Forum Index |  Albums |  Classified Ads |  Catamarans For Sale |  Calendar |  Submit Events
Announcements
New Discussions
Adding a Jib to a Mossie
by Gary Fleming. 12/07/17 11:29 PM
F101 finally in production
by Jake. 12/05/17 06:49 PM
Tradewinds Regatta?
by samc99us. 12/05/17 04:30 PM
Easy way to really learn the Racing Rules
by Mike Fahle. 11/28/17 07:30 AM
Dynema trap lines diameter?
by mmadge. 11/25/17 08:10 AM
foiling chasing UFO
by northsea junkie. 11/23/17 03:12 AM
New Mystere 4.3 in Central Florida
by Mike Fahle. 11/22/17 04:46 PM
36th America's Cup
by waterbug_wpb. 11/21/17 12:10 PM
Fatality During Clipper Race
by Redtwin. 11/20/17 07:56 AM
--Advertisement--
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
#58867 - 10/10/05 01:18 PM adding a spin to N6.0  
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,920
PTP Offline
Carpal Tunnel
PTP  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,920
Michigan
alright, as if I didn't have enough sail area with the express, I find myself thinking... I see more cats with spins than not at the races.... should I get a spin? Seems as though I haven't spent enough money (yeah, right) so I was wondering- how much do you think it would cost to add a spin to my boat? Anybody have a spin rig sitting around that would work on my boat for a reasonable price?
I am not set on a spin (have a lot to learn as it is without complicating matters) but am curious.
thanks

-- Have You Seen This? --
#58868 - 10/10/05 02:17 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: PTP]  
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 281
EasyReiter Offline
enthusiast
EasyReiter  Offline
enthusiast

Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 281
Houston, Texas
Well since you are just curious you may not get the response you are looking for.
Spins new are about $900-1200
new pole is about $300
blocks and lines and such are another $300
either a spin bag or snuffer is about $250
Still just curious?
if you really want to do it, then it has been done so all the locations for everything is known and there are probably pictures here at catsailor or on beachcats somewhere.


Marc Reiter I 20 #861 Dikes, Ferries and Tramps. www.texascitydike.com
#58869 - 10/10/05 04:35 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: PTP]  
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 805
pitchpoledave Offline
old hand
pitchpoledave  Offline
old hand

Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 805
Toronto, Ontario
yes, definitely get a spin. The 6.0 is amazing with one. I have an I20 spin and it works great. Very flat. I have a 14' pole, and sheet it to the front beam and it works very well. Probably cost you $1500-2000.

If you want some pics of my setup I could get them for you..
Dave
http://www.westlakesailingclub.com

#58870 - 10/10/05 05:19 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: pitchpoledave]  
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,920
PTP Offline
Carpal Tunnel
PTP  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,920
Michigan
if you have some pics available that would be great.

#58871 - 10/10/05 06:09 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 worrell Videos or [Re: PTP]  
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 576
BobG Offline
addict
BobG  Offline
addict

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 576
New england, NEMSA 6.0 are specialists maybe there is an old rig around with extra spi? The early worrell videos must have some good footage of the 6.0 fleet around 1997-2000.How long are these videos and are they mostly from the beach or chase boat in filming,I would like to buy more .I have 2001 ,just would like more of a description from anyone thanks.Also where is the footage if any from the 80's Worrell's .Not to highjack the thread but this is good stuff I imagine.

#58872 - 10/10/05 09:57 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: PTP]  
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 99
Krisu13 Offline
journeyman
Krisu13  Offline
journeyman

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 99
Chicago, IL
You can try to contact Rick Bills. (http://new-england-catamarans.com/hot.html ) he had few of spinnakers for sale.

Another good source to get some ideas for your snuffing system is http://www.funcat-sailing.de/Tornado/sitespisysteme.htm

If you debating whether go with end pole or mid pole snuffing system go with mid pole. Not so harsh on the spinnaker.

As of now Iím trying to make my own snuffing ring out of fiber glass Ė tired of launching from the tramp. I still do not know which style to choose. Any input would be appreciated (dimensions).

Spinnaker might be little expensive but it is worth every penny.

Hope it helps.

Kris


I20
#58873 - 10/11/05 05:31 AM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: Krisu13]  
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 12,278
Jake Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Jake  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 12,278
South Carolina
I haven't done anything with this website in a LONG time but....Snuffer Ring:

http://webpages.charter.net/jakekohl/howto/snuffer_ring.htm


Jake Kohl
#58874 - 10/11/05 07:06 AM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: Jake]  
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,114
MauganN20 Offline
Carpal Tunnel
MauganN20  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,114
BANNED
in his spare time, jake also makes tennis racket heads

#58875 - 10/11/05 07:20 AM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: MauganN20]  
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 4,451
Rolf_Nilsen Offline
Rolf_Nilsen  Offline

Carpal Tunnel

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 4,451
West coast of Norway
Kris: There was some talk about this in the F-18 forum a while back. F-18 forum

#58876 - 10/11/05 07:28 AM Try a Hooter! [Re: PTP]  
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 284
Dan Berger Offline
enthusiast
Dan Berger  Offline
enthusiast

Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 284
Norfolk, VA
I thought about the spin, but I really like hooters (sorry, I had to say it). You can sail upwind until about 8-10 mph and downwind like a spinnaker. They furl, so with a quick yank of a line, they are gone. No expensive snuffer and no stuffing into a bag.

Rick has a section on this site dedicated to them: Rick's Hooter store

Also, check out:
Hooter info

You will not be class legal, but I think it is the way to go.



Dan Berger
Norfolk, VA
A Cat USA139
Supercat 15
#58877 - 10/11/05 08:03 AM Re: Try a Hooter! [Re: Dan Berger]  
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 4,451
Rolf_Nilsen Offline
Rolf_Nilsen  Offline

Carpal Tunnel

Joined: May 2003
Posts: 4,451
West coast of Norway
Hooters are uber-cool! Especially if you live in a low-wind area where you can use that extra area upwind. But as far as I know, only Rick are able to sail them downwind at a speed similar to spi's?

The 60 foot tris also use spi's on furlers, but I think they generate a bit more virtual wind than we do on beachcats
I dont know if flatter shapes, suitable for a furler, has been tried on T's but I imagine so..

#58878 - 10/11/05 09:39 AM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]  
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 99
Krisu13 Offline
journeyman
Krisu13  Offline
journeyman

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 99
Chicago, IL
Rolf,

Thanks for the good link. It looks like simple ring attached to the spinnaker pole will do great job.


So here is the question: Why people go through several different designs?
Could some one comment on the advantages and disadvantages of different snuffer designs? From http://www.funcat-sailing.de/Tornado/sitespisysteme.htm

Personally I like the one with red bag. And that is the one that I was trying to duplicate.

Kris



I20
#58879 - 10/11/05 12:59 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: Krisu13]  
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,114
MauganN20 Offline
Carpal Tunnel
MauganN20  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: May 2002
Posts: 3,114
BANNED
Quote
Thanks for the good link. It looks like simple ring attached to the spinnaker pole will do great job.


Well, simply speaking yes, thats what a snuffer is. Getting it to work WELL (especially with all the crap thats up front on the N6.0) is another more complicated thing altogether.

#58880 - 10/12/05 12:30 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: MauganN20]  
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,920
PTP Offline
Carpal Tunnel
PTP  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,920
Michigan
Ok, looks like I am going to go through with this.
Anyone have any good pics of where to put the hardware on the 6.0 (I have looked at the I20 owner's manual on the Perf cats web site, and it helps somewhat, but not totally). For example, what do you do with the pole and the bridle foil?

#58881 - 10/12/05 01:57 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: PTP]  
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 805
pitchpoledave Offline
old hand
pitchpoledave  Offline
old hand

Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 805
Toronto, Ontario
I have a 14' pole and I cut a slot in the end, and rest the slot on the dolphin striker. Stops the pole from rotating.
The other end of the pole I just tied under the foil. The foil is a great place to attach it..
I also drilled holes in my bowes and attached line from there to the end of the pole, and put some prebend in it. I didn't feel that attaching to the bridle attachment points on the hull gave me the right angle to keep the pole down.

The blocks I have on my front beam...The angle seems right. I tried them on the shroud and it was wrong. I haven't had a chance to get you pics yet..this weekend though..

#58882 - 10/12/05 02:03 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: PTP]  
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 805
pitchpoledave Offline
old hand
pitchpoledave  Offline
old hand

Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 805
Toronto, Ontario
here is a pic. look closely and you can see the blocks on the front beam..

http://westlakesailingclub.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=2005ld&id=HPIM1795

#58883 - 10/12/05 02:07 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: PTP]  
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,150
ksurfer2 Offline
old hand
ksurfer2  Offline
old hand

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,150
tampa, fl
Here is a pic of my 6.0. I have an older generation spin that sheets to the rear beam. The spin pole ties to the underside of the bridal foil and then attatches to the bows. Right now I am tramp launching the chute from a bag, but hope to upgrade to a snuffer in the future.

Attached Files
59475-P9240013.JPG (102 downloads)

If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son
I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one
#58884 - 10/12/05 02:13 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: pitchpoledave]  
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,920
PTP Offline
Carpal Tunnel
PTP  Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,920
Michigan
Thanks for the pic. How high up on the mast did you mount the halyard block, did you use a bale to pass the halyard through to prevent rotating the mast in the wrong direction? What hardware did you use to attach the pole to the foil?

#58885 - 10/12/05 06:27 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: PTP]  
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 885
Chris9 Offline
old hand
Chris9  Offline
old hand

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 885
Crofton, MD
We just went thru adding a spin to our 6.0. It also was an old or ex-worrel chute in the 420 sf range and it sheeted to the back beam. We bought a used spin pole, chute, snuffer head and some miscellaneous parts. Then, added the rest. I have some pictures somewhere. The tramp is and will be a mess. Jake provided a diagram on how to run a one line halyard-tack-snuffer line and that is how we have done it. Rick Bliss told me to not locate the halyard height any higher than 28í I think. We followed the NE Chute spec in case we decided to upgrade to a new NE Chute. Iíll follow this up, right now I have to keep my kids from killing each other in the shower!

Last edited by Chris9; 10/12/05 06:30 PM.

Chris Allen
Nacra 20 Gertie
www.wrcra.org
#58886 - 10/12/05 07:02 PM Re: adding a spin to N6.0 [Re: Chris9]  
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 756
wildtsail Offline
old hand
wildtsail  Offline
old hand

Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 756
Newport, RI
I sail with the N.E. chute w/ snuffer but I have a worrell chute with all needed accessories laying around. Drop me an email.
-Todd Riccardi
Nacra 6.0 #308

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  Damon Linkous 

Search

Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 13 guests, and 294 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
NilsonPardal, corrinezhan, pussycatcatman, Shotsailor, PointDume
7725 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
Jake 6
Timbo 3
P.M. 2
Forum Statistics
Forums27
Topics22,268
Posts266,190
Members7,725
Most Online554
May 12th, 2017
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.013s Queries: 17 (0.003s) Memory: 0.9177 MB (Peak: 1.1707 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-12-14 08:18:44 UTC