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Re: H16, Twixxy or Wave for beginner. [Re: T55] #40432
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Ok, since everyone else is putting in their 2 cents, I'll offer some of my opinions on boats I have sailed on or owned.
First off, I'm a member of a large cat club (150 boats), so I've been around and on a lot fo the boats mentioned in this thread.

First off, I currently own a hobie 16 and an inter 17. I hate the H16. IT si very true that for one design racing, it si a humongous class, other than that, I don't think too much of the boat. I will say though, that I know many many happy H16 skippers, and that's fine. At my club, used H16's are going for between $500 & $1000 (us). For this reason, it is usually most ppl's first catamaran. It's a picky boat. I think a lot of beginners get discouraged with it. It is definitely sailable in almost anything, but it requires a good amount of experience to do so.

I would not even consider a wave or getaway. Even for an absolute beginner. I have never sailed a bravo, nor do I really know anything about them, so I won't give any opinions.

I have yet to be on it or see it, but a club member recently purchased a dragoon. It sounds like a drastic improvement over the wave and getaway. The getaway sounded like an improvement over the wave, until I actually sailed on one...

Hobie 17 is a great boat. I wouldn't recommend it for primarily doublehanded sailing.

The hobie 18 would be a great boat. A good compromise, and there are a good number of relatively older and more inexpensive ones available.

The prindle line would be good for an older boat.

I think the absolutely ideal boat would be an inter 17 or FX-one, but they aren't cheap boats. I know that an Inter17 w/o spinnaker is about $9500 (in the states). I believe FX-ones w/o spinnaker are going for $9100 here. The reason these boats are great is that they are both designed to be sailed single handed or doublehanded which makes them very versatile. I have sailed my Inter 17 double handed and been almost able to keep up with the tigers... These are very responsive boats, and almost impossible to pitchpole. Doublehanded it should be relatively hard to capsize them, too.

A Tiger or Nacra F18 or Inter 18 or Tornado may be a bit much to handle, but if you want a bit more of a challenge, they are very fantastic boats.

I really can't comment on Mysteres or Taipans, we don't really have them here. I don't know the specific models, but from what I do know about them, both brands should have models that would be good for you. I believe these are mainly European brands.

The other thing is some of the other Nacra models, like a 5.0 or 5.5. Personally, I think the 5.0 is one of the most forgiving cats for a beginner to sail. If I were to start a cat sailing school for adults. I would buy a fleet of Nacra 5.0. Easy to handle, no daggerboards to worry about. Very safe and buoyant, and fast, fun boats. They're also built really solid.

Don't mean to offend anyone, this is all just based on my personal experiences, and everyone's will vary.

-Justin


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Re: H16, Twixxy or Wave for beginner. [Re: T55] #40433
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The windrider is an interesting idea...maybe not a bad choice either. The one thing I've heard about tris is that they have a tendency to pitchpole in large waves because the bows are very fine. Having never been on one or seen this happen, I can't confirm this. Hobie cat also has a trimaran, I think the windrider is a more popular tri, from what I've heard.

Also, I wouldn't worry about the local shop for parts. A lot of things are relatively standard. What isn't you can always order. I don't deal with the most local dealer to me (long story). The local dealer is 30 min away. Instead I bought my boat from a dealer about 5 hrs away. Whenever I need anything, I just send him an email, and it arrives in the post.

Also, regarding the 16, it si true there are a lot of ppl who passionately love the boat. But I think that for every person you find who passionately loves it, you'll fidn someone who passionately hates it.

-Justin

Re: H16, Twixxy or Wave for beginner. [Re: T55] #40434
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I have just been informed that when I recommended that he get a Dragon, some people might have thought I meant a Dragoon and was misspelling it.

But I definitely meant a Dragon, which is a beautiful monohull keelboat designed for the wind and the cold, rough waters of the North Sea. So it should be ideal for Finland.

Recommending the Dragon was my way of saying nobody would ever get me out on that cold water on a beach cat.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Re: H16, Twixxy or Wave for beginner. [Re: Mary] #40435
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Mary,
If you were referring to me, I didn't make that mistake. I don't think a dragon is a bad choice (along with many other monohull designs). As far as the Dragoon goes, I'm very enthusiastic to get behind the helm of it. It sounds like a good niche boat.

-Justin

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No, Justin, nothing to do with you. Rick just told me that a lot of people probably don't know what a Dragon is and they might have thought I meant Dragoon. I don't know anything about the Dragoon.

Re: H16, Twixxy or Wave for beginner. [Re: Mary] #40437
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Dragoon: I also know nothing. It sounds really hot as a beginner boat.
re: dragoon
sounds like a great boat...
won't really won't know til the spring, when I get to drive one...
There aren't very many of them is this country, though I get the impression it is doing well in Europe...
I have high hopes...
I really don't think the wave or getaway is the ticket, they are such cumbersome boats (an understatement)
that I wonder if important sailing principles can be understood on them...

Also, might I add, it is a fact (based on statements from multiple hobie dealers) that margins are higher on the plastic boats. This is of course from the dealers perspective, though based on what I know about the construction of boats, it is immesnsely cheaper to build a pvc type boat than a fiberglass boat. Plastic boats make up 80% of hobie cat's business (that is quoted from a hobie rep). Perhaps the reason they push these for beginners is $$ rather than honest guidance. I'm sorry, but all the plastic boats I've seen from hobie have been a f-ing joke. I think they are hurting the sport by pushing these...
Just my humble opinion...


-Justin

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I have to say I don't agree with the second part of this. If 4 out of 5 boats sold are plastic boats, you could interpret this as incremental sales i.e. boats being sold that would not otherwise have been sold, this can only be good for cat sailing.

Other than Mary, very few people have good things to say about the plastic boats, but they would appear to be an important part of the catsailing community. Plastic boats have transformed the kayak market, and could be quietly doing the same for sailling.

This forum is mainly about hightec boats that are sold in relatively small numbers, perhaps we are out of touch.

Re: H16, Twixxy or Wave for beginner. [Re: T55] #40439
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It`s amazing how we tend to stray from the original post - I invite everyone to read the original post again, and then answer objectively. There is little point suggesting a Nacra/Inter/Prindle/Taipan/Turbosquid catamaran, given that T55 asked a really simple question, and it gets repeated in the heading of the post EVERY TIME someone writes a response, but none of us are reading it.
A simple choice of 3 boats, given his specific needs.
None of them are the perfect boat for these needs, given, but which one will satisfy all his needs reasonably well??

-Wave : I`ve only seen photos of these, but they look tiny.
-Twixxy : Checked out the web-site & specs, also doesn`t look big enough.
-Hobie 16 : Also not quite big enough to handle 2 large guys with camping gear, but I`ll assume that he`d rather take his girlfriend camping than his 200lb friend (I could be wrong here !) in which case the H16 will cope, but not be as good as all the other boats you guys have recommended, which he can`t get hold of.

He has a choice between the above 3 boats, for me it`s clear as day that only one of them will be reasonably adequate. And with his needs in mind, unfortunately there is no beach-cat, or dinghy for that matter, that is large enough to do what he is asking, and be car-toppable at the same time, so you`re gonna need a trailer either way.
Since you`re looking at Hobie-made boats only, perhaps you should be asking this question on the Hobie Forum, where the Hobie-haters seldom lurk.

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Maybe we should also keep in mind that he is a total beginner, and that he is going to be sailing on icy-cold water and also that he is going to be cruising/exploring without the benefit of other boats around to help if he gets in trouble.

I don't think the Hobie 16 is a very easy or forgiving boat to learn on. Trial and error might be fun in the warm waters of south Florida, but could be dangerous up there where he is.

Again keeping in mind the three boats he has to choose from, the conditions in which he is sailing, and the use he has in mind for the boat, the logical choice is the Wave.

It will carry MUCH more weight than the Hobie 16, it has a bigger deck/trampoline seating area than the Hobie 16, it is much more stable than the Hobie 16, it is easier to learn to sail than the Hobie 16, it can handle more wind than any other beach cat, and it is much easier to right than the Hobie 16. (And, of course, the material itself is buoyant, so the boat can't sink.)

Another consideration is that he has a VERY short sailing season, so he needs a boat that he can sail as much as possible during his window of opportunity. The Wave can handle a far greater range of wind speeds than any other cat. And, as I already mentioned, he can add a jib and a roller-furling reacher if he wants to go faster in light air. But in that part of the world you need to be able to shorten sail quickly.

There is probably a reason why the monohulls like the Dragon, that are designed for conditions up there, are substantially undercanvassed. Even the Tornado catamaran is undercanvassed (relatively, compared to modern cats) because of the area where it was designed to sail, around the British Isles.

In other words, the Wave sounds like the perfect boat for arctic exploration (at least of the three he has to choose from).

Two big guys (about 200 pounds each) went beach-hopping a few years go on a Wave in Canada on Lake Ontario, a notoriously cold lake. It worked great because of the boat's buoyancy and load-carrying capacity. They made hatches in the hulls so they could carry most of their gear in the hulls, even including a camp stove.

I know, this all sounds too practical and logical and safe, while he is thinking speed and excitement. Well, a Wave in 25-30 knots of wind is as exciting as most cats are in 15 knots. And most of those other cats wouldn't even be out there in that much wind (unless they are -- or even IF they are -- in sight of people on shore and/or with other boats around).

No matter which of the three boats he chooses, he should make sure there is masthead flotation on it, again for safety reasons.

And, no, I don't sell Waves. It's just my take on his three options. I've never met a Twixxy, so if what I have said about the Wave relates to that boat, as well, that could be a good option. I would put the Hobie 16 last on the list I would recommend for this particular situation.

I almost forgot -- the Wave IS cartoppable, especially if you get the classic version rather than the club model. The classic is fast and easy to assemble and disassemble.

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Mary you have some sound advice there.
However I need to object on the "Arctic conditions", this is Finland/Scandinavia, not the north pole.-

We do have a short summer and fairly cold weather, but the water temps are around 18-20c during the summer and I won't instantly die if I get wet... Especially wearing a wetsuit.

Although there are no catamarans around, there's an active boatlife here that might rescue me in case of trouble
I actually live in a populated part of the world with real people on real boats

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Hi T55,

I guess we are all concerned for your safety and enjoyment. Since most of us who use these forums are experienced (or at least committed) cat sailors, when compared to the average cruising sailor we probably tend to have higher ambitions in terms of speed being the source of enjoyment. That will have coloured everyone's view to some extent.

You need to work out what YOU want and how that is likely to develop as you gain experience. Do you generally like to potter and enjoy life at a gentle pace drinking a few tinnies of beer as the scenery rolls by, or do you find that you want to keep pushing the limits of speed and control to achieve an adrenelin rush? What about the people you want to sail with?

I have sailed for 3+ years and my wife has never got near any of my cats. We were in Aruba (Caribbean) two weeks ago and I persuaded her to come out for a ride on a Nacra 6.0 (big, stable beach cat) - with two other people to weigh it down. When the swell reached 6 inches the bow came up about 2 inches... that was enough for her to request a return to shore! By contrast, I keep looking for the edge and capsizing more often than I should in order to find it. I enjoy nothing more than powering off the top of waves into troughs several feet deep, and having spray flying from the bows and landing many yards behind me. The question is - which camp do you fall in? Have you seen the Spitfire Video (see separate threads on BBs)? Does their behaviour thrill or apall you? There's been a whole debate on their pitchpoling and capsizing - and you'll see that some of us think it's fun and others don't.

You also need to consider what windspeeds and wave conditions you'd like to sail in, while you are learning and thereafter if you tend to become more ambitious with experience.

One way to look at this is to draw a parallel with cars - that should make for some interesting follow up!

The Hobie Wave is rather like a Ford Ka. It is small and functional. You can drive it solo or two up but no more. You can throw it around a bit and heve a good perception of being on the edge, without leaving a dual carriageway or exceeding 35mph - but it felt good, was better than walking and your girlfriend was maxed out.

The Twixie has got some important trick bits (e.g. twin trapeze and spinnaker kit), so is like a Ford XR2. Still too small to accomodate a family, but a lot more fun to throw around. You have to go a bit faster to get a sense of speed, but you've got more controls to make going faster safe and comfortable. Your mate will enjoy this one more, whereas your girlfriend will either force you to stay in 3rd gear or still love it when you're topped out.

The Hobie 16 is most like the Ford Escort RS2000 from the mid '70's. Nothing like a modern RS2000, but fast, scary and on the edge if you drive round forests. As an absolute beginner, would you like to learn to drive in one? You and your mate are likely to love its accelleration, speed and graceful lines - so what if it is dated, it's a classic.

Most of the people on this bulletin board would probably consider themselves as driving anything from a mid 1990's BMW M3 to brand new Maclaren F1s.

In this context, which car would you buy to suit your needs?

I hope that is a useful perspective, and if not let's have fun with other analogies!

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Be real, If you buy a new boat you want a dealer nearby. So Hobie is the way to go. I wanted to suggest the Getaway. We have two that come out. These people aren't racers. Both were beginners to sailing. Their boats have the front tramp,wings and motors. They do a lot of camping and have done some distance crusing with camping gear. The boats are very boyant. They sail well in all conditions. It's a little bigger than what you were looking at however you mention you want something to grow with. I'm sure you will regret not buying a larger cat.

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T55,
I was not implying that you don't have any people or boats in your part of the world. It is just that no matter where you are in the world, when you are daysailing or "cruising," there usually are not other boats in your immediate area to come to your aid if you get in trouble.

If I go sailing on our sound, which is protected water, nine square miles, average air and water temps both 80 degrees, I can sail for hours on the other side of the sound without ever seeing another boat, sail or power. If I get in trouble, like get separated from my boat, I am in BIG trouble. And that's in warm water.

Most catamaran sailors are accustomed to buoys racing on a closed course, where there are lots of people around to help if you get in trouble. So sometimes people give advice to a new sailor based upon that scenario.

And, by the way, you probably need a drysuit rather than a wetsuit. Other people can probably give you better information about what to wear to keep warm and dry in your sailing conditions. A wetsuit is not going to cut it.

Re: H16, Twixxy or Wave for beginner. [Re: Mary] #40445
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Sailing during summertime in scandinavia is done in shorts and t-shirts. A wetsuit might get to hot, but handy if it starts to blow a lot, or if you plan to capsize. Combinations of shorts/spray-jacket is also nice, it is not that cold here during summer, from 18 to 26 degrees (celcius) are common. If a cold front hits, it might drop to 12 - 15 degrees and a drysuit is nice.

A drysuit is essential during spring/fall!

Regarding contemplating a Dragoon. This is either old wooden boats or newer polyester ones. But they are monohulls with a relatively deep keel. Not a vessel I would enjoy cruising in the quite shallow areas of the archipelago of Finland. These are also quite costly boats, which requires a berth in a marina + haulout for mainteinance (or using your trailer and a slipway). Trailersailing is not that common in scandinavia, and most catsailors has no problem finding a sailingclub (few yachtclubs here, thankfully) with a ramp for launcing. Allowing for mast-up storage..

Mary: You are right on with regards to the Tornado being underpowered, at least in my common sailing conditions. It either blows a lot, or almost not at all. Makes it exciting from time to time if you are far from your launching ramp when it starts to blow..


T55: Have you been in touch with the Multihull Assoc. of Finland? Ref: http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/sctl/
They probably know what boats are available in Finland, and can give some further insights to your local conditions.

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It is all what you are used to, I guess. A Tornado sailor friend of ours from England used to race in Miami in T-shirt and shorts when all the other Tornado sailors were wearing wetsuits or drysuits. We thought he was crazy.

And, Rolf, I am sorry I ever brought up the Dragon, monohull, which is still causing confusion, because now you have misspelled Dragon as Dragoon, which is the catamaran. I'm just very partial to the Dragon (monohull) because I spent a lot of time on one as a teenager on Lake Erie.

Obviously, he does not want a Dragon (monohull). I don't think he could carry that on top of his car.

It is good information from you that the area around the archipelago is shallow. Sometimes it takes forever on these threads to piece together all the relevant information so others can give a sailor halfway intelligent advice.

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Sounds pretty much like typical North sea conditons to me. I use a shorty in months after june. Before that I either use a good wetsuit or since 2 years a drysuit in the months april to june when the water temp is rising from 5-6 degreee celsius to about 15-20 degrees. Having said that the first 3 years I had a 15 year old worn down wetsuit of 2.5 mm thickness and a spraytop (that is nice to have) and done it like that. Arguably I was in my 20's then and could stand a little cold during the first months of the season. a new 3mm (preferable with 4 mm on the chest) is the better option together with a relative thick spraytop. I never really liked drysuit for long periods although the magic marine drysuits are the best I know and I bought one of these. But like I said I only wear that one in the first months and on longer trips.

Now I do understand why you adviced the Wave , Mary. The explanation is very helpful in underscoring your advice.

Still, I think a boat a little more powered up is the way to go. I need to check up on the Baltic sea windconditions but I really don't expect it to be haunted with sudden gail force storms. After all it is totally enclosed by landmass and quite away from the Atlantic oceans. If anything most storms (arguable coming from the atlantic) will have lost alot of power of the land. T55 must correct me if I'm wrong


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Re: H16, Twixxy or Wave for beginner. [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #40448
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ok, NOW we're off topic. My best ride of the summer was at 8 degrees C (46 F)and howling, and I had a full wetsuit (with hood) which was fine. The drysuit doesn't come out unless it's snowing.
Sorry, I don't know much about the Twixxy or wave; I would suggest a Hobie 18 over a 16 for sure for what you plan on doing with it. Good luck.
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this 80% figure is quoted from our local hobie cat rep. It may be bs or not I don't know. This is what hobie states. I do know for a fact that both the dealers and hobie make more $$ on the sale of a rotomoulded (truly plastic) boat. I think this is the reason why these are selling so well. The hobie dealers talk these ppl into these hunks o' junk, and the rest is history. I work in sales. Take whatever sales course you want. But I will tell you everything you want to know about sales if you want to know. It all boils down to one thing: tell them what they want to hear. That's all it is. What makes a succesfull salesman is determining what they want ot hear and/or creating such a thing that your competitors can't say. Take whatever sales course you want. This is the real world. If you want to sell something, the key is to keep shooting on selling points until you see that one or 2 points that makes their eyes twinkle. Believe me or disbelieve me if you want, but this is how my I17R was paid for. Ppl who have sailed a wave on a cruise or club med vacation or whatever want to hear this. This is a beginners boat. This just isn't true. This is a "I want to make as much $$ out of you as possible sucker, boat as possible" (getaway). Point is beginers want to hear about a boat for beginners, and Hobie knows this and they offer their non-boats (this is my term for the rotmoulded hunks of (you know what)) If these ppl would only come down to the cat clubs and talk to the sailors before buying a boat...

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You're right, Justin. The Wave is not appropriate for a beginner because he would get bored with it. You have to race for at least 40 years, as my husband and I have, before you get to the point where you are senile enough to appreciate the Wave and the very tight one-design racing this class offers.
But it is nice that beginners buy them, because then the boats quickly end up on the used market so us stupid suckers who love those hunks of junk can get them at a lower price.

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I guess I'll chime in with my 2 cents. I own a Hobie 16.I purchased it cheap and sail it in the warm waters of Rehobeth Bay, Delaware.I would not choose to sail it in New England let alone Finland . I checked out the Twixxy on the Hobie Europe site and I think thats the way I would go if I wanted to own a cat "up north". If I wanted to day cruise, I would get a monohull around 18' (6 meters?) in length with a chute for some down wind fun.

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