doubt that NYYC would ever return to cats.

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#287970 - 10/06/17 05:10 AM Re: 36th America's Cup [Re: brucat]  
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Originally Posted by brucat
I'm a little torn by this. Of course, I have to root for the home team (anything that would bring the Cup back to Newport would be awesome), but I highly doubt that NYYC would ever return to cats.

Mike


I don't think there are many players in the America's Cup that would.


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#287972 - 10/06/17 08:14 PM Re: 36th America's Cup [Re: brucat]  
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“an island in the Pacific....
Originally Posted by brucat
I'm a little torn by this. Of course, I have to root for the home team (anything that would bring the Cup back to Newport would be awesome), but I highly doubt that NYYC would ever return to cats.

Mike

Larry and Dennis are the only ones who made the jump.


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#287973 - 10/06/17 09:48 PM Re: 36th America's Cup [Re: hobie1616]  
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I know. And of the two, only Larry made it stick.

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#287974 - 10/07/17 08:43 PM Re: 36th America's Cup [Re: brucat]  
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“an island in the Pacific....
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I know. And of the two, only Larry made it stick.

Mike

It'll be interesting to see what Larry does with the boats. The DOG tri is currently on display in front of Larry Land in San Carlos. The 72's and 45's are probably warehoused somewhere along the San Francisco waterfront.

If he installed electric hydraulic pumps he could make a killing selling rides on the bay out of Pier 39.


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#287975 - 10/08/17 07:57 PM Re: 36th America's Cup [Re: Tony_F18]  
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Larry won't be the first to let them wallow, if that's what he decides to do. My sense is that other than the 12 Meters still sailing in Newport, there are very few America's Cup yachts that ever see the water again, and fewer still that make museum status.

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Originally Posted by brucat
Larry won't be the first to let them wallow, if that's what he decides to do. My sense is that other than the 12 Meters still sailing in Newport, there are very few America's Cup yachts that ever see the water again, and fewer still that make museum status.

Mike


Or, they are just left in the nearest parking lot like Alinghi's AC33's Dogzilla cat.
Pretty unbelievable that they allowed them to just leave it there, I think the city even paid for it! laugh

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This would be a cool foiling monohull concept at 75ft:
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I really, really hope that's sarcasm, Tony...

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Originally Posted by hobie1616


If he installed electric hydraulic pumps he could make a killing selling rides on the bay out of Pier 39.


I would totally want a ride. Not sure how durable they are, but you're right. I'm sure there would be a handful of interested folk


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#287982 - 10/09/17 08:19 AM Re: 36th America's Cup [Re: Tony_F18]  
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
This would be a cool foiling monohull concept at 75ft:
[Linked Image]


I think it would be. Honestly, invert the main lifting elements and have them come out the side and you have something pretty close to the recent Vendee Globe boats. Except the Vendee Globe boats were intended to heal and then get lift but not fully foil. That pictured (old is new again!) concept leaves the boat more upright and provides a wider more stable foiling platform in comparison so it would probably course race a little better than a Vendee Globe boat. Conceptually, the hull could be more needle-like and the outer structure of the foils system could host some minor buoyancy detail that would help the boat remain upright when at a stand still....kinda like a monohull being a trimaran at exceptionally low speeds. More stable than a Moth (when not significantly moving) but with similar ingrained stability provided by the 'L'/(canted)'V' shapes that were derived in the catamaran America's Cups.

Honestly, I think we'll see the lines between monohull/multihull really blurred with the next development steps of foiling as the foils become more and more efficient. In 10 years, we'll probably look at boats classifications more as one of three classifications instead of two - monohull/multihull/foiler. Foiler designs right now are a lot of different boat classifications applying foils in more and more similar ways....they'll eventually converge into a single fast and stable layout, IMO, and become unified as one thing when the designs converge on a stable and operationally convenient configuration. The design task looks complicated because of all of the variations out there right now - but it's not. You need stability at low and high speeds while reducing the appendages in the water so your drag is low at high speed. A three point foiling system (Helllllooooo Hobie Trifoiler) makes sense here with a low speed "landing gear" to keep the boat stable when the foils can't do it.

You can also draw some really distinct parallels to aeronautical design in it's infancy...lots of really weird configurations before the bi-planes (catamarans) got it working and became the semi-standard for a short while. Other things flew but they were very complex. As wing shapes, drive system efficiency, and manufacturing technology matured, the biplane designs evolved into a single wing three lifting point configuration that became the universal standard in all but the most extreme cases.

So my bottom line, while we may get all emotional about multi-hull / monohull, in a short time, this foiling thing won't really be either one of them anymore (and I can have my a-cat class back).


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Artemis AC36 Protocol Statement

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“an island in the Pacific....
Originally Posted by brucat
Larry won't be the first to let them wallow, if that's what he decides to do. My sense is that other than the 12 Meters still sailing in Newport, there are very few America's Cup yachts that ever see the water again, and fewer still that make museum status.

Mike

I saw two AC boats in Cabo being used for tourist rides.

Dennis lost one of his two cats to bankruptcy. One ended up on a lake in Mexico.


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#287986 - 10/09/17 04:26 PM Re: 36th America's Cup [Re: P.M.]  
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[quote=P.M.]Artemis AC36 Protocol Statement

I would expect any seasoned America's Cup team to issue something similar whether or not they actually felt that way. The entire event is one massive negotiation and leverage has to be established anywhere you can. In other words, Artemis would like to participate but "lets make sure we have a seat at the boat rule design table by dangling our participation decision". Or, possibly, they don't trust the defender to not bend rules in their favor so they want to try and leverage a chance to see as much under the hood of the design rule as possible.

That said, I imagine there is a significant vein of sailors that do actually feel that way about keeping the America's Cup about high performance/high speed and on the real cutting edge of sailing. It seriously has had a gigantic affect on foiling sailboats in the last decade.



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What's thickening? Any event is good for the sport, I suppose, but how does this move anything forward?

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea, but it's not going to rival the America's Cup, and will be lucky to stand out from Match Race World Series, Formula 40 series, etc.

Larry tried with the ACWS, but Joe Sixpack still doesn't care about watching sailing. I don't see how this will change that simple fact.

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