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Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... #31280
03/12/04 04:39 PM
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Despite my plans of first building a set of hulls and going from there, it looks as though I'll be starting out in the F14 class with a modified H14 Turbo.

There is an abandoned H14T sitting near my boat on the beach. Other than my moving it around once in a while so it doesn't get buried by sand, it hasn't moved in at least 2 years (when I put my boat there), and probably more like 5. The mast is the comp-tip variety with the sailtrac missing from the fiberglass tip. Otherwise the boat is pretty complete.

I'm picking up an all-metal H14 mast, along with boom and mainsail for $150. Everything is in excellent condition. Some new standing and running rigging and this boat will hopefully be sailable. I'm not sure how well the hulls will hold up... they don't have any ports and the hull plugs are still in.

How important is it that the shrouds all come together at the same spot on the mast? I'd like to mount my huge G-Cat 5.7M jib on a pole and run it up a new forestay that would most likely go higher than the current one.


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Re: Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... [Re: Sycho15] #31281
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I examined the boat and cleaned everything up the other day. The hull plugs were out- guess I got them out last time- and only one hull had an appreciable amount of rain-water in it. The only thing I see wrong with this boat (besides missing the comp-tip sail-trac) is that the side-beams seem bent upwards. I put my weight on the trapeze wires and the opposite side-beam would flex considerably. I don't remember this happening on my H16. I believe they're the same section as the mast, and since I'll have an all-metal mast I could cut the current one down and use it for new beams, if necessary. Any comments or better ideas on how to fix this, or if it's even really a problem?

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Alternatively, would it be unwise to run a line from the base of the shrouds to an eyebolt that passes through a hole in the deck-lip? The load would be distributed to the deck-lip via a solid round aluminum rod with a hole drilled through it to accept the eye-bolt.


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Re: Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... [Re: Sycho15] #31282
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the eye bolt through the lip of the hull will work, and is probably a necessary insurance policy with the load the blaster will put on the side beams.....I plan on doing the same with my h14.....err F-14.........tr


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Re: Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... [Re: Sycho15] #31283
03/15/04 09:47 AM
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Bob and I both reinforced the side rails by adding the 16 style anchor pins. It is pretty easy and I agree that is is an insurance policy.

I have a broken H16 comptip, but the sail track is good in it. If you can pick it up at Hartwell, you can have it. Just remind me a few days before hand.

Also, if you need side rails or the anchor pins, let me know-I have a lot of thse, too.
Dan


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Re: Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... [Re: Dan Berger] #31284
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Thanks Dan, you're a life-saver. As stated above, I'm buying an all-metal mast to use on this boat, so I won't really need the sail-trac. However, if you want the mast that came with the boat (which only needs the sail-trac) you can have it.

I wasn't sure what you were talking about in regards to the H16 anchor pins, so I looked up an appropriate picture from the beach-cats: Hobie 16
I think I may just try to move the shroud anchor/adjuster straight to the deck lip as you mentioned. I probably wouldn't need to bother replacing the side-bars then.


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I didn't move the shroud attachment to the lip, I just reinforced it. If you move it down, you will have to get new shrouds and that will probably me a real pain to figure out the proper length--or you will have to add a bunch of chain plates to make up the difference.

Check out the attached picture--I don't have a picture of mine, but Bob sent me a picture of his set-up. Mine is practically the same thing...

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Re: Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... [Re: Sycho15] #31286
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I would be very concerned about placing the forestay farther up from the attachment point of the shrouds. This will give the mast a tendency to bend forward at the top and could wreak havoc on trying to maintain sail shape in rough water. With everything attached at the same point, the mast is free to bend with downhaul and mainsheet tension and the bending pivots on the tang where everything is attached. With the forestay higher, it will fight the bending effort.


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Re: Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... [Re: Dan Berger] #31287
03/19/04 08:51 PM
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Dan, thanks for the picture. That is exactly what I first thought of doing, only using an eye-bolt instead of a tang.

I ran the G-Cat 5.7M jib up the mast on the main halyard and walked it around front to see where things would need to attach... and found that my G-Cat jib is just as big as the H14 mainsail! I'd have to use it as a mast-head jib and raise all the shrounds accordingly

So the hunt is on for a stock H14 Turbo R/F jib... for as cheap as possible

Dan, what's the sail area of your hooter?


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Re: Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... [Re: Sycho15] #31288
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I don't know the area of the Hooter--I knew it when I bought it, but I just can't remember. It is the same as Bob's, so he might be able to tell you. I really just ordered it and had Sabre sails dictate the size. I have two of them now and I'm very pleased with both of them.

If you want a jib, I am putting an order in for new ones this week. I meant to do it last week, but I was pretty busy with work. The deal is that we can get brand new jibs for $225 each (plus shipping). I have 6 14s that I am planning on using for some kind of Thursday night series and I am converting them all to Turbos. Seems like people don't want to sail a boat unless it has a jib. If you want in on the group deal, let me know as soon as you can. Email me at [email]danberger@mindspring.com.[/email]

Also, on the boats with Hooters, I have to rig them as Turbos because they will be part of the turbo fleet. I'm not planning on racing them with jibs, though. I rigged them like little 18s so that the jib not only can be raised with a halyard, but can furl, too. To make this work, I am getting two of the new jibs made with zippered luffs. I have the other turbos rigged like little non-furling 16s, but the adjuster sticks out and would rip the hooter. That is why I went the furler route on the other two. Just another option..


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Re: Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... [Re: Dan Berger] #31289
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The H14T I picked up already has a furling system on it. The mast has an ungodly amount of rake to it compared with the standard H14 a couple yards down the beach.
Would you be racing the F14 class with both the r/f jib and r/f hooter rigged?
$225 is a great price for a new H14 jib, but I'm trying to find a used one for ~$100 or less. Mostly, I want the jib to balance the boat with all the mast-rake it has (even when adjusted to the top hole on the side-stays) so it doesn't even have to be furling.
I'll be selling this boat cheap (or giving it to a friend) when I build my F14, so I don't want to sink much $$$ into it.

I did the side-stay reinforcments today. I used bow shackles at the stay adjusters like in your picture, and 1/4"x3" stainless eye-bolts through 1/2" diameter aluminum rod about 6" long for the deck-lip mount. I tied it up with some extra length of dacron halyard line from my G-Cat parts can. It was a fun little project only requiring a hacksaw and portable drill and a couple hours on the beach as all the tourists kept asking me questions about the boat.


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Re: Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... [Re: Sycho15] #31290
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Used Hobie 14 jibs are pretty hard to find in any condition. They usually go for about $150 on eBay, but if you can find someone willing to sell it on a different forum, you might do better.

I don't plan on racing the boat with the jib and Hooter. Not only is it just too much to handle so the tramp is completely covered in line, but the jib supposedly doesn't help you. I took the pictures of the boats with the jib up just to see what all that sail area looked like. It's pretty nuts.


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Re: Looks like I'll be going the H14 route first... [Re: Sycho15] #31291
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Mast rake is good on a 14. It is my understanding that you want to get low profile blocks and have them block-to-clock when sheeted tight. If you look at the picture of my boat, I don't think I have enough rake!

I'm not going to race the boat with the jib, just the Hooter. I took the picture with all the sails on it just to see what it could look like. There just isn't enough room on that tramp for all those lines!


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