Hey Les,

As a rules guru, do you think it would be acceptable to list the boat type under the registration list, but not under the results. So if someone wanted to check themselves at least the info is available?

Brian,

One of the rules talks about the "intent" of the rules. Listing boat manufacturer in the registration list might not violate the rule technically, but would violate the intent, in my opinion. I would advise against it. Just let the manufacturers brag about their results, no matter what it costs them to pay their pro skippers/crews.

I must be reading this entirely differently, because I don't see how it precludes listing the brand name in either the registrations or in the results. It just sounds like they don't want you posting the results for the different brands separately, for any given event or for a series of events. And that makes perfect sense.

Mary, That's the way it reads to me too. It looks to me like it simply says that you can't split out the results by Manufacturer. This limits spliting the F18 classes out by manufacturer in my opinion. It doesn't say anything about not listing boat type on results.

Maybe I flunked English Comp but that's the way I read it.

Mike Hill
www.stlouiscats.com

I agree with Mary and Mike.

The top 5 boats are all Hobie Tiger. The F 18 class can try and keep the manufacturer names out but it will come out in the. Why they just don't show it up front like at other worlds they ran is a mystery.

If they don't put the manufacturer names with the boats in the results, the individual manufacturers will put out their own press releases anyway (if they have anything to brag about), so the brand names might as well be in the official results for all to see. Better for the event to get an objective report than for the public to see only releases slanted to favor certain manufacturers.

I agree with this - we're going to find out anyway. In addition, I read that rule to imply that maintaining a "manufacturer scoring" system is not allowed. In NASCAR automotive racing, they have a "manufacturer's challenge" where a manufacturer (Chevy, Dodge, or Ford) wins based on their finishes over the season and I can see how the wording of the rule prohibits such a system. However, I don't see how the wording of the rule can be interpreted to disallow listing the type of boat next to the registrant's name.

I do, however, see how the class is trying to stay as far as possible away from ANY appearance to support one brand over another. The class makes a serious effort to maintain a blindfold when it comes to brands.

And the problem is that the rule only applies to the class association; it does not apply to manufacturers themselves. They can put out whatever information they want -- and they DO. If a manufacturer wants to put out brand scoring, they can. Right? As long as it is not sanctioned by the class association.

Kids, it aint the boat that is putting these teams at the top. They are not pros because they suck!

As far as I'm concerned this is a contest about the teams not the boat.

As for being mislead by a manufacturers press release... it's an ad, and we all know how much truth there is an advertising.

We all know that any F18 isn't anything to get too excited about but 140+ boats racing straight up, and it's not a H16, that's the [censored] baby! Yeah, that's way cool!

The boats being equal, sail shape can make that extra 10th of a knot needed to get clear air after the start.

I would like to know what motor (sailmaker), they are using with the chassis (manufacturer), like in 'Formula 1'.
ie. McLaren/Mercedes, Williams/BMW, Jordan/Toyota, Red Bull/Cosworth, and BAR/Honda.

F18 worlds makes wetass history!

http://www.wetasschronicles.com/2005/07/flying-formula-18s.html

We could make our own list.



Kenbeek/Brouwer are racing a Capricorn (a Tiger in 2004).

Rolf,

Well, some footage and the flip-over !
(Sorry for the ads)

http://www.ftv.nl/asx/dsp_asxplaylist.cfm?id=186316&pid=telegraaf&quality=3

Re: F18 performance.

The fact is one design of hull has to be faster than another. All you have to do is look at Hobie versus Nacra versus Capricorn the shapes are so different.

From my experience racing against and talking to the top sailors in OZ on all 3 designs, the only time the Nacra is competitive is in light winds and the Capricorn is probably quickest on average. The only Tigers that beat the Capricorns in OZ are the best in the world and beat the same sailors when they sail other classes as well.

As a racer in OZ, I realy enjoy reults and regatta reports that list, brand of hull and sailmakers against the crew names. It's just more knowledge about what is going on out there, we are a long way from the rest of the World and I don't like to believe everything I am told by adverts.

Regards Gary.

Well on my part of the pond, my experience and observations are the nacra and tiger don't have any noticable performance differences. See how that works!?

Again, it's the teams on the boats not the boat!

Until there is some real two boat testing that includes rotating the teams to the various boats all this talk about one boat being better than another is just noise.

It looks like they caught the anchor line for the buoy. I can't see any other reason for that quick pitchpole on the boat. Anyone else?

Kip
Boise, ID
FX-1

Agreed. It didn't matter when Nigel and/or Alex were sailing on the Tiger or the Nacra (or even the small sail plan in Nigel's case) they have continued to kick our butts.

100% certian that is what they did - opps !

The article on the F18 Worlds site said exactly that.