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string for pulling spin sheets into chute. #145983
06/17/08 04:13 AM
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can anyone remember the thread on above , someone talked of a line attached to somewhere on the kite , when dousing that pulled the sheets into the chute to stop the chance of bow wrapping , can't remember how i found it before , and fancy giving the system a try , any one used it ??, does it work ??, what do you do ??

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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Codblow] #145984
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can anyone remember the thread on above , someone talked of a line attached to somewhere on the kite , when dousing that pulled the sheets into the chute to stop the chance of bow wrapping , can't remember how i found it before , and fancy giving the system a try , any one used it ??, does it work ??, what do you do ??


I don't remember the thread, but the line you're talking about is as follows: The line attaches to the clew and is about 12 inches long. On the end of the line is a small ring. The dousing line comes out of the snuffer bowl, through the small ring, and then up the sail as normal. As you snuff, this pulls the clew of the sail (and the sheets) into hoop with the first part of the sail instead of the last.


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Will this make it harder to pull down the spi, or even easier?

Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #145986
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I was wondering if it cause more of a blockage, as it introduces an additional "layer" of kite to be pulled into the sock (i.e. the clew being pulled forward into the sock).

I suppose it comes down to: does it *really* work? If so, it sounds like something we'll all be doing soon.


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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Rolf_Nilsen] #145987
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Will this make it harder to pull down the spi, or even easier?


I'm a fairly scientific guy - but spinnaker snuffing and the relative ease or difficulty seems to defy logic. Adding this actually helped our I20 chute snuff a little easier but it didn't make sense to me as to why.


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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Jake] #145988
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Doesn't this also require you to adjust your spin. sheet lengths, since they are tied to the clew wich is now going in first instead of last (and deeper into the sock)? Or is there enough slack in them already for that? And what about the halyard/snuff line, does it have to be longer since now it will be going all the way back and out to 12" near the clew from the hoop, instead of just straight up the middle of the spinn?

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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Jake] #145989
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It made it easier on our N20 as well.

I think its because it makes it more "sausage" shaped before you douse and less, "squash" shaped.

I agree with Jake, highly scientific.

Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Jake] #145990
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Seemed to me that the biggest problem I had in snuffing was fighting the halyard itself. If the head of the sail fell off to leeward (and stayed out of the water), the large hoop easily accommodated whatever amount of spin I could pull in there.

If the halyard wasn't easing fast enough, I was pulling against that (tight luff), as well as whatever fabric at the snuff points into the hoop, at a vertical angle (and the clump of sail had to go around the hoop edge)


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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Codblow] #145991
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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: bobcat] #145992
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cheers thats it .

that photo is BIG !!, thought my browser settings were fecked as you have to scroll soo far to read now .

Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Codblow] #145993
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Looks awesome!

Which works best, bungie or regular line?

what is the bungie in the pic tied to? It doesnt look like it is in the clew/gromet. Is it tied to the bitter end of the spin sheet (that we cant see?)

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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: waterbug_wpb] #145994
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Seemed to me that the biggest problem I had in snuffing was fighting the halyard itself. If the head of the sail fell off to leeward (and stayed out of the water), the large hoop easily accommodated whatever amount of spin I could pull in there.

If the halyard wasn't easing fast enough, I was pulling against that (tight luff), as well as whatever fabric at the snuff points into the hoop, at a vertical angle (and the clump of sail had to go around the hoop edge)


Are you talking about back in the dark ages...with end pole snuffers?


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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Codblow] #145995
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I'm just catching up on this thread. Sorry if I missed this:

Is this not useful on endpole snuffers?


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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: ] #145996
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Bungie is probably the way to go. I think some stretch at times is useful.

One of the features of the system is that it sucks the extra spin sheet off your tramp and into the bag. I personally did not have to lengthen my sheets. I believe that it also pulls some of the extra spin halyard (when using the single line system) off the tramp while the spin is up.

Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Chris9] #145997
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I'm just catching up on this thread. Sorry if I missed this:

Is this not useful on endpole snuffers?


I was just giving him $hit because he's not owned a boat since we were all using end-pole snuffers. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Jake] #145998
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Very Good. Continue heaping it on then!


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Re: string for pulling spin sheets into chute. [Re: Jake] #145999
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I'm just catching up on this thread. Sorry if I missed this:

Is this not useful on endpole snuffers?


I was just giving him $hit because he's not owned a boat since we were all using end-pole snuffers. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Yes, it was the dark ages of end-pole snuffers! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

And I need more s* so I'll get off my fat heiny get buff for Hiram's.


Jay


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