| performance #86816 10/17/06 05:46 AM 10/17/06 05:46 AM |
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Posts: 3,348 | "In the end, it was compeling 2 weeks of training and racing against the best in the country vying for a spot on the 2008 Olympic Sailing Team to represent USA in Quindao, China. The drivers alone in the top 3 had 16 years combined racing together at a low average of 70 days a year racing, and another 20 plus in coaching. Thousands of hours testing and training to use this block or that line or this sail with only those battens in these 5 conditions....only etc. Just when you think that, "this" is "the" way to rig the boat or drive the boat...someone else says otherwise and has 40 hours of sailing and testing to prove it. And that comes from most of the teams during both Tornado events. With the top speed groove in the Tornado so small and at times so hard to find, there is very little forgiveness by the fleet when you are not in it...at times, that "out-the-groove" moment is just paralyzingly scarely. But when it is there, and you finish close to the pack...Wow, you now know, what fast really feels like; and it isn't always about pure speed. " - Mark Herendreen
Took the liberty of borrowing this from another forum. After all the preparation, his boat was damaged by a seal! WTF!
I didn't want to (continue to) hijack another thread. To be succinct: How fast is your boat? It is proportional to your committment.
In our sport there is much discussion of technological advancement and less notice paid to the increased skill of the sailors. I believe there is a cumulative effect over time. Or is it just a coincidence that our 10 time national Tornado Champions are coached by a 9 time champion? Probably not.
btw- I was just looking at some footage of this years Texel, and it looked like line honors went to a Tornado with dacron sails. Can anyone confirm?
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[Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
#86818 10/17/06 06:45 AM 10/17/06 06:45 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Just wait until a Tornado shows up with Foils on it...
(Of course that's a joke)
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[Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
#86820 10/17/06 08:30 AM 10/17/06 08:30 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I know Rolf, that's why I said it's a joke...Otherwise they would already have them.
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[Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
#86821 10/17/06 09:03 AM 10/17/06 09:03 AM |
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Posts: 371 Michigan, USA | but other platforms might see them Other than F16/Stealth, where might you expect to see foils? Would you expect to see lifting foils? The Stealth uses them on their rudders for stabilization of the platform which seems to be effective, but they don't try to lift the platform out of the water from what I can tell. If you were to do a "clean sheet" approach to the F16, would you try to incorporate "lifting" foils?
Les Gallagher
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[Re: Dan_Delave]
#86825 10/18/06 07:16 AM 10/18/06 07:16 AM |
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Posts: 371 Michigan, USA | My real question is,do you think lifting foils would make the boat quicker around the bouys?
Looking at that 18 Ft. Skiff video, I keep thinking that an identical boat without the lifting foils would be quicker around the bouys. They were on a close reach, probably looking to get maximum speed, but the drag of the foils made me think that even at that sailing angle, they might have been faster without the foils. In my opinion, in windward/leeward competitions, the foiler would be slower.
What Stealth do with the rudder foil looks much more promising to me and I would want to do it if "legal" within the class.
Les Gallagher
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#86828 10/18/06 10:23 AM 10/18/06 10:23 AM |
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Posts: 1,382 Essex, UK | ....and I think we will see them in common use soon Does this mean, Rolf, that we're about to see a semi-foiling Blade? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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Unregistered | One of the things that I have wondered about while watching all of these foiling craft is the effect of foiling on windward performance. When these boats are riding along, at times nearly the entire centerboard is out of the water. That's got to just about kill all of the lateral resistance. This is evident in the 18skiff video, when they get going, the boat heels to windward and the guys come running in off the wing. I guess it's part of the technique where the skipper trys to keep the hull just above the water surface, but it seems like they might benefit from putting more board below the foil, or moving the foil up higer on the board.
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | Lifting "banana" foils might be acceptable to most of us tough, and I think we will see them in common use soon. And isn't this premise to increase speed by reducing the wetted surface of the leeward hull? And not fly it, which could result in nastier pitchpoles? But not everybody will think a foiling cat is still a cat, and do we really want to go in that direction? Which is why I posted the only foiling cat I could find. Not what I had in mind. The beach wheels and anti-pitch tabs are cool, eh? You're right Dan, it can only get better.
John H16, H14
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