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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #174825
04/14/09 12:38 PM
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Are you running the shock cord through anything? Typically, it is a PVC pipe encased in high density foam or rubber. The "pipe" is longer the board and avoids sawing the cord. Sometimes, I've seen it with only 1/2" PVC.


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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #174827
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"I'm sure I'll be corrected here by a Hobie history buff, but they raised the tramp on rails on the H16 when they realized that they'd but in the water a good deal of time on that boat."

I have no idea how they decided on the raised tramp frame, but the H14 came before the H16. For the H16, it looks like they just scaled up the 14.

There is a school of thought that says be careful how tight you make the tramp. You could stretch it to the point that it will meet in the middle, and you would no longer be able to take away the slack. For that reason, I wouldn't recommend squeezing in the side rails.

I have no idea what a boot hook is, but on my 16 (laces up the middle and across the back), I use two combination wrenches and several pairs of vice grips. Make a "T" with the wrenches, use the open end of the larger one to twist the line. Use the vice grips to hold the line at the grommets as you work your way down. I learned this at Madcatter many moons ago...

No matter what, your back is usually in pain after adjusting a tramp. blush

Mike

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: Kris Hathaway] #174830
04/14/09 01:34 PM
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I do have it going through the foam with some thin walled PVC inside the foam but the PVC is the same length as the foam. So it still allows the cord to contact the board.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: brucat] #174832
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Originally Posted by brucat
"I'm sure I'll be corrected here by a Hobie history buff, but they raised the tramp on rails on the H16 when they realized that they'd but in the water a good deal of time on that boat."


The 14 & 16 have always had raised rails.

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There is a school of thought that says be careful how tight you make the tramp. You could stretch it to the point that it will meet in the middle, and you would no longer be able to take away the slack. For that reason, I wouldn't recommend squeezing in the side rails.

I have no idea what a boot hook is, but on my 16 (laces up the middle and across the back), I use two combination wrenches and several pairs of vice grips. Make a "T" with the wrenches, use the open end of the larger one to twist the line. Use the vice grips to hold the line at the grommets as you work your way down. No matter what, your back is usually in pain after adjusting a tramp.

Mike


If the two halves come together, you have other problems.

Strapping the rails within reason will do no harm and can only help. Just take a trailer rachet strap and run it around and hook it together under the tramp. Synch it down until you can see an inch of bow on each side. It looks bad, but it works.

Now, lace the tramp as tight as you can accross the back. Do the same for the middle, but you don't need to overdo it at this point. You should use knots at each end of the lacing that can be adjusted later, such as half hitches. Don't terminate with a bowline because you won't be able to adjust it.

Then, make sure the boat is securley tied to the trailer to prevent it from moving forward.

Now run your winch cable hook back and hook it into the center lacing about 2/3rds of the way back and crank it on good. You will see it pull a lot of slack out of the center lacing which wasn't there before.

Now take your vice grip and clamp it on the line at the last grommet past the hook.

Slack the winch cable and move it forward several grommets and do this again and again until you reach the front beam. Tie it off with a few half hitches and relase the strap around the side beams.

You can also use light line (1/16")to make a truckers hitch in the lacing at the rear on each side, to do a quick and dirty snugging. Wrap it about 6-8 times between several lacing points (on the line, not through the grommets) and you can really synch it down.

Watch the various grommets to prevent pulling them out, but a tramp in decent shape should be fine.

Tight is always a good thing!



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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #174835
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So...is it actually cutting the cord or are you just worried about it? If the top section of your boards are razon sharp or serrated, you probably should dull them for you and your crew's safety. The whole section that is buried in the dagger well does not have to be tuned like the below hull section.


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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: Kris Hathaway] #174841
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It's already frayed the cover so I think I should definitely dull it down.(since they are 20 years old, it seems like it has just been beaten flat and the edges of the gel/fiberglass are a bit sharp) Didn't even think about crew safety, good idea.

Thanks.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #174842
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Originally Posted by MD BlowBoater
It's already frayed the cover so I think I should definitely dull it down.(since they are 20 years old, it seems like it has just been beaten flat and the edges of the gel/fiberglass are a bit sharp) Didn't even think about crew safety, good idea.

Thanks.


You don't need to dull it - you just need a longer PVC tube in the center of the foam to spread the bunji out past the back of the board.


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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: Jake] #174847
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I was a bit worried the pvc would break but I have some extra so I'll give it a shot.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #174854
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Since my virtual VOR boat is named Blow Boat, could you tell me what was the inspiration for your handle?


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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: catman] #174873
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MD BlowBoater, I really enjoy your style, hauling your catamaran behind a wrangler cool i gotta get a picture of mine with the top of with my boat behind it!!

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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: ryanm] #174876
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Originally Posted by catman
Since my virtual VOR boat is named Blow Boat, could you tell me what was the inspiration for your handle?


Pretty much just got it from my friends that are not fans of sail boats calling sailors 'blow boaters.' Pretty common around here to hear it.

Originally Posted by ryanm
MD BlowBoater, I really enjoy your style, hauling your catamaran behind a wrangler cool i gotta get a picture of mine with the top of with my boat behind it!!


Thanks man, I took that pic after I washed them both and figured it was a good photo opp. Just need some warm weather now to use both of them. Gotta love the Jeeps.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #176158
04/26/09 04:17 PM
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Help has been greatly appreciated.

Test set up in the yard went 100% smooth. Ready to sail.

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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #176163
04/26/09 05:06 PM
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Beautiful boat, and nice grass. Wish our yard looked like that.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #176164
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dunno if you know or not, but your traveler isn't set right.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: PTP] #176188
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Thanks for the compliment.

And yeah I know the traveler isn't fed through right. I was just making sure I had everything I needed to take her out this week. Thanks for lookin out though.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #176193
04/27/09 03:39 AM
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Great boat, your gonna have fun
Its hard to see in the photo, it looks like your downhaul is threaded through the cleats on the beam? Shouldn't that be the mast rotation sheets cleated there or is there another spot?
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Re: New User/New sailor [Re: JeffS] #176291
04/27/09 09:56 PM
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Nah, the pic is too small to tell but I don't have anything hooked up through the mast rotation cleats on the beam yet.

Took my friends 6.0NA out today for the first time. That was a pretty fun ride, just can't wait to dump mine in.. we need some beaches here, that we are seriously lacking in.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #176292
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Hi,

Gunpowder Regatta this weekend over at the Gunpowder State Park Hammermill Area at the Concession Stand .... Come on By

Harry

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: HMurphey] #178023
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Hey guys I was just looking at a 5.8 tuning guide and they ran the diamond wires anywhere from 23 to 3 on a Loos guage. Anyone have any more info on when to run what tension or should I just pick a setting and keep it? I put them at 20 today.

Re: New User/New sailor [Re: MD BlowBoater] #178112
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Also, I broke a hole in the dagger board well. Don't ask. Anyone ever have to patch that up?

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