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#245937 03/21/12 09:55 PM 03/21/12 09:55 PM |
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | A couple pumps ... and "hi ho a diary-o ... jesus Harry, makin' it too easy. and get some tubes.
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#245946 03/22/12 08:37 AM 03/22/12 08:37 AM | MN3
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Unregistered | If you're really having trouble finding a used set, and if you have the cash, you could always buy a boat that comes with a set, then flip the boat and keep the Cat Trax. This takes cash and cajones (you don't want to get stuck with the boat)...
This works best with a boat like a Hobie Wave, you can usually turn them around very quickly. During the start of sailing season, they don't last on CL for very long.
Mike I think the wave only has a 7' beam so those wheels wont work on most beach cats ... make sure you get wheels that fit your beam.. or you will have to add weight, expense (and a new and exciting way to bleed when you get your hand pinched by the extension).
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#245951 03/22/12 09:38 AM 03/22/12 09:38 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | I think the wave only has a 7' beam so those wheels wont work on most beach cats ... make sure you get wheels that fit your beam.. or you will have to add weight, expense (and a new and exciting way to bleed when you get your hand pinched by the extension). If you get Wave Trax or something, just visit your local metal supply joint and pick up a new axle - pretty sure it is 2-inch aluminum tube. I used the Trax Mike Fahle sold me with a Mystere 4.3 for four or five boats, just swapping the axle to fit whatever boat I owned at the time. The Glasers have those Trax, now, and they just put tubes in.
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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#245953 03/22/12 10:07 AM 03/22/12 10:07 AM |
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Posts: 139 Hernando, Florida | When it comes to sealing the tire to the wheel, you could try cleaning it real well and taking it by a big tire shop like Tire Kingdom. They have a commercial bead sealer they put on wheels to prevent leaking. They don't use it all the time but just on old ones that won't close up.
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#245954 03/22/12 10:23 AM 03/22/12 10:23 AM | MN3
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Unregistered | I think the wave only has a 7' beam so those wheels wont work on most beach cats ... make sure you get wheels that fit your beam.. or you will have to add weight, expense (and a new and exciting way to bleed when you get your hand pinched by the extension). If you get Wave Trax or something, just visit your local metal supply joint and pick up a new axle - pretty sure it is 2-inch aluminum tube. I used the Trax Mike Fahle sold me with a Mystere 4.3 for four or five boats, just swapping the axle to fit whatever boat I owned at the time. The Glasers have those Trax, now, and they just put tubes in. Makes sense | | | Re: Wheels for beach wheels
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#245958 03/22/12 10:47 AM 03/22/12 10:47 AM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | If you have tubeless beach wheels that are leaking or you can't get the tire to seal to the wheel, try adding a sealant made for tubeless mountain bike tires. NO!I've changed a lot of tires, that sh!t is straight up nasty to deal with, and it doesn't really work that well in the first place. It will eventually leak again. And I really don't care if it worked for you, you're an anomaly. Put a tube in, the tires are soft as hell, and easy to get off of a rim, or go somewhere and pay them $4 to put the tube in. You don't even have to pull the tire off, just break the bead on both sides, get the tube in. I think I broke the bead on mine with my foot. This isn't a high stress application. Cat-trax have a strange tire size, and its tough to get a tube that is the right size. The tire is a 21x12x8, I think both of mine have a 22x12x8 tube in them. You aren't putting any load on them, and the chance of the tube pinching itself and leaking is pretty low. I threw tubes in close to three years ago, and I don't think I've added air since then.
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#245961 03/22/12 11:21 AM 03/22/12 11:21 AM |
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | You guys mean to tell me that no one has successfully made a decent pair of beachwheels on their own using ATV tires or something similar? That seems to be the gist of things.
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#245963 03/22/12 11:27 AM 03/22/12 11:27 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Yup - read through the thread again. People are innovative and have come up with home-build solutions that didn't work as well and didn't last as long... most then bought Trax.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#245965 03/22/12 12:06 PM 03/22/12 12:06 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Mike's tip is a good one - keep shopping craigslist in a 100-mile radius. Last month, I saw a painted Hobie 16 on a Zieman trailer with a fiberglass catbox, two sets of sails and a set of Trax for $600.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#245968 03/22/12 12:32 PM 03/22/12 12:32 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | You guys mean to tell me that no one has successfully made a decent pair of beachwheels on their own using ATV tires or something similar? Of couse I could buy a set of Cat trax. My folks have a pair that they've used for close to 20 years. I know they work well, but I also know that it didn't take a rocket engineer to design them. All we're talking about is a pair of wheels, an axle, and a basic hub/bearing assembly.
Throwing a fist full of cash at the problem is a simple and obvious solution, but unfortunately one that isn't available to me right now.
If anyone has any actual input about the original post topic - sourcing parts to build a set of wheels - that would be most helpful.
sm I made my first set and they were engineered exactly like "Cat Trax" made hubs and bearing races . Cut Delrin rods for bearings. It was a rather large pain in the butt sourcing and ordering all the materials and when it was all said and done I may have come out $150 cheaper than a new set, not counting my time(which I had much more of then).Not worth it. I got the aluminum from an Aircraft supply comp. and the Delrin from "plywood and plastics". Hubs were made of fiberglassed wood w/ Stainless bolts for lugs.I used PVC reducers for bearing retainers.
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#245970 03/22/12 12:40 PM 03/22/12 12:40 PM |
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Posts: 602 Wilmington,NC | You guys mean to tell me that no one has successfully made a decent pair of beachwheels on their own using ATV tires or something similar? Of couse I could buy a set of Cat trax. My folks have a pair that they've used for close to 20 years. I know they work well, but I also know that it didn't take a rocket engineer to design them. All we're talking about is a pair of wheels, an axle, and a basic hub/bearing assembly.
Throwing a fist full of cash at the problem is a simple and obvious solution, but unfortunately one that isn't available to me right now.
If anyone has any actual input about the original post topic - sourcing parts to build a set of wheels - that would be most helpful.
sm I guess you are not understanding what we are saying. 1. there are no such parts to buy off the shelf, you have to fabricate everything yourself . All these are just a guess but you get the idea. a.wheels and rims 100 b. axle 60 c. bearings plastic 25 d.hubs/welding 75 e.misc hardware 30 f.cradles home made 40 total 330 2. buy the time you invest in trying to make a set and the parts you will be better off just trying to find a used or new set of wheels unless you have access to a machine shop and welder. 3. If you do make a set they more than likely won't work very well or last very long and you will have just wasted time and money that you could have invested in a good set of wheels. How many home built wheels do you see at Regattas that actually work? 4. You can buy the wheels and bearings from FSC and buy you own axle and make you own cradles and save some. I hope this helps. Most of the people on here have been sailing for a long time and if we could find a cheaper way it would have been posted. | | | Re: Wheels for beach wheels
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#245989 03/22/12 09:36 PM 03/22/12 09:36 PM |
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | I have a background in mechanical design (and I'm a miser...bad combo) Trouble is, when dollars go down the weight goes up. If looking to make a set for a 250 pound boat you move yourself, you may be able to come up with a decent combo. I came up with a design that uses electrical conduit & fittings and golf cart wheels/tires. Largest expense being finding larger diameter tires.
The bearing surface is the key, a H16 or heavier boat is hard to move without "nice" bearings.
ps Where's Doug Snell when you need him? He must have posted that ho-made set made with the blue barrel at least 1,500 times on every cat forum ever known to man. ps
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