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Re: couple pix from the Meigs
[Re: Chris9]
#148676 07/07/0809:27 AM07/07/0809:27 AM
I can't believe Mark Smith would go with a non-class-legal mainsail?
Yes he would. Been talking about it for a while. Legal to do so in a Portsmouth event.
I thought a lot of portsmouth events have a rule about having boats sail with equipment legal within their classes though. I thought I saw that language for the RTI NOR. Can' find it now though. You certainly know more about this than I do so maybe I was mistaken.
Edit: found it: but this is for the RTI in the SIs Modified and non class competitors must abide by their applicable or Portsmouth Ratings including modification factors.
So would Smith have to take a modification hit?
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Re: couple pix from the Meigs
[Re: PTP]
#148684 07/07/0804:29 PM07/07/0804:29 PM
Yes, Mark would have taken the larger than class legal main hit "ML" modifier since the jib appears to be the same size there is no hit for that.
DPN*ML = 59.3*.98=58.114
But if the main is the same sail area (within 5%) and just a different cut he should take the MN hit. DPN*MN = 59.3*.995 = 59.0035 it's more likely this is the modifier used. If you're a numbers player it's a small hit for an updated sailplan.
"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
Re: couple pix from the Meigs
[Re: PTP]
#148685 07/07/0804:29 PM07/07/0804:29 PM
Read the modification - if he's within 5% of the class legal sail area, then there's no hit.
Mark said he'd never use those sails in a class event, of course.
I'm a friend of Mark's. He was my first long-term skipper in catamarans and he's made incalcuable contributions to catamaran sailing in the Panhandle. I think, however, that gaming the numbers is poor sportsmanship. In Mark's defense, I'll say that he's only following others' examples.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
There's no official modification factor for non-class legal Jib of the same area or less, but it's an obvious improvement over class legal the RC should invent one.
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Any other deviations from standard class configurations, including the addition of wings, can be assessed a penalty of at least 0.995. Multiple deviations may incur multiple penalties. Penalties may be greater than 0.995. Please identify any such modifications and penalties assigned and include with results reported to the handicap committee and Portsmouth Numbers Committee.
Re: couple pix from the Meigs
[Re: Rhino1302]
#148689 07/07/0804:45 PM07/07/0804:45 PM
"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
MN - For non-class legal mainsail, of same sail area or less than class legal mainsail (formerly square top adjustment)
You're right, of course, Dave. It is a 0.995 hit. The hit for sail area greater than 5% is 0.980.
For ease of reference, a N20 rates 59.3. Mark's rating, if he's not taking any mods on the jib, is 59.0. Unless his sail is really more that 5% bigger, which would rate him 58.1, almost the same as the M20.
Quick Sailwave run; Mark owes a stock 20 about 31 seconds an hour, while the "large" main owes the stock 20 just over two minutes an hour.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.