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#74353 - 05/09/06 06:45 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]  
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Strangely enough I found that the best training for sailing is actually sailing itself. It builds up just the muscles you'll need.

Other then that cycling is a good way to boost overall physical condition.

Wouter


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#74354 - 05/09/06 07:01 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: Wouter]  
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Strangely enough I found that the best training for sailing is actually sailing itself. It builds up just the muscles you'll need.


Wouter took the words right out of my mouth! And single-handed spinnaker sailing is more workout than any job on a double-handed spinnaker boat. On a double-handed spinnaker boat, the crew job is way more workout than skipper!

This weekend, the Alum Creek Regatta in Columbus, Ohio was a great workout! We had two fleets, High Portsmouth (mostly M4.3s with a mix of H16s, H17 and TheMightyHobie18) and Low Portsmouth (eight F17s and a N20), on a relatively small race course. They ran eight races on Saturday and three races on Sunday. Most races were twice around and lasted about 20 minutes for the Low Portsmouth fleet. We got lots of starts, tacks, gybes, spinnaker sets and takedowns, and lots of neck work looking around for other boats! All the muscles that need to be in shape for the sailing season got a workout this weekend and I am feeling it today! Tomorrow will be better! It couldn't have been a better way to get in shape for the siling season .


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#74355 - 05/09/06 07:21 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: sparky]  
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Strangely enough I found that the best training for sailing is actually sailing itself. It builds up just the muscles you'll need.


Wouter took the words right out of my mouth! And single-handed spinnaker sailing is more workout than any job on a double-handed spinnaker boat. On a double-handed spinnaker boat, the crew job is way more workout than skipper!

This weekend, the Alum Creek Regatta in Columbus, Ohio was a great workout! We had two fleets, High Portsmouth (mostly M4.3s with a mix of H16s, H17 and TheMightyHobie18) and Low Portsmouth (eight F17s and a N20), on a relatively small race course. They ran eight races on Saturday and three races on Sunday. Most races were twice around and lasted about 20 minutes for the Low Portsmouth fleet. We got lots of starts, tacks, gybes, spinnaker sets and takedowns, and lots of neck work looking around for other boats! All the muscles that need to be in shape for the sailing season got a workout this weekend and I am feeling it today! Tomorrow will be better! It couldn't have been a better way to get in shape for the siling season .


The problem with this is that sailing you do use all the muscles in the body and so you can end up "unbalanced" - so you can damage yourself. Last time I went for a review (ages ago) my trainer asked what sports I did (skiing and Sailing) and he said, OK, that explains why you can legpress so much and pull so hard, also explains why you cannot press any where near as much. You need to focus on sume of the "pushing exercises" on your upper body, and pulling (curling) on your lower body.



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#74356 - 05/09/06 08:25 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]  
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Pete,

what is it you want to train for? Is to prolong your life and improve your health, or do you want to do something spesific like racing your F-16 competitively? (when is delivery btw?)


Of the sports I have been active in, catamaran racing as a skipper is the least physically demanding. Crewing is harder, but not really something you need to train hard to master. (except the guys doing Tybee/Worrel, archipelago raid and other similar events).



I'm supposed to take delivery May 19. Training is for all of the above. Although I find racing can be very fatiguing. For some reason I'm usually very stiff at the end of the day and have to do some stretches to get comfortable again.

Basically, I'm just in the worst physical condition of my life. Too much ice cream!!




#74357 - 05/09/06 08:29 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: Qb2]  
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. . . Hide the TV remote or put it where you have to stand up to get it.


Young people! Don't ever allow a tv in the bedroom! CSI re-runs and ice cream are a serious prescription for galloping decrepitude!

#74358 - 05/09/06 09:31 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: fin.]  
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I would agree with Les and Wouter that sailing to get in shape for sailing is a good idea. But I have found, after four years on the F17, that the addition of cycling has really helped. Also, cycling has taught me what fuels to use. I was always old fashioned about that aspect in the past. Now instead of water and a sandwich on board, I use gatorade, gatorade endurance, power bars, and some water.


The cycling has made my legs and heart stronger. Not only does it help me on the boat, but now it is easier to pull my "heavy !?" boat (2000 I17R) over than first hump on the beach after the boat is on the wheels!

I guess the only negative thing about the cycling is the cost of the new clothes I will soon have to buy. I have lost about 7 pounds this Spring. If I didn't have on a belt, my pants would be " sagging " so much that I would look like one of those Hip Hop guys with his underwear showing..............


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#74359 - 05/09/06 09:48 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: fin.]  
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Don't knock ice cream. My father ate ice cream every day of his life and lived to 92, played tennis until he died, and died skinny and in relatively good health. His secret was to eat and drink everything he wanted but in moderation (small portions).

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#74360 - 05/09/06 10:11 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: Mary]  
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I'm doing a basic survival mode of "workout". Up to 60 crunches now every morning, five days a week (weekends are for sailing). Having read all the statistics of around 50 year old US males, back injuries are way up the list. That would obviously end the sailing career. Doesn't take long and can do almost anywhere, has become routine (that's the trick, make it routine)

Thanks everyone for the tips of other activities to add.

I'm not sure which addiction ranks higher with me, ice cream or sailing


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#74361 - 05/09/06 10:40 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: _flatlander_]  
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Ice cream, yes! Ice cream in bed, while watching tv, no!

#74362 - 05/09/06 11:34 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: scooby_simon]  
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#74363 - 05/09/06 11:53 AM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: hobie1616]  
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Over here its called boinking. [/quote]
Yea ! And Doctors say that it is good for the heart


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#74364 - 05/09/06 12:41 PM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: hobie1616]  
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Non-athletic 220 age = MHR
Fit 205 (age/2) = MHR

Mike,

Where did you get this Fit formula for MHR? It's damn near right on. I was very surprised.

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#74365 - 05/09/06 12:49 PM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: hobie1616]  
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110 leg extensions each side, 100 lower ab crunches then the 40 pushups keeps older backs over 55 years of age in condition for the mature gentlemen like Rick White and me. After last Saturday finishing the Mug Race I felt great, and not even sore Sunday. However several chilled drafts from the Rudder Club keg helped immensely! I kept looking, but did not see any of that boi..... exercise technique anywhere all day.....


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#74366 - 05/09/06 01:33 PM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: dacarls]  
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Pete, I would find something enjoyable to do that brings your heartrate up for 60-90 minutes three times a week. If you 'pump out' sailing your Blade when you get it, you will probably want to switch one of these sessions over to weight/strength training for the muscle groups who need it.
The regime Jake suggests and lives under is very impressive! I dont have time for that in the mornings however, and dont think I would enjoy it either.. The key for me is to do something enjoyable. I remember you saying something about your southern Florida climate making cycling a hot affair, so how about swimming?

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Pete, I would find something enjoyable to do that brings your heartrate up for 60-90 minutes three times a week. If you 'pump out' sailing your Blade when you get it, you will probably want to switch one of these sessions over to weight/strength training for the muscle groups who need it.
The regime Jake suggests and lives under is very impressive! I dont have time for that in the mornings however, and dont think I would enjoy it either.. The key for me is to do something enjoyable. I remember you saying something about your southern Florida climate making cycling a hot affair, so how about swimming?


It's really not all that time consuming. I just get up an hour earlier than usual which leaves me time for the gym, a shower there, and a stop by the grocery store on the way into work every few days. I keep a small refrigerator under my desk at work and stock it with low-fat yogurt, cottage cheese (mixed together makes one quick and easy meal), pouch packed salmon, fruits, veggies, substitute eggs in small peel-lid containers, wholewheat bagles, etc. I stay away from soda and sweet tea (I am in the south afterall). Bonnie will make up large batches of tuna casserole (ala "eating for life" recipes) and the like. With a microwave in my office, the biggest pain I have to bare is listening to my cohorts gripe about the smell of the egg substitue (they taste just like egg but they are rather odiferous) and that they can't believe how much I eat.


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It sounds great Jake!

At our house, the "alarm clock" wakes between 0600 and 0700. Up, feeding the "alarm clock" a quick shower and off to kindergarden and work.
After work, pick up the "alarm clock" at the kindergarden, home, dinner, housekeeping and diverse chores. Force the teenager to do her homework and watching her MSN usage. Put the alarm clock to bed at ca 1930, and enjoy some silent hours in the garage on projects while relying on the baby call.
Wife mostly works evenings now..
Not much room in there for working out, but I do what I can. It's hard on me, as I used to work out 5-7 times a week before I married.

#74369 - 05/09/06 05:48 PM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: Rolf_Nilsen]  
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dieting does not work. There needs to be a balance of diet change (life style change) and consistent exercise. This will require that you eliminiate all of the regular excuses; I don't have time; I can't afford it; I am too tired after work; blah, blah, blah. DISCIPLNE!

Cut out white processed flour (light beer is ok), cut out trans fats, eat when you are hungry, eat lots of lean protein, carbs are OK as long as they don't come from Doritos and Pringles.

Exercise, light weight lifting will build muscle which burns calories. Graduate into moderate exercise, take your time but be consistent. I suggest a trainer for at least 60 days, they can keep you motivated and help you to develop a habit.

My 2 cents.


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#74370 - 05/09/06 06:57 PM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: Thomm225]  
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Where did you get this Fit formula for MHR? It's damn near right on. I was very surprised.
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#74371 - 05/09/06 06:58 PM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: Dermot]  
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Over here its called boinking.

Yea ! And Doctors say that it is good for the heart [/quote]They're in on the plot.


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#74372 - 05/09/06 07:08 PM Re: diet, training and exercise [Re: arbo06]  
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Each of you offers something of value, the commonality being proper nutrition and consistency.

My problem started at 50. For some reason, I thought that was an appropriate time to give my weights to Goodwill and grow old gracefully. What a crock that turned out to be! I can barely see my f***n' toes!

Up to that time I had a system that involved a little of everything; stretches, walking, strenght building and reasonable diet. It worked once, so I think that is the best solution for me.

Thanks again, everyone.


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